Swinging single females

[Ashley]

I think meeting at a swing club and meeting at a straight club or even on off-premise club are totally different. I think your odds of finding someone
a) you are attracted to and
b)who is willing to swing with you
is much better at a swing club....some of them are veritable orgies.
Just my 2 cents.

[JustAskJulie]

One of the problems males have is that they think they have to be very flirtatious and outdo any other males that may be in the same territory.

Reminds me of how male birds are the colorful ones and they ruffle their feathers and sing a certain way to attract the ladies.

Its well worth it to allow you to be a member of an exclusive group of single males. Just remember that if they just let you pay 20 bux to get in you would have no club to go to!

by Flori_DAMAN

On the other hand, at a topless bar, you cannot "buy" the girl and have sex with her

by ATAK

Sorry ATAK I was following your point until we got to this last statement from you. I can agree that instead of charging so mcuh the clubs should just screen better. But, when you go to a swing club, regardless of how much you pay, you should not be walking in expecting to have sex with anyone. You aren't paying that door fee as a right to have sex with someone (or even the right to expect to have sex) you are paying for the right to enter that club and to be one of the few males there. Being allowed in the door is not the same as being invited to participate. So, yes with that in mind, you can equate going to a strip club to going to a swinger club. Cuz the only thing you can expect at a swinger club is the same as what you can expect to see at a strip club.... some flesh. If you get more than that, woohoo, lucky you.

If your entire point of going to a swinger club is to get laid, then do everyone a favor and take John's route and hit a brothel. At least then you won't be dissapointed. But if you walk into a swinger club with the sole expectation of getting laid, regardless of how much you paid, chances are very good you will be very dissapointed.

Now, before anyone jumps my ass for my opinion on this, I DO understand what the clubs THINK they are accomplishing by charging guys more, but the fact is, charging more doesn't assure a better quality of man. It's all about SCREENING people !!!

by FlyBiNiter

I totally agree with this. I've said it before. Regardless of how much a club chooses to charge whoever, screening will go much further to weeding out people. As will enforcing rules of conduct which it seems that many clubs don't do. The problem is that too many clubs are in it for the money and not out to provide a quality service.

All that said.... This thread has taken a major stray from it's original topic. The original question was about swinging single females.... and we let it get derailed a bit by the topic of single males....a topic that has many threads of it's own.

[ATAK]

Originally posted by JustAskJulie
If your entire point of going to a swinger club is to get laid, then do everyone a favor and take John's route and hit a brothel. At least then you won't be dissapointed. But if you walk into a swinger club with the sole expectation of getting laid, regardless of how much you paid, chances are very good you will be very dissapointed.

Heheh, This is exactly why I love this board so much.

Originally posted by FLA_DAMAN
While you pittle away your money at topless joints with no hope of having sex you could save that up and try a swingers club.

Going to any club(swing or not) with the expectation of getting laid is presumptuous at the very least! My comments were not based on the assumption that sex was expected. But honestly, if the chances of having sex are not better at a swing club, then why save up my money to go? Not simply from a single male's perspective, but as couples or single females too. The object is to meet people that you have common ground with and can become friends with and perhaps more. While sex is not expected when you walk thru the door, you can bet that it's on people's minds, correct? Seems to me that the purpose of the swing club is to give people who hold the philosophy of swinging a common place to meet. Sometimes it can be for sex, other times it can simply be to get to know some new people who think the same way you do.

The only real difference I can see(having never been to a swing club) is all of the people in a swing club are swingers, while swingers in a straight club are not as easy to find. While this fact alone may justify the $100+ cover charge for some, it does not for me. Perhaps that's because at this particular point in my life, I'm having no problem having sex just about any time I want to. It's not always been this way and I'm sure it will not always be this way. Actually having made that last statement, does indeed put a higher cover charge into better perspective, but still does not justify charging one sex more than the other to gain entrance.
I'm not comparing apples to oranges here, Men and women ARE indeed different, but shouldn't be charged any different at the door. IMHO Their differences should be distinguished once inside by their actions.

All that said.... This thread has taken a major stray from it's original topic. The original question was about swinging single females.... and we let it get derailed a bit by the topic of single males....a topic that has many threads of it's own. [/b]

I'm sorry if I "de-railed" this topic, perhaps I should've started another topic thread. But it seemed to me that Single Females and Single Males were both affected by this topic, which is why I didn't start another thread.


BTW, John, where's that pic dude? The one with you wearing the t-shirt. I wanna see that!

[Flori_DAMAN]

Originally posted by ATAK


As I've said before, I'll try the club thing once or twice just to see what it's all about, and I may still change my mind once I go, but for now, I can't see an enormous benefit of meeting at a swing club versus meeting at a straight club. The end result would be the same and it wouldn't cost near as much.

Yeah ATAK, that was my point. Unless you are willing to be a lifestylist it won't pay to just go to a club and see if you get lucky. You may indeed get lucky, but if you want to get laid you are probably better off doing the single bar scene.

Personally I am doing neither so I'm not getting any at all LOL.

I'm doing some dating through online dating services but no real connections so far. I do have a couple of gals that we seem to have a mutual interest in but it goes slowly. I am more interested in a LTR than getting laid though. It took me this long just to figure that out...sigh.

After my wife passed away it took me 4 years to have a LTR, and I just dread the thought of going that long again, but I may well have to like it or not.

John

[OhioCouple]

Originally posted by ATAK
, Men and women ARE indeed different, but shouldn't be charged any different at the door. IMHO Their differences should be distinguished once inside by their actions.

