Are single females in the lifestyle less "hot" than married females?

[crazycatz]

Well I don't know who Rob Schneider is so I can't answer that question.
But I would prefer Jack Black for instance to BP. Even then it's hard to do because for me hot is not something that is solely based on physicality. It's soooo much more than that.
I think that's what the majority of us are trying to say here.

[NYCTeamOfOne]

I understand what they are saying here but to the OP it doesn't really matter whether you think hot should or shouldn't solely based on physicality. What matters is he does and he'd like his question answered base solely on physicality.

This is the OP's thread and I may be talking too much as is but I'd like to see people able to speak their true mind without feeling guilty or corrected.

[crazycatz]

Originally Posted by NYCTeamOfOne

I understand what they are saying here but to the OP it doesn't really matter whether you think hot should or shouldn't solely based on physicality. What matters is he does and he'd like his question answered base solely on physicality.

You seem to be missing my point! Some of us CAN'T distinguish! He has an opinion of what is hot or not...and that is based on physicality. Great for him!
But I think the trouble with his question is that he assumes there is a generic category of hot (and you do too)...when in fact, defining 'hotness' is like trying to pin jelly to a wall! What you find hot I might not! Simple as!

[NumbskullsX2]

Originally Posted by 8inches

I have been to several lifestyle clubs and they generally do not allow single men unless you get special permission from the organizers and then you have to be an attractive single male and have recommendations from other couples. If I bring a hot girl with me I can get in with no recommendations and it doesn't matter what I look like....

This is the way the lifestyle is where I live.

Around here there really aren't any restