Hepatitus C

twoforfun · 07-25-2002, 01:53 AM

We are new to swinging and had some threesomes with a woman approx 3 months ago. This person recently informed me she is Hep C pos-she states it can not be contacted through sex, however the research I have seen states it can be carried in body fluids not just blood. I do know in hospitals they use total body fluid precautions with a person with Hep C. We went for our test today to make sure we are healthy, must wait for results. My spouse and I are extremely upset with this person as she's been a carrier for years and has been swinging a few years. Our question is-Does she have the right to swing without telling the people involved, as she has been with most couples in our circle of friends(however-has not disclosed this to them). I definately do not want to swing with this person or have her sleeping with my friends-however unsure how to handle the situation as she has been with the group longer than us, and is afraid no one will play with her.
Should we tell others? If I had known i would not have played with her. This has caused alot of fear and anxiety and I feel she is being selfish and morally wrong not to disclose this info. Also she has played with a lot of couples-and not always with a condom. Does anyone know how contagious this is, Can it be caught through sexual contact, and what should we do. We have other couples who want to play with us but I am leary to do so as I know they have been with this person. HELP? ADVICE?

haswa · 07-25-2002, 12:31 PM

See - http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/fact.htm
This Centers for Disease Control document considers unprotected sex a LOW risk factor for hep-C.

However, http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/fact.htm
lists unprotected sex as a primary means of virus transmission for hep-B.

***JustAskJulie*** · 07-26-2002, 03:21 PM

Talk to a dr. and get tested. It's the only way to make yourself feel better.

Quin · 07-27-2002, 01:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by haswa:
See - http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/fact.htm
This Centers for Disease Control document considers unprotected sex a LOW risk factor for hep-C.

However, http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/fact.htm
lists unprotected sex as a primary means of virus transmission for hep-B.

These links, while good, are for Hepititis C and the second is for Hepatitis B. Hepititis C is blood born while Hepatitis B is more viral and can be transmitted through many, many more ways than Hepititis C.

I asked an internist I know last night about Hepititis C and he said that while it's a blood born disease, there have been people who have transmitted the virus thru unprotected sex and he also mentioned that it's VERY VERY hard to transmit thru sex in the first place and if you add a condom, it's virtually a guarantee that it won't be transmitted. He also stated that there are people with Hepititis C who have absolutely NO idea how they have contracted the virus. Most people with Hepititis C are health care workers, veterans, and/or military (especially those that see combat). He also told me that there are over probably 6 million people infected with the Hepititis C virus so it's not a virus that is rare. It's also a piggy back virus...which he explained that it piggy backs HIV (if the person has HIV) and will attach itself to the HIV and be transmitted thru sex that way (I'm not a doctor nor a scientist and believe me he went into a lot more detail that I will ever remember). There was a scare a few years ago that Heptititis C was being transmitted thru misquoto bites...it has been proven that misquotoes (and I know I'm slaughtering those poor bug's name) can't carry Hepititis C and don't infect people by with it by biting them.

But like Julie said, the best thing for you to do is to get tested (Doc told me even the county health department where you live will test you for free or minimal charge if there's no insurance) and go from there. As far as the woman you discussed in your post...while privacy is a very important issue there comes a time when privacy and the right to privacy ends and IMHO, that's when someone jeopardizes someone else by risky actions. Her testing positive for Hepititis C and having unprotected sex is a prime example of when privacy ends to me. How to handle it, I don't have a clue. Do what your gut and your morals tell you to do. You're the one who has to live with yourself and personally, I don't think I could live with myself knowing that I know that someone is indulging in risky behavior that may transmit a virus that can potentially kill and I didn't speak up. To me, remaining silent is being an accomplice. But everyone is different, you have to find a way to deal with this that suites you and that you can live with. Good luck and I will say a little prayer for you that your test comes back negative.

VOTE FOR JULIE!! [Blowjob]

Quin

leftcoast9 · 07-27-2002, 01:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Quin:

quote:
Originally posted by haswa:
See - http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/fact.htm
This Centers for Disease Control document considers unprotected sex a LOW risk factor for hep-C.

However, http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/fact.htm
lists unprotected sex as a primary means of virus transmission for hep-B.
These links, while good, are for Hepititis C and the second is for Hepatitis B....
VOTE FOR JULIE!!