Gonna have to side with ATAK here. I think singles regardless of gender, should be charged the same and let thier actions determine whether they stay and do nothing, get thrown out for acting inappropriately, make friends or get laid. In my opinion single is single, whether you are in a mainstream night club or a swingers club. Both should be charged the same dollar amount, whether it is $5.00 or $100.00.

Lori

[Flori_DAMAN]

If you charge single females the same price as single males one of two things will happen.

No single females will show up if the price is high.

Thousands of single males will show up if the price is low.

Take your pick...

John

[Ashley]

John is right....and it's not just because single women can get laid anywhere on any given night for free. It's also because, in general, men make more money than women do. In a perfect world.......

[Flori_DAMAN]

Originally posted by Ashley
John is right....and it's not just because single women can get laid anywhere on any given night for free. It's also because, in general, men make more money than women do. In a perfect world.......

woah baby!

That was not my point.

I just believe that the swingers world is better off by letting single swinging ladies in for business purposes.

Maybe guys make more money sometimes. But that is not the factor I was considering.

John

[Ashley]

No....I knew what you meant. But my point is true, nonetheless.
If I want to go out as a single woman why would I pay to go to a club when I can go to a bar and pick someone up or have a man pay my way....sorry, it's just economic reality.

[Flori_DAMAN]

Yeah, exactly!

That makes sense.

The reality is unfortunately hard for some men to accept.

John

[ATAK]

Originally posted by Flori_DAMAN
I just believe that the swingers world is better off by letting single swinging ladies in for business purposes.

Business purposes? You've lost me completely now. How would it be a benefit to allow single women in for "business purposes" versus single men? You seem to be placing more value on the single women giving substance to the thought of single men being "a dime a dozen" which we've already covered in another thread. I realize it's not a perfect world, and you DO make your point when you said...

If you charge single females the same price as single males one of two things will happen. No single females will show up if the price is high. Thousands of single males will show up if the price is low. Take your pick...

But the fact that it IS does not justify the way it "should be". I'm just thinking there must be a better way of screening besides emptying a man's wallet.

[Flori_DAMAN]

Originally posted by ATAK
Business purposes? You've lost me completely now. How would it be a benefit to allow single women in for "business purposes" versus single men? You seem to be placing more value on the single women giving substance to the thought of single men being "a dime a dozen" which we've already covered in another thread. I realize it's not a perfect world, and you DO make your point when you said...



But the fact that it IS does not justify the way it "should be". I'm just thinking there must be a better way of screening besides emptying a man's wallet.

ATAK,

Give us a good solution that will now allow the masses of horney men to overwhelm swinging communities.

John

[MagicEnigma]

I'm not really sure where the thread went topic wise, but I couldn't imagine going to a club on my own as I got started. I've done that since then, and I agree that a girl that doesn't know what she is doing, or what to expect, gets eaten alive by guys.

I also have to sympathize with Lori, in that I felt some intimidation being young, good looking, and in a house full of married and near-married couples older than I was. What I think broke the ice were a few things. I had a host couple whom I was fooling around with outside of the group, and they helped break the ice. I was very interested in the wives and girlfriends, which surprised several of them. And after a few trips up there, I wasn't just another cute blonde toy, I was part of the group.

Its like sex in general. You can be open minded, level headed, and it is the most amazing activity, thing, whatever, and it can give you feelings and experiences that border on religious. But if you go into something without your head on striaght, you'll get messed up in a hurry. Heck, you don't have to swing for that to happen. Its why I like the groups over clubs. I like the purging that goes on, that keeps most of the real head cases away from me. I like meeting people, branching out, but in a way I consider safe.

[OhioCouple]

Magic Enigma brings up a very important point. She was there with a host couple who helped introduce her to others. Couples tend to trust another couple's judgements, without much question.

Maybe the answer for clubs would be to charge the single females and males the same amount if they arrive alone. If they come with the endorsement of a host couple who would in essence be responsible for the singles actions (in meaning that if either got out of control, they would be ousted for the evening) then they would receive an equal lesser rate being that of 1/2 the couple charge. After "X" amount of attendance (say 6 visits) and there have been no problems or complaints then they should be charged only the 1/2 rate of a couple, should they want to attend on their own. I would have to think if a single was "sponsored" by another couple, six visits would be ample enough time to have introduced them to others in which they would have become friends.

Just a thought.

Lori

[Flori_DAMAN]

Originally posted by OhioCouple
Magic Enigma brings up a very important point. She was there with a host couple who helped introduce her to others. Couples tend to trust another couple's judgements, without much question.

Maybe the answer for clubs would be to charge the single females and males the same amount if they arrive alone. If they come with the endorsement of a host couple who would in essence be responsible for the singles actions (in meaning that if either got out of control, they would be ousted for the evening) then they would receive an equal lesser rate being that of 1/2 the couple charge. After "X" amount of attendance (say 6 visits) and there have been no problems or complaints then they should be charged only the 1/2 rate of a couple, should they want to attend on their own. I would have to think if a single was "sponsored" by another couple, six visits would be ample enough time to have introduced them to others in which they would have become friends.

Just a thought.

Lori

Lori,

I think your approach would be better applied to single males strictly.

If a guy proves that he is an asset to the club then reduce his cost to half.

The reason single females are let in free is for business purposes. If one club charges them then they will lose business from the single females and the couples that like to see them there.

However if I ran a club and a single guy were attending regularly; not causing problems then I would give him half rate.

Good Idea but I think it would be more appropriate for single guys and be an incentive for them to behave.

john