My first experience with jealousy.

[Mr. Truelove]

Well everyone I have a long post to make, I apologize for it being so long, but occasionally they have to be made. And I'm thankful to have a place like this board to get it off my chest. With so few people to talk to about situations it really helps, and I'm looking forward to hearing what you all have to say.

Recently I have my first case of my wife getting jealous of another woman and it really blindsided me. My wife and I have been honest with each other with even the littlest of things. I'm going to go into quite a bit of detail here so there is a good picture of things.

It all started a month/month and a half ago when we first started chatting with another couple. I was really into "Jane" from the get go. We really hit it off. I also got along well with "John" her husband. My wife had seen their profile and agreed they were someone we would like to meet. They had to drive quite a while to come to our city, but were willing because they like going to Club Utopia anyway. Because I had such a good feel about the couple I didn't mind offering up hosting them at our house, and the discussion turned to the point where we thought we would even make a weekend of it. And if we didn't hit it off, we would just end up with a vanilla weekend at our house.

During the weeks leading up to meeting we really wanted to get some chatting done so we would know each other a bit better before the weekend arrived. Our schedules for chatting seemed to work best late at night after the young kids were in bed, with the exception of Mrs. Truelove, she likes to go to bed rather early at 10pm. So basically I was chatting every other night or so to both the male and female half of the other couple, while my wife was chatting maybe once a week. I even talked on the phone with Jane twice which was nice.

Recently we had been having some misfortune in the swinging community and it was really nice for me to have a strong connection with another couple. I was actually quite overwhelmed.

During this time I would ask Mrs. Truelove if it was okay the way we were chatting and she said it was fine. And we were reading all the logs of the chats each of us had the next day anyway. We have done this with other couples in the past and it hasn't been much of a problem.

We all met on a Friday at our house and sat around and chatted a bit. Went out to dinner, talked, went to a local adult shop and shopped for club outfits, and went to a hockey game. During which all signs were pointing that things were going really well. I talked to Mrs. Truelove on the side a few times to make sure she was okay with the other guy and that she was okay with play, and she said she was.

We get back to our place and get into the hot tub and are really enjoying ourselves. At one point I look over and see Mrs. Truelove with John and they are kissing and hands are under the water. This isn't uncommon for Mrs. Truelove to make a move first because I am quite shy. After seeing her with him, I start making out with Jane. Things are getting really hot and I'm having a lot of fun. I keep peeking over to Mrs. Truelove and she's getting into John as well. At one point Jane is sitting on my lap and we are almost touching. (I later found out this was a point Mrs. Truelove had a little issue with, just because it made her mind drift to the idea we were doing something we weren't) We all discussed we would use protection, and nothing happened there, but it was definitely suggestive that we were doing more than we should even if it was actually just teasing each other. At one point I look over and see Mrs. Truelove going down on John as he is in the hot tub. And I suggest that Jane go over and help them two out. After all, it's kind of fun to fulfill some fantasies. She does for a short bit, but then comes back to me. All this is seeming to go well, and we decide to move it inside. So the men get out of the hot tub, and Jane suggests to Mrs. Truelove that they tease us and make out. Which they do for a short time.

Inside we go to the bed room and still pair off with each others partners. I'm really into her, she is really into me, and my wife and John are doing a bit of oral. Things are going great. We are being really loud. I am making comments to turn on Jane by saying she is so hot, and that I am really attracted to her. Which is the truth. I get a condom on, but I am just having a bit of trouble cumming with it on. Not a problem, as I don't mind finishing with Mrs. Truelove at all. I am surprised to find out that Mrs. Truelove came twice from oral, which she has never done before and rarely does she ever cum twice anyway! So now that Jane and I are all wore out. I am watching Mrs. Truelove and she is acting like she is tired and wants to be done. So we all roll over and lay on the bed a while, and Mrs. Truelove is pinching my side. This is the only point the whole weekend where I actually accurately read her mind and figure out she is ready for alone time.

John and Jane go into the room we had prepared, and Mrs. Truelove and I are in are bed alone. Mrs. Truelove tells me she was getting a little bit jealous of me and Jane, and that I was being too vocal. She says it's okay, but that she wants me. Obviously feeling like we needed to reconnect a bit. So we make love and go to sleep.