Quin

Quin, it appears to us that the links answer the question that was asked!

Quin · 07-27-2002, 02:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by leftcoast9:

quote:
Originally posted by Quin:

quote:
Originally posted by haswa:
See - http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/fact.htm
This Centers for Disease Control document considers unprotected sex a LOW risk factor for hep-C.

However, http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/fact.htm
lists unprotected sex as a primary means of virus transmission for hep-B.
These links, while good, are for Hepititis C and the second is for Hepatitis B....
VOTE FOR JULIE!!

Quin

Quin, it appears to us that the links answer the question that was asked!

Oh, I must have missed the part in those websites where it gives advice to someone on how to deal with someone who may have transmitted Hepatitis C to you and may be transmitting it to others. Didn't know the CDC had become Dear Abby. Or maybe I was misreading these lines:

quote:
Our question is-Does she have the right to swing without telling the people involved, as she has been with most couples in our circle of friends(however-has not disclosed this to them). I definately do not want to swing with this person or have her sleeping with my friends-however unsure how to handle the situation as she has been with the group longer than us, and is afraid no one will play with her.
Should we tell others?

DOH!

Suppose I should say, Welcome back!

VOTE FOR JULIE!! [Blowjob]

Quin

leftcoast9 · 07-27-2002, 03:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Quin:
[QUOTE

....How to handle it, I don't have a clue.

Quin

OK! Good advice Quin!

[ 07-27-2002, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: leftcoast9 ]

Quin · 07-27-2002, 04:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by leftcoast9:

quote:
Originally posted by Quin:
[QUOTE

....How to handle it, I don't have a clue.

Quin

OK! Good advice Quin!

[ 07-27-2002, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: leftcoast9 ]

Of course it is, Lambchop.

And as you see, I do have the clue.

VOTE FOR JULIE!! [Blowjob]

Quin

OhioCouple · 07-27-2002, 04:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by leftcoast9:

quote:
Originally posted by Quin:
[QUOTE

....How to handle it, I don't have a clue.

Quin

OK! Good advice Quin!

[ 07-27-2002, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: leftcoast9 ]

Quin,

I think you offered some very good advice. My sister has been Hepatitis B positive for over nine years. There is a major difference in hepatitis C vs B.....the C type has never been proven to be transmitted thru sexual contact where as B is generally transmitted thru sexual contact or intravenous drug usage. What they do both have in common tho is that most develop life threatening liver damage.

I do not know how to post links on this board so if someone could clue me in, I have several that might be of interest.

Quin, also....I hear that Jimmy Carter is building a home with the Habitat of Humanity here in Ohio and is looking for a few more to people to hold the hammers and drive the nails. [ROFL]

I do think tho I can find a couple of volunteers!

Lori ~ VOTE FOR JULIE TODAY!!!! [Blowjob]

Welcome Back leftcoast9! Or do you prefer Lambchop?

[ 07-27-2002, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: OhioCouple ]

[ 07-27-2002, 04:35 PM: Message edited by: OhioCouple ]

OhioCouple · 07-27-2002, 04:30 PM

Sorry all, Was laughing so hard I hit reply rather than edit! Have to run and baste the lambchops now! [ROFL]

[ 07-27-2002, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: OhioCouple ]

***JustAskJulie*** · 07-31-2002, 04:01 PM

quote:
I do not know how to post links on this board so if someone could clue me in, I have several that might be of interest.

Hey Lori,

There are two ways. You can either just paste the link directly into your post and it will show up as a link that way.

Like this:
Vote for me at http://www.blondeflasher.com/party/vote.php

Or if you want to link words to a page, you can use the "Instant UBB Code" button down below the posting box. Click that button and it will bring up a javascript window that will ask you for the URL then for a descriptive text. This option will display the text to be clicked instead of the actual URL.

