No single males? Why not??

[BiloxiCouple]

Yep to Lee.

[WildMainePussy]

The few meet n greets we've attended really sock it to the single guy at the door --- one place had the nuts to put out the word NO SINGLE MEN will be admitted. It was single ladies and couples only and that was $20 a pop for 'membership' and $20 for the entrance fee.

So how can a single guy get out there to meet couples who might want a MFM without paying $50 plus for a 3 hour party? If the clubs want to limit single guys, do it by head count...first 20 in the door only.

[Chris&Amelia]

Because a lot of couples simply won't partake in a club that allows single males. And no business owner is going to intentionally antagonize their major clients to satisfy a sense of fairness or entitlement. It's a fact that most couples are looking for either other couples or single females. They simply aren't looking for a single male. So why have them take part in a event where, generally speaking, they simply aren't desired by most of the attendees?

There are other ways for single guys to meet couples (SLS, for example) for those couples who want a MFM. But I know I wouldn't want to attend a Meet & Greet or Club who allows every Tom, Dick, & Harry in.

I'm sorry, I know it's not "politically correct", and it may sound elitist. But there it is.

[Christian]

I have been swinging with woman since I was 18,its about respect,privacy and mosly having FUN,this is very simple,i am single know because my last girlfriend just flew back to Paris to take care of her father,there is no reosen to discriminate on the men,it"s not right. We are all not the same.Some single man such as my self are classy and fun and good people.

[Thrax]

Originally Posted by BiloxiCouple

Yep to Lee.

Yep, too.

Thrax

[lustylearning]

Originally Posted by Mr.Hyde69

After re-reading my late night post I thought I would go ahead an issue a disclaimer before someone flames me. I do not think that all couples and single females have a sense of superiority to single males. Just like all single males arent clueless creeps that are just looking for easy pussy. It's just something that if you really pay attention to all of the intricacies of the social dynamics in group sex/swinging environments you dont have to look very far or hard to witness that kind of mentality. We personally like swingers of all classifications equally. We believe that s. males,s. females and couples all have their pros and cons but each catagory is of fairly equal value to us sexually. If I insulted anyone it really wasnt my intention to do so. I just hate to see any group (especially underdogs so to speak) getting picked on/ganged up on.

I'm glad you clarified. I hate seeing people play the one upmanship game too.

[NumbskullsX2]

Originally Posted by Chris&Amelia

Because a lot of couples simply won't partake in a club that allows single males. And no business owner is going to intentionally antagonize their major clients to satisfy a sense of fairness or entitlement.

When we first started this, most of the clubs in our area (OH,IN, & KY) were either couples-only, or restricted the areas that single males could go within the club. In the past few years, we've noticed that almost all those clubs have relaxed those rules considerably.

We've also noticed that some clubs have closed, others have gone through several changes of management, and attendence seems to be down at the ones still in operation. I have to wonder why this is all happening at a time when there are more couples signed up on SLS and SN, and more private parties than ever before.

It's a fact that most couples are looking for either other couples or single females. They simply aren't looking for a single male. So why have them take part in a event where, generally speaking, they simply aren't desired by most of the attendees?

It's "money" on the part of the clubs, and general cluelessness on the part of the single males. It's hard to be successful in the nightclub business, because you have to pay rent and taxes every day of the month but you make most of your income (hopefully with enough left over for a little profit) in just 2 days each weekend. Many swing clubs make their monthly expenses on what the couples bring in, and whatever profit they make on what the single males bring in. As a business person I understand why they have to do what they do, but as a customer, I prefer to take my business elswhere. It's a vicious circle.

Most of the single males we've met at clubs are clueless about this lifestyle and what it takes to be succesful at it. Part of that is because of their own inability to read people and situations, and part is because they've been lied to by those who sell "memberships" in swing clubs and various adult websites. Nobody ever tells them what their REAL chances of hooking up with somebody are and they can't figure out out on their own, which makes them easy targets for those people. It's a variation of the "Olongapo Hustle" (you ex-navy types will understand)

"Buy me drink, sailor-boy? Sign up my website, sailor-boy? Many pretty pictures my pussy my website sailor-boy! Maybe even I meet you my club some night and we have big fun-fun time, just YOU and ME, sailor-boy!"

There are other ways for single guys to meet couples (SLS, for example) for those couples who want a MFM. But I know I wouldn't want to attend a Meet & Greet or Club who allows every Tom, Dick, & Harry in.

You might not have a choice if it's the Toms, Dicks, & Harry's, (or "Marvin the Mouth-breather's", "T-shirt Tom's" and "LeBaron da Ladies man!") that are keeping the club open. Maybe private parties aren't so bad after all.

[Playful1]

Unfortunately in my experience a great number of single men act horribly at parties/events/etc. They are rude, aggressive, and make all sorts of assumptions. Additionally, there tends to be a much greater number of single men than single women in swinging, so, if there are too many single guys, you wind up with a sausage fest. Because of this, most places find it easier to simply limit the number of single males, or require that they be vouched for by a couple first.

I know there are single men who are good, as i am friends with a couple, but, the ones that are not, have ruined it for those who are good and have made their job much harder.

[Malachista]

Originally Posted by Chris&Amelia

Because a lot of couples simply won't partake in a club that allows single males. And no business owner is going to intentionally antagonize their major clients to satisfy a sense of fairness or entitlement. It's a fact that most couples are looking for either other couples or single females. They simply aren't looking for a single male. So why have them take part in a event where, generally speaking, they simply aren't desired by most of the attendees?