The next morning we wake up and talk a little before we go out to meet our friends. Mrs. Truelove states that she had a little jealous, but is okay. Just that I need to pay more attention to her during play tonight, I tell her that we can stop at this point if she wants. She says she is fine. So we spend the day shopping, dinner, and get ready to go to the club.

At the club I notice Mrs. Truelove is enjoying the alcohol a bit more than normal. It doesn't surprise me that she is trying to just loosen up a little, and I am okay with that. She starts drinking a bit more and I am the one getting her drinks so I start putting straight soda into it to cut her off. She is plenty loosened up at this point anyway. At one point I check to see if she is still fine with play and she says she is. We're flirting and dancing and having fun and we decide to get a room. In the room things are going fine, and I keep checking with Mrs. Truelove to make sure. I'm checking in on her frequently and she looks to be enjoying herself. And I am really having fun with Jane. Really the most fun I've had with a playmate so far. Still I can't finish, but that is fine, Mrs. Truelove didn't either. So we go back to our own partners and I can kind of tell Mrs. Truelove was still having some issues. She is whispering things like, I really need you. I really want you. And so I am kind of gentle and we make love. Usually we don't do that in a play setting, usually we would be a little rough and it'd be more like sex. But she was definitely wanting us to be intimate.

After the play is over we go out to a local restaurant to get some food and Mrs. Truelove is in a sleepy/drunk state and is almost out of it the whole time. Doesn't surprise any of us with how much she drank and the workout we all had that she was really intensifying the alcohol.

The next morning around 10am, Mrs. Truelove and I get up, and Mrs. Truelove acting hung over. Which she was. We're all sitting around for an hour or so and Mrs. Truelove wants to lay back down in bed. For the next hour and half or so the other three of us are chatting and I keep checking on Mrs. Truelove bringing her water. I ask if she is okay and she says she is just hung over.

Eventually around 1pm I come in the room and I ask her if she is still having issues and she is crying a bit. Says she was jealous the whole weekend and doesn't want to come down and see them anymore. I am still not really clear on how upset she is. Just know that she isn't handling it well. I'm trying not to cause alarm with the couple and they still need to shower, so I am kind of juggling what I think might be a problem upstairs with not trying to offend guests. So I really don't force the issue of getting them out of the house. They do have a long drive ahead of them, and I am not aware that Mrs. Truelove is having that big of a meltdown yet.

After they leave around 3pm or so I go up to Mrs. Truelove and now I am made aware that she has actually been having issues since we'd been chatting the first week in. She is upset I didn't ask them to leave sooner, she had been imagining all the things we could have been doing downstairs, and her imagination really went badly. She didn't like that I hit it off so well with Jane, and didn't like I was chatting without her being there all those weeks before. She mentioned one point where I even neglected tucking her into bed, and dismissively said goodnight. Mrs. Truelove tells me she didn't want to get to know Jane because the more she got to know her the more she thought I was more of a match with her than I was with Mrs. Truelove.

I am so shocked! Never has Mrs. Truelove ever been less than honest with me before, and I took all her saying it's fine at face value. Never once did I think that she would go along with the whole thing to make me happy. Apparently because I hadn't been connecting with anyone, and Mrs. Truelove say how happy I was to have met a woman that I did connect with, that she went along with it even though she was feeling jealous.

Basically after a week of talking it over, we've come to the following points that we agree on:

-Mrs. Truelove felt insecure, and inferior to Jane. My comments in bed with Jane really hurt Mrs. Truelove. Especially when I said "I was so attracted to you." to Jane. She thought Jane was someone that I would have wished to have found in life in the sense of a wife. This isn't accurate at all, and it's something I am having a hard time dealing with. Yes I connected very well with Jane, but I have no desire to replace my wife. And I can't make her feel more secure. I can tell her she is beautiful and smart all day long, but unless she accepts it, it's going to be there.

-Mrs. Truelove didn't like the lack of interest in girl girl play with Jane. And thought Jane didn't take a sexual interest in her. And maybe even though Jane didn't like her. I didn't realize how important this aspect was to her. It is something I am not that interested in watching. But it made Mrs. Truelove question her attractiveness. Which fed into her feeling insecure.