Like this:
Vote for me

08-12-2002, 03:03 AM

I hope you don't mind my 2 cents worth, have just recently found this excellent site, my wife and I having fantasized for many years now about swinging, (she isnt quite ready yet), but I do have some experiance with Hepatitis C (HCV). I recieved several blood transfusions in the military 32 years ago. I became ill with hepatitis after my discharge, but back then they called HCV non A, non B hepatis. It was not until the early 80's that HCV was actually "discovered". Lab tests were not developed until the 90's. HCV is a stealth disease...you can have it and have very serious liver damage going on without knowing it! (I felt great!) However, that said, not everyone with HCV develops serious problems. It affects everyone differently, possibly because the virus comes in different forms (genotypes). I did not know until the mid 90's I had HCV, and when discovered, after a series of tests it was found it had progressed to Hepatacellular Carcinoma (HCC), or primary Liver Cancer. (no, I wasn't a heavy drinker). I recieved a liver transplant, and have done great. My wife of 24 years has been tested yearly now for several years and the tests have all been negative. Unprotected sex has not been completely ruled out but does not seem to be a serious risk factor. That is not saying don't get tested, everyone needs to be screened, whether in the lifestyle or not. It might save your life. It did mine. Oh, and btw, consider signing an organ donor card.

My apologies for the long post, I guess it was a bit more than 2 cents. rrightnow@hotmail.com if you have questions.

08-12-2002, 03:11 AM

oops, I forgot...My personal belief is that anyone that knows he/she is HCV positive should disclose that fact to anyone who may come in contact with any bodily fluids...

Uriah · 08-12-2002, 03:19 PM

A physician in my area who specializes in the treatment of Hep-C says says that it cannot be transmitted through sexual activity, unless that activity involves an exchange of blood.

JnCC · 04-18-2005, 09:04 AM

So what's the bottom line to all this? Can I get Hep C from performing "unprotected oral" on a woman who was exposed to it by her ex-husband?

If you know the answer to this, please don't hesitate to respond. I need to know before 7:00 this evening...

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07-25-2002, 01:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
twoforfun Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1 Location: Canada	Hepatitus C We are new to swinging and had some threesomes with a woman approx 3 months ago. This person recently informed me she is Hep C pos-she states it can not be contacted through sex, however the research I have seen states it can be carried in body fluids not just blood. I do know in hospitals they use total body fluid precautions with a person with Hep C. We went for our test today to make sure we are healthy, must wait for results. My spouse and I are extremely upset with this person as she's been a carrier for years and has been swinging a few years. Our question is-Does she have the right to swing without telling the people involved, as she has been with most couples in our circle of friends(however-has not disclosed this to them). I definately do not want to swing with this person or have her sleeping with my friends-however unsure how to handle the situation as she has been with the group longer than us, and is afraid no one will play with her. Should we tell others? If I had known i would not have played with her. This has caused alot of fear and anxiety and I feel she is being selfish and morally wrong not to disclose this info. Also she has played with a lot of couples-and not always with a condom. Does anyone know how contagious this is, Can it be caught through sexual contact, and what should we do. We have other couples who want to play with us but I am leary to do so as I know they have been with this person. HELP? ADVICE?

07-26-2002, 03:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
*JustAskJulie* Your Hostess Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 22,268 Location: Alabama Status: Female SLS Name:swingersboard Blog Entries: 59	Talk to a dr. and get tested. It's the only way to make yourself feel better. __________________ Julie Owner/ Admin http://www.swingersboard.com

07-27-2002, 01:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
Quin Swingers Board Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,136 Location: Ohio Status: Single Female	quote: Originally posted by haswa: See - http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/fact.htm This Centers for Disease Control document considers unprotected sex a LOW risk factor for hep-C. However, http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/fact.htm lists unprotected sex as a primary means of virus transmission for hep-B. These links, while good, are for Hepititis C and the second is for Hepatitis B. Hepititis C is blood born while Hepatitis B is more viral and can be transmitted through many, many more ways than Hepititis C. I asked an internist I know last night about Hepititis C and he said that while it's a blood born disease, there have been people who have transmitted the virus thru unprotected sex and he also mentioned that it's VERY VERY hard to transmit thru sex in the first place and if you add a condom, it's virtually a guarantee that it won't be transmitted. He also stated that there are people with Hepititis C who have absolutely NO idea how they have contracted the virus. Most people with Hepititis C are health care workers, veterans, and/or military (especially those that see combat). He also told me that there are over probably 6 million people infected with the Hepititis C virus so it's not a virus that is rare. It's also a piggy back virus...which he explained that it piggy backs HIV (if the person has HIV) and will attach itself to the HIV and be transmitted thru sex that way (I'm not a doctor nor a scientist and believe me he went into a lot more detail that I will ever remember). There was a scare a few years ago that Heptititis C was being transmitted thru misquoto bites...it has been proven that misquotoes (and I know I'm slaughtering those poor bug's name) can't carry Hepititis C and don't infect people by with it by biting them. But like Julie said, the best thing for you to do is to get tested (Doc told me even the county health department where you live will test you for free or minimal charge if there's no insurance) and go from there. As far as the woman you discussed in your post...while privacy is a very important issue there comes a time when privacy and the right to privacy ends and IMHO, that's when someone jeopardizes someone else by risky actions. Her testing positive for Hepititis C and having unprotected sex is a prime example of when privacy ends to me. How to handle it, I don't have a clue. Do what your gut and your morals tell you to do. You're the one who has to live with yourself and personally, I don't think I could live with myself knowing that I know that someone is indulging in risky behavior that may transmit a virus that can potentially kill and I didn't speak up. To me, remaining silent is being an accomplice. But everyone is different, you have to find a way to deal with this that suites you and that you can live with. Good luck and I will say a little prayer for you that your test comes back negative. VOTE FOR JULIE!! Quin __________________ One thing about me is that I'm consistant in my behavior, my thoughts, and my posting. I don't sell out or change for any reason outside of my own self wanting to. What you see is what you get: today, tomorrow and every day after that.