Surprisingly enough one of my favorites clubs has doubled the nummer of couples and females at parties in the past 4 months, since they also let in single men.
Pretty much everyone new there was happy to finaly have a club that allows single guys because that was what they searched, and they had no interrest to go to party in a club without the men

[JandCMI]

My wife and I have zero use for single males. I certainly understand what the appeal of single men is for those couples that choose to use them, but that is not for us. We both like women and we would both feel cheated if we played with a single man. It isn't about one of us having fun, it's about both of us having fun.

Beyond that, we don't have a very high opinion of single men as a whole. They have no god-given right to be invited into a couple's bedroom. They have no god-given right to be admitted to the clubs at the same price as a couple or single female. They have no god-given right to be allowed onto SLS or any other swinging ad site. It is this attitude that they are entitled to something that makes us take exception to most single men.

And as others have said in this thread, there are a few bad apples that ruin it for the bunch. Someone should start a thread where we share single male horror stories.

[Thrax]

Originally Posted by JandCMI

My wife and I have zero use for single males. I certainly understand what the appeal of single men is for those couples that choose to use them, but that is not for us.

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by JandCMI

We both like women and we would both feel cheated if we played with a single man. It isn't about one of us having fun, it's about both of us having fun.

And the other couple or the single woman, too, I hope.

Originally Posted by JandCMI

Someone should start a thread where we share single male horror stories.

Ha ha.



With a little bit of searching you can find those threads on this board. There are also the couples "horror story" threads, and the much-less-frequent, but still existing, single female horror story threads.

There ARE a lot of single male "bad apples." Unfortunately, as far as I can see, the rot doesn't exclude couples or single females either.

Thrax

[JandCMI]

Originally Posted by Thrax

There ARE a lot of single male "bad apples." Unfortunately, as far as I can see, the rot doesn't exclude couples or single females either.

It certainly doesn't. But since single men are the most "dispensable" commodity in the swinging world the bad single males get singled out and people are a lot less likely to put up with much bad behavior out of them than they would from couples or females, so it seems. Just sayin...

[Energine]

One person's bad experiences or intolerances do not make a phenomenon. Personally, and whilst I'm not single, I'll be damned if I'm going to generalise and put in some petty self-opinionated black and white view about single men like some do in posts here. Yes some men are "bastards" just as some women and couples are "bastards". This site, unless I'm mistaken or there is false advertising is for human swingers of all persuasions not just an elite club for married couples and married men who believe they own their wives (permission is two way in a democracy fellas). The advice regarding single males on this site is arguably rather biased if not discriminatory even if it was designed (no doubt based on experience) to try to educate and guide some single men about basic human etiquette and dignity. I think that some married men and women also need education on basic human rights it would seem and not just re single men.

[Bama0468]

Originally Posted by Energine

One person's bad experiences or intolerances do not make a phenomenon. Personally, and whilst I'm not single, I'll be damned if I'm going to generalise and put in some petty self-opinionated black and white view about single men like some do in posts here. Yes some men are "bastards" just as some women and couples are "bastards". This site, unless I'm mistaken or there is false advertising is for human swingers of all persuasions not just an elite club for married couples and married men who believe they own their wives (permission is two way in a democracy fellas). The advice regarding single males on this site is arguably rather biased if not discriminatory even if it was designed (no doubt based on experience) to try to educate and guide some single men about basic human etiquette and dignity. I think that some married men and women also need education on basic human rights it would seem and not just re single men.

I take a bit of offense to this post, as while there may be a feeling of a slant it does not exactly exist. I would venture to say that most of those against single males have a personal experience that made their view that way. I know my wife and I do, by the same token as said previously we have one for females as well.
We prefer married couples, commited relationship types,why? for our security and sanity for one, the other is IF we have a commited couple and they are willing (as we are on occasion) to play alone, after all sometimes schedules do not click, age of children etc, we KNOW the single guy, what he's about, the agenda if you will. We also know that as COUPLES we can reciprocate, and may even flow the other way for the ladies. We have the single most education in this site on human rights, and to try to interject Politicaly Correct Standards here simply is not PC

Now that being said here is a wee bit of advice for the single Folks, and I am fairly CERTAIN there is a post some where with all the guide lines in it (Don't act shock that there are rules, every swinger (couple or otherwise) has some sort of rules for their own interaction when it comes to Play time)

BE respectful when your communicating with the couple (as individual or otherwise)
Their Rules for Play are the LAW don't break them and Don't ask for them to be later on.
If asked to back off, by all means Back off
If asked to Join in, if your comfortable doing so, Please do, if not Communicate it.
Just because you were asked once, don't expect it again unless asked (begging makes you look bad)
They are the couple and you are their for their fantasy/Pleasure, so make sure YOU know what is desired ahead of time.

There is more but thats off the top of my head

Please don't take my comments as a slamming hatered, it is not, nor is this site set up for or to be used for insiting anger, it is for

1) Friendships
2) Education (from those who have the experience to assist)
3)Connecting (so we all know we are not alone nor the only ones)
4) FUN ( after all thats what Swinging is about ..isn't it?)
5)Communication (between spouses, expressing ones self and discussing wants, desires and needs)

For with out proper,thurough communication between spouse and between Couples and playmates there is only disaster, heartache and nightmares.

[wetpanties]

Single Men don't have any human rights in our bedroom! STOP trying to open the door where they just aren't wanted. What part of NO don't you understand?