-I didn't recognize that I was bothering my wife with the late night chatting and a couple phone calls. I've been with her for 15 years now and I should have been able to better judge the things she would have been uncomfortable with. Letting her go to bed alone was a huge mistake on my part as I already knew she didn't like me doing it even when I wasn't chatting. She is usually okay with me staying up late even though she doesn't like it. But me up late chatting was a whole new level of uncomfortable. I was neglecting her and I didn't notice.

-Mrs. Truelove was dishonest. Even if she did it out of caring for me she did it. We've since discussed how important it is to communicate truthfully no matter what. Although this point is glaringly obvious now.

-When I saw signs at the club of her drinking, I should have found a private place for Mrs. Truelove and I to have a talk. I should have noticed the unusual and investigated. I'm going to try to not let myself get so into a woman that I neglect paying attention to my wife.

-Mrs. Truelove and I both felt a pressure to play. Even though absolutely not pressured by the other couple, we had a self instilled pressure to play. Not a problem for me, but a problem for Mrs. Truelove for sure. She didn't feel like she could call off play without it being an issue for me. I wouldn't have had a issue with no play, but the implied play was there because we have always talked about it that way. We are more open to the idea of going slow now.

-Mrs. Truelove was way emotional as her cycle was to start the following Tuesday. She is apparently much more emotional the weekend before she starts and it was very obvious after the fact. We've agreed that play that weekend is not a wise idea anymore.

-having a couple over an entire weekend for the first meet was a mistake. When things went wrong it didn't give us the downtime we needed to reconnect and discuss things. While we had little time here and there, it wasn't enough. And it allowed small feelings to snowball into huge feelings.

So the question is where to go from here. I would be so happy to spend another weekend with the other couple, but I don't see that ever happening with the trauma Mrs. Truelove went through with the jealousy. She admits to having fun at certain points, but the emotions that she had at the time are overwhelming her still.

She did agree to talk to the other couple from time to time and see where things go. Which is more than I ever expected from her after seeing how she was taking it all. We both agree the other couple was nothing less than really great. But don't know if she can't overcome the jealousy issue.

We made the first step of contacting the other couple and sharing some photos that were taken. I was surprised that Mrs. Truelove even wanted to look at them, but she did okay with that. But we said we'd take that really slow and just try to be friends. I did find out, honestly after the whole thing that Mrs. Truelove was indeed attracted to them. But that the jealously kind of got in the way of things.

I guess I am doing a few things here. Asking for comments. Similar stories. Helpful advice. Or just plain sharing the experience to get a little tension off my chest. I'm really leaning on the board a bit.

It's the first problem that I can call a serious one. And it really took me off guard. I do feel closer to Mrs. Truelove now. And I think there is a better understanding for her now that I would never leave her for anyone, and that my love for her is undying.

One last comment here. If the couple that we shared this experience with happens to read it. I really hope you understand that you two were nothing more than great. And we hope you don't think by any of this, that there was any fault to placed on your shoulders, because there wasn't.

[ebsfgncu]

The biggest thing I get out of reading this post is that you've discussed all the problems that arose with the situation, except it was done after the fact and after the drama. However that being said, you don't always know what the problems are until you go through them. We've all been there. You go through a situation, discuss it with your spouse and go from there. Keep the line of communications WAY open or else you'll run into more of these issues in the future.

Best of luck in your fun,
Dawn

[WildMiCouple]

Hey Mr Truelove, a couple things stuck out at me in your discription of what went on. First is your attraction with your playmate.

Originally Posted by Mr. Truelove

I was actually quite overwhelmed.
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We are being really loud. I am making comments to turn on Jane by saying she is so hot, and that I am really attracted to her. Which is the truth.

It's very understandable that Mrs Truelove would pick upon this. Even more so that you mentioned it had never happened before. So, she was obviously picking up on your excitement and this was something very foriegn to her.

The second thing I thought about you answered. Even before I read it, I was thinking perhaps she was close to her cycle. I know how that really magnifies Tammy's emotions, so I'm betting that played a part in her overwhelming emotions too.

And last was the whole weekend thing. I personally wouldn't invite a couple over for the weekend that we at least hadn't met in person prior. Just too much could go wrong if things don't work out. I'm guessing that Mrs Truelove wouldn't have been as jealous if you had just had one evening out with them. It would have been easier for you two to talk the next day after playing if they hadn't still been there.

It's probably just gonna take some time for her jealousy issues to subside. Perhaps a short break is needed to regroup and get the old feelings back. And next time, if I were you, I'd keep my emotions a little more subdude

Best of luck to you both.

