How to fit a third lady for swing play and sexual intercourse into our foursome?

[NealnAnji]

We are two couples (us two and Su/Mike) who have been exchanging partners for sexual play, full-swap, including sexual intercourse with the other's wife/hubby for quite a few years. Both wives (Anji and Su) and the husbands have been friends with another lady by name Renee and her hubby Al.

We have a special and long-time social and sexual relationship of many years with Su and Mike. It was many years ago that Su talked the two of us into swapping partners, playing and having sex with (fucking) each other's mate. This was when both couples had been married about 6-8 years. It was an awesome experience to watch Mike eat A's psussy and then sink his dick into her pussy and fuck her to a mindblowing orgasm. Likewise, that night Su and I (she sucked my cock, I ate her pussy) fucked in the same room and enjoyed awesome orgasms. We were fucking without condoms to enhance sexual pleasure between wives and hubbies and their swap mates. This close relationship between us two couples has continued and we often swap mates and fuck each other's partner sometimes in a foursome and many times in a threesome, Mike fucking Anji, me fucking Su when either hubby is away. This works great since all four cannot always travel and be together, but we all can have great sex with the other's mate, no holds barred.

Somehow Renee has gotten wind of our sexcapades with Mike/Su and our fuck sessions and mindblowing orgasms. Both me and Mike would love to get into Renee's panties, play with her, sink our dicks in her pussy, and fuck her to mind-blowing orgams. The fly in the ointment is that ladies do not care to swap mates with Renee and Al. Neither one would want Al's dick in their pussies. And to top it all Renee and Al are not on very good terms as a couple and have been sleeping in separate rooms-no sex or fucking for Renee for years. Renee is a sweet lady, and we guys would love to pleasure and fuck her. Renee has discreetly asked to join us four in for sex, asked why she is not invited and if her pussy is not "good enough" for our dicks. She does have the habit of getting a little obnoxious at times. All the same she is a great woman at heart.

If two of us guys and the ladies invite Renee into a 3some or 4some for play and sex and fuck her, she will be cuckolding her hubby, and we all are complicit in her misstep.

We are looking for suggestions as to how to handle this conundrum without hurting Renee's feelings. She is a great loving and caring friend in all other respects. Her desire for sexual intercourse with another guy/s is palpable and understandable. We do want to help her in any way we can.

[sexcupid]

Well in a nutshell...leave Renee alone. It has nothing to do with how badly you or the other man want to get in her panties, if her pussy is "good enough", or whatever other excuse you want to come up with...her house is not in order, why add to that?

Someone has obviously not been particularly discreet if your mutual friend has gotten wind of what it is the four of you get up to.

Helping Renee in this case would be to leave her alone and let her get her relationship/life in order before adding any extracurricular activities. That is the excuse you can use...because saying something like "Well Mike and I would love to rip your clothes off and fuck you into oblivion...but Su and Anji wouldn't touch your hubby with a 40 foot pole..." will hurt feelings.

Why would you want to cause drama with a friend (since you state that Al and Renee are friends)? Would you really think that someone who would fuck your wife behind your back (regardless of what else is happening in their relationship...and no one but the participants really knows what goes on behind closed doors) is a friend?

[ncmd_couple]

Well Neal, she wouldn't be cuckolding her husband if he doesn't know about what is going on. That would be cheating on him.

I am also curious about how she "got wind" of your activities.

But the bottom lines is that if you do bring her into your play time, without her husbands knowledge and consent, they you are setting yourself up for a whole lot of drama. Ugly drama!

S

[LFM2]

We're third in line wondering who's been speaking out of turn to Renee?!?

Have to agree with the above. Gotta stop thinking with your little head and start thinking with the big one. Leave her alone unless you're the type of couple that likes drama.

[Edison Carter]

Susan here-- I have said this before, cheating sex is the worst form of sexual expression. It typically ends badly and ugly. The best thing is to leave her alone. If she pursues further you simply explain that sex is not going to happen. If you try and make this work, here's what will happen: To get this woman, who you think that you want, you will end up destroying the very good thing that you have. Moreover, it will be irrevocable.