07-27-2002, 01:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
leftcoast9 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2 Location: left coast	quote: Originally posted by Quin: quote: Originally posted by haswa: See - http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/fact.htm This Centers for Disease Control document considers unprotected sex a LOW risk factor for hep-C. However, http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/fact.htm lists unprotected sex as a primary means of virus transmission for hep-B. These links, while good, are for Hepititis C and the second is for Hepatitis B.... VOTE FOR JULIE!! Quin Quin, it appears to us that the links answer the question that was asked!

07-25-2002, 12:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
haswa Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 8 Location: D.C., NYC, & San Diego Status: couple	See - http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/fact.htm This Centers for Disease Control document considers unprotected sex a LOW risk factor for hep-C. However, http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/fact.htm lists unprotected sex as a primary means of virus transmission for hep-B.

07-27-2002, 02:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
Quin Swingers Board Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,136 Location: Ohio Status: Single Female	quote: Originally posted by leftcoast9: quote: Originally posted by Quin: quote: Originally posted by haswa: See - http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/c/fact.htm This Centers for Disease Control document considers unprotected sex a LOW risk factor for hep-C. However, http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/fact.htm lists unprotected sex as a primary means of virus transmission for hep-B. These links, while good, are for Hepititis C and the second is for Hepatitis B.... VOTE FOR JULIE!! Quin Quin, it appears to us that the links answer the question that was asked! Oh, I must have missed the part in those websites where it gives advice to someone on how to deal with someone who may have transmitted Hepatitis C to you and may be transmitting it to others. Didn't know the CDC had become Dear Abby. Or maybe I was misreading these lines: quote: Our question is-Does she have the right to swing without telling the people involved, as she has been with most couples in our circle of friends(however-has not disclosed this to them). I definately do not want to swing with this person or have her sleeping with my friends-however unsure how to handle the situation as she has been with the group longer than us, and is afraid no one will play with her. Should we tell others? DOH! Suppose I should say, Welcome back! VOTE FOR JULIE!! Quin __________________ One thing about me is that I'm consistant in my behavior, my thoughts, and my posting. I don't sell out or change for any reason outside of my own self wanting to. What you see is what you get: today, tomorrow and every day after that.

07-27-2002, 03:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
leftcoast9 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2 Location: left coast	quote: Originally posted by Quin: [QUOTE ....How to handle it, I don't have a clue. Quin OK! Good advice Quin! [ 07-27-2002, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: leftcoast9 ]

07-27-2002, 04:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
Quin Swingers Board Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,136 Location: Ohio Status: Single Female	quote: Originally posted by leftcoast9: quote: Originally posted by Quin: [QUOTE ....How to handle it, I don't have a clue. Quin OK! Good advice Quin! <small>[ 07-27-2002, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: leftcoast9 ]</small> Of course it is, Lambchop. And as you see, I do have the clue. VOTE FOR JULIE!! Quin __________________ One thing about me is that I'm consistant in my behavior, my thoughts, and my posting. I don't sell out or change for any reason outside of my own self wanting to. What you see is what you get: today, tomorrow and every day after that.

07-27-2002, 04:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
OhioCouple Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,616 Location: Ohio Status: Married Female	quote: Originally posted by leftcoast9: quote: Originally posted by Quin: [QUOTE ....How to handle it, I don't have a clue. Quin OK! Good advice Quin! <small>[ 07-27-2002, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: leftcoast9 ]</small> Quin, I think you offered some very good advice. My sister has been Hepatitis B positive for over nine years. There is a major difference in hepatitis C vs B.....the C type has never been proven to be transmitted thru sexual contact where as B is generally transmitted thru sexual contact or intravenous drug usage. What they do both have in common tho is that most develop life threatening liver damage. I do not know how to post links on this board so if someone could clue me in, I have several that might be of interest. Quin, also....I hear that Jimmy Carter is building a home with the Habitat of Humanity here in Ohio and is looking for a few more to people to hold the hammers and drive the nails. I do think tho I can find a couple of volunteers! Lori ~ VOTE FOR JULIE TODAY!!!! Welcome Back leftcoast9! Or do you prefer Lambchop? <small>[ 07-27-2002, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: OhioCouple ]</small> [ 07-27-2002, 04:35 PM: Message edited by: OhioCouple ] __________________ Remember that human beings are complicated creatures. We like our bedtime routines but dislike routine in our bed times. - Sallie Foley, M.S.W.

07-27-2002, 04:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
OhioCouple Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,616 Location: Ohio Status: Married Female	Sorry all, Was laughing so hard I hit reply rather than edit! Have to run and baste the lambchops now! [ 07-27-2002, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: OhioCouple ] __________________ Remember that human beings are complicated creatures. We like our bedtime routines but dislike routine in our bed times. - Sallie Foley, M.S.W.

07-31-2002, 04:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
*JustAskJulie* Your Hostess Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 22,268 Location: Alabama Status: Female SLS Name:swingersboard Blog Entries: 59	quote: I do not know how to post links on this board so if someone could clue me in, I have several that might be of interest. Hey Lori, There are two ways. You can either just paste the link directly into your post and it will show up as a link that way. Like this: Vote for me at http://www.blondeflasher.com/party/vote.php Or if you want to link words to a page, you can use the "Instant UBB Code" button down below the posting box. Click that button and it will bring up a javascript window that will ask you for the URL then for a descriptive text. This option will display the text to be clicked instead of the actual URL. Like this: Vote for me __________________ Julie Owner/ Admin http://www.swingersboard.com

08-12-2002, 03:03 AM	#12 (permalink)
<xplant> Posts: n/a	I hope you don't mind my 2 cents worth, have just recently found this excellent site, my wife and I having fantasized for many years now about swinging, (she isnt quite ready yet), but I do have some experiance with Hepatitis C (HCV). I recieved several blood transfusions in the military 32 years ago. I became ill with hepatitis after my discharge, but back then they called HCV non A, non B hepatis. It was not until the early 80's that HCV was actually "discovered". Lab tests were not developed until the 90's. HCV is a stealth disease...you can have it and have very serious liver damage going on without knowing it! (I felt great!) However, that said, not everyone with HCV develops serious problems. It affects everyone differently, possibly because the virus comes in different forms (genotypes). I did not know until the mid 90's I had HCV, and when discovered, after a series of tests it was found it had progressed to Hepatacellular Carcinoma (HCC), or primary Liver Cancer. (no, I wasn't a heavy drinker). I recieved a liver transplant, and have done great. My wife of 24 years has been tested yearly now for several years and the tests have all been negative. Unprotected sex has not been completely ruled out but does not seem to be a serious risk factor. That is not saying don't get tested, everyone needs to be screened, whether in the lifestyle or not. It might save your life. It did mine. Oh, and btw, consider signing an organ donor card. My apologies for the long post, I guess it was a bit more than 2 cents. rrightnow@hotmail.com if you have questions.

08-12-2002, 03:11 AM	#13 (permalink)
<xplant> Posts: n/a	oops, I forgot...My personal belief is that anyone that knows he/she is HCV positive should disclose that fact to anyone who may come in contact with any bodily fluids...

08-12-2002, 03:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
Uriah Active Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 37 Location: Memphis, TN	A physician in my area who specializes in the treatment of Hep-C says says that it cannot be transmitted through sexual activity, unless that activity involves an exchange of blood.

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