Brett

[DigginIt]

I really do not have any advice. You have been doing this much longer than I have but I wanted to say thank you very much for sharing.

There were a few things in there that allowed me to reflect on our swinging as mental notes to take forward into our adventures. We have not had any jealousy yet but I can see how a couple subtle things could easily compound into something big.

I appreciate you posting this.

[realcplub2]

Thank you for sharing the details Mr truelove, But that having been said, I need to point out the fact that after all of the experience in the world we still run into the green eyed monster.. which can be very deceptive as it was in your case.. Its time to take it back to the basics.

The very first thing that needs to be addressed between you and your misses, is the fact that honesty between you and her.. She after the fact said she was uncomfortable from the near beginning.. How much heart ache would have been avoided if she has said so, when she felt it?

Remember? Regardless of how into them you or she may be, when the other say wait a minute.. everyone stops. Her not being able to get to know them on her own and relying on chat logs is VERY different than actually clearing the air on her own.

Next key issue relates back to the putting a stop to everything.. At any point, she should have spoken up.. FRIDAY night.. at dinner, In the Hot Tub, Where ever she felt like the odd person out. Saturday night never would/should have happend if she had said something FRIDAY.

Now can I ask a question that might not have come to mind? Is it possible she was feeling a bit of guilt because John was able to get her off, twice.. but from your own admission Jane didnt get you off, and you expected to finish with Mrs Truelove? With all the mixed emotions, its within the realm of possiblity, isnt it?

Seriously, its time to sit and talk about the whole thing again, like a pair of newbies, and take it from there.. How does she feel about even attempting to continue forward with these other people?

If thats the route You want to take, and Mrs Truelove agrees, change how you approach this, allow HER to proceed going forward.

I first have to start off by saying that I think you guys are on the right track to recovery. MrVan and I have had some similar situations and as I read your post I am reminded of times where each of us was "jealous" of a relationship we created with the other couple. Our 1st experience was when we 1st got into the LS and MrVan was having issues with my communication with the other husband. The other husband and I talked via chat almost every day and numerous times throughout the day. There were even times that we talked via phone whereas MrVan did not have that with the other wife. He started to feel "jealous" of us and I realized I was hurting him. Even during play time with this couple I did things with the husband that MrVan could not get me to do and well that was a big let down for MrVan. The biggest key to our success and getting through this situation was COMMUNICATION and I have to say that you guys seem to be doing that.

Now, I am in the same situation and have had some issues with MrVan and a wife of a couple that we have talked about playing with. I had the same feelings that MrsTrueLove is feeling and I think the best thing is to talk things out, be honest with each other and if she is not ready to get involved with them just yet then take babysteps. But respect her decision if she says she does not want to play with them again. But MrsTrueLove, if you are having these feelings and they do not let up be honest with MrTrueLove and do not force yourself to have a play session for him. You basically are then taking one for the team when you obviously are not comfortable.

I think like others have said, the biggest problem (don't want to say a mistake) was having them stay the entire weekend. We do not do that unless we have gotten to know the other couple well or have had play sessions with them prior to where we know both are comfortable. I would say in the future do not make a weekend of it unless you have had the chance to meet the other couple and possibly have a play session under your belt first.

I wish you both the best in this situation! Just keep doing what your doing which is communicate and be honest with each other. Kuddos to you Mr and MrsTrueLove for taking a look back and finding out where or what went wrong and what to do in the future!

Hugs and kisses

MrsVan

[Additude]

Mr. Truelove,

I think you need to be commended for actions above and beyond the call of duty. Seriously.

Mrs. Truelove needs to be proud of you. Your display of loyality, truthfullness, faithfullness and undenied love for your wife is truly apparent and needs to be absolutely appreciated.

I have more to say, but I'll bite my tongue.

[fun4Ds]

A wise man told me once "An error doesn't become a mistake, until we refuse to correct it" I know I wear it out sometimes with friends, but there is so much truth in that for me personally. Not only truth, but understanding, acceptance and even forgiveness sometimes. Not only in myself, but toward others as well.

Have you made error's ? Yes, un-intentional errors perhaps, but a mistake ? No... Neither of you have !