[realcplub2]

Hello and welcome to the different take on this post, lol

Since the post was written with the take that you were looking for vaildation and a way to go ahead with this, here it is.. Ideally your foursome should discuss this first before approaching Renee. It would seem that since there has been a discussion about playing with them, there needs to be a consensus as to where everyone would be, adding a 5th wheel to your quartet

Since someone is tellin tales to Renee, maybe you can kill two birds.. The person that told should be the one to approach her.

The issues are as follows,

Telling her you already "know" of the marital discord between her and her husband, sleeping arraingments and the like

Tell her the only way this happens is with her husbands knowledge, let her decide if she wants to join in or not.. but only after spelling it out to her that you will beither be involved in a divorce proceeding nor the drama of her husbands reactions.. its all on her.. and the possible out come is on her too..


Swearing her to secrecy, as far as your original 4some. Again, if she wants to join in the games, she has to keep you all out of it, while dealing with it

So, those are some the ramifications of pursuing Renee...

[xxxboxy]

Secrecy hasn't worked so far and there would be no expectation of it suddenly working in the future.

This scenario has "drama bomb" written all over it. Couple of points:

1. Would you want your wife cheating on you?

2. Would you want your wife cheating on you with a "friend"?

3. Why would you consider helping someone cheat on their spouse and then help them lie about it, even if it's only a lie of omission?

4. Are you prepared to be the straw that broke your "friends" marriage?

You already know that what you propose is wrong or you wouldn't be here asking for someone, anyone, to give you the go ahead.

[JustAskJulie]

So just to clarify, Renee has asked to be included?

[NealnAnji]

Originally Posted by JustAskJulie

So just to clarify, Renee has asked to be included?

Yes, she certainly has asked to be included in our swing, sex and fuck sessions. That is what brought about this dilemma. We need to be tactful when refusing to include her in our foursome without hurtinh her feelingd.

[lardub]

That is a fine pickle you've gotten into, personally we would handle it this way. First we would tell her we are flattered by her attention but as she is still in a relationship we feel it best that nothing takes place regardless of the lust that may be present. We came into this lifestyle saying that we would be honest and never become a tool for someones indiscretion. Simply tell her that as long as she is in a relationship and still living with Al and one of your long standing rules is that you will not be party to a cheating spouse. Beyond this I have no advice left to give, good luck and I hope it turns out well.

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by NealnAnji

We need to be tactful when refusing to include her in our foursome without hurtinh her feelingd.

Not much of a dilemma actually if you think about it. As others have pointed out, this isn't cuckolding unless the husband knows and gets off on it. It is an open relationship if he agrees to the situation and cheating if he does not.

Tactful is simply saying, "We don't want to be the straw that broke the camel's back in your marriage. We'd love to have you, but we would need to know that your husband is okay with it. Talk to him and if he says it is okay, we will give him a call to thank him. Then we'd love to have you join."

Of course you can exchange any of the words you want for a gratuitous use of "pussy" and "dick" if you so desire.

Not difficult at all.

Spoomonkey

[Mrs Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by NealnAnji

The fly in the ointment is that ladies do not care to swap mates with Renee and Al. Neither one would want Al's dick in their pussies.

I can only agree with all that has been said here but one other thing to keep in mind. If you do decided to tell her that you would only include her with her husbands blessing, then what happens if he says yes she can join and he wants to join too? Then you have the problem of delicately telling him that neither of the other wives are interested in him.

You exchange one problem for the other. Just something to think about.

Mrs. Spoomonkey

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by NealnAnji

Yes, she certainly has asked to be included in our swing, sex and fuck sessions. That is what brought about this dilemma. We need to be tactful when refusing to include her in our foursome without hurtinh her feelingd.

Was her interest expressed as it being a foursome? Or just her? If she didn't come out and ask that they both be included then Spoo is right on the money. If she expressed interest that it be both of them, then we are back to square one.