Have we experienced Jealousy ? Yes, but its early and I should consult my better half Mrsfun, before divulging anything more on her behalf. I can't speak for Mrsfun on this issue now so this is entirely my thoughts, at least for now. You should as well know we spent a great deal of time with the single females, many of whom I just couldn't get a connection on a personal level. I'll digress on that for now, but I can assure you there became a time on a personal level as a man, I had questions.

Did I chat with females and get/feel a connection. Oh hell yes ! I hate to admit it sometimes, but I'm just not the guy to have what I believe to be "great sex" without making that connection. Even with Mrsfuns female playmates sometimes it just wasn't there for ME. Those chats meant allot to me personally when there was distance. Sometimes they were erotically HOT, and some just gave me comfort before meeting someone. When we did meet WOW is all I can say... It left my reservations at the door... Its been our discussions many of times including a few Jealous feelings. Like you guys, Mrsfun reads Everything I type. I think what you did chatting because of the distance, you found a connection, in your own way... Should we be in denial of that or face it for what it is ? I think this woman gave you excitement, WITH TRUST ! A special woman indeed to know. Does that trust extend to Mrs Truelove ? If not, I'll bet it could....

The thing is for us, there are huddles in life and swinging was and always be a part of our life now. Some became road blocks, but only if we let them. We like to take time and evaluate our hurdles now. Some, even as we found, were stumbling blocks, especially when we didn't see them coming, it does happen....

My question to you is, does Mrs Truelove understand you as well ? I see your understanding or trying to understand her and I see that as admirable.

But I have to question you as I would myself. I would want to know about myself and why or what I experienced and then, I would need Mrsfun to understand whats important to ME and why... Its Important. Saying I shouldn't have done that and never doing it again might work in some situations. But would you be denying yourself something ? Something you enjoyed, and still be non-threatening to your undying love for one another ?

We can't always be selfless to our partners as much as we would like too. Do you understand yourself, and why this happened. I think this other female gave you something you haven't experienced before, perhaps neither Mrs Truelove or you have.

I think, this is a good way and time to discover new boundaries and limits unknown before. A better understanding for everyone. I can't say Mrs Truelove's feelings aren't valid, they are valid ! But, this new woman/couple gave you a comfort that no other may have and I cant find blame on your behalf, for that.... There were women I couldn't get off with when we started. We found out together, who I could get off with.... and more importantly, why.

[Alura]

I think y'all are well on the way to working this thing out. You're doing it just right.

The only time I remember being jealous was once when three couples were sitting on the floor in front of our fireplace and Mr. Playmate started stroking Laura's hair lovingly. It really lit my fear fuse. Nobody ever knew how it had affected me, and once alone, Laura and I discussed it and worked it out.

Good luck to you two.

By the way, the playcouple sound like the kind of folks we'd all like to know and be friends with.

Alura

[bbarnsworth]

Originally Posted by Mr. Truelove

Yes I connected very well with Jane, but I have no desire to replace my wife. And I can't make her feel more secure. I can tell her she is beautiful and smart all day long, but unless she accepts it, it's going to be there.

You can't overcome this because it is not yours to overcome. All you can do is be there 100% for your wife. Swinging is never, ever about replacing a spouse. If it even hints of that, there's a problem.

Originally Posted by Mr. Truelove

I was neglecting her and I didn't notice.

I do as you do, frequently checking in with my wife in regards to swinging, whether we're out on a date or just at home. I'm constantly keeping her in the loop (she prefers me to do all the 'computer stuff'), and constantly making sure that anything I do online in regards to swinging is ok with her. It's all you can do. It's up to your spouse to maintain the other side of that; 100% open, honest communication.

Yes, you did miss some warning signs. The drinking especially should have set you off. Someone drinking heavier than normal almost always has a reason.

Originally Posted by Mr. Truelove

Mrs. Truelove was dishonest. Even if she did it out of caring for me she did it. We've since discussed how important it is to communicate truthfully no matter what. Although this point is glaringly obvious now.

Sometimes it takes experience to learn something. She took one for the home team. Yes, she had some fun, but she also had a terrible experience because she didn't want this to go forward, and let it go forward anyway. This should be a very, very strong lesson to both of you. If you're not comfortable with going ahead with something, don't. The only time you can't say no is after something has happened. She's saying no after it happened. You can say no at any time before, and she should have.

But saying that makes it sound like it's all her fault. It isn't. She MUST feel empowered to say no when she feels the need to say no. My wife and I have a rule that either of us can pull the plug at any time, for any reason, and no questions are asked until we are out of the situation and have some unfettered alone time, away from the club or circumstance. It is possible your wife did not feel empowered to say no. If someone says no, there should be no negative consequence in the later discussion either. It's a moment to move forward not back.

Originally Posted by Mr. Truelove

having a couple over an entire weekend for the first meet was a mistake. When things went wrong it didn't give us the downtime we needed to reconnect and discuss things. While we had little time here and there, it wasn't enough. And it allowed small feelings to snowball into huge feelings.

Yes. When I first read that I was astonished. A brand new couple for you, and you're meeting at your home? I was very surprised at that. We've been swingers for a year and a half now. We've had many enjoyable experiences. But not one of our swing partners has ever been to our home. It's likely to remain that way unless one or both of us find consistent, long term swing partners.

Originally Posted by Mr. Truelove

So the question is where to go from here. I would be so happy to spend another weekend with the other couple, but I don't see that ever happening with the trauma Mrs. Truelove went through with the jealousy.

I think it can happen again. More below.

Originally Posted by Mr. Truelove

She did agree to talk to the other couple from time to time and see where things go. Which is more than I ever expected from her after seeing how she was taking it all. We both agree the other couple was nothing less than really great. But don't know if she can't overcome the jealousy issue.

Neither does she. It's entirely up to her. You both can discuss it, and should, at many opportunities. The best way to overcome the jealousy issues is for your wife to be in the driver's seat, so to speak, for the next encounter with this couple. Do not have the couple over to your house again (at least for now). Any play time is away from home. This will give your wife a place to step back to, to feel secure. Contrast; a new woman is suddenly in your wife's home, in her face (literally) and you're having fantastic sex with her, telling her how great she is, how attracted to her you are, etc. That's a lot to swallow, awfully quickly.

Originally Posted by Mr. Truelove

I guess I am doing a few things here. Asking for comments. Similar stories. Helpful advice. Or just plain sharing the experience to get a little tension off my chest. I'm really leaning on the board a bit.

I think this is one of the best things about the board!

Originally Posted by Mr. Truelove

It's the first problem that I can call a serious one. And it really took me off guard. I do feel closer to Mrs. Truelove now. And I think there is a better understanding for her now that I would never leave her for anyone, and that my love for her is undying.

She may understand this from a logical perspective, but the emotional perspective may take some time to catch up. Emotions and logic are not the same, and rarely communicate to one another in the same brain

[Mrs. Truelove]

Thank you so much for all the advice and comments bbarnsworth.

Mrs. Truelove

[Mrs. Truelove]

I have truly realized what I did was wrong and I should have spoken up earlier. For that I am really upset with myself. I really think the other couple is great, and there wasn't anything wrong with what they did or didn't do.

I just don't know how to overcome this.

Mrs. Truelove

[ginger07]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Truelove

I have truly realized what I did was wrong and I should have spoken up earlier. For that I am really upset with myself. I really think the other couple is great, and there wasn't anything wrong with what they did or didn't do.

I just don't know how to overcome this.

Mrs. Truelove

I can really relate...we went through an encounter where I should have said spoken up. I realized I can't expect my hubby to be a mind reader. Experiencing jealousy feelings this week myself and trying to deal with them...I suggest keep communicating with your hubby and take a bit of breather...

[lustylearning]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Truelove

I have truly realized what I did was wrong and I should have spoken up earlier. For that I am really upset with myself. I really think the other couple is great, and there wasn't anything wrong with what they did or didn't do.

I just don't know how to overcome this.

Mrs. Truelove

Sometimes we feel uneasy about things, and we say to ourselves, "I know this is illogical. I'll get over it." But sometimes it takes more than logic. Don't feel bad for that. Jealousy is nature's way of telling you to stop and pay attention to why you're feeling the way you're feeling. Working through it can take time. I feel for you. It sounds like you were trying desperately to make your hubby happy. Don't forget you're feelings are equally important, whether or not they're logical. That thought may help you speak up more quickly.

[lovinher]

I have nothing to add that hasn't already been said. But over the last few years of reading posts from regulars such as the both of you, you get a feel of what kind of person are behind those posts. That being said, I have no doubt you guys will get through this just fine as long as something was learned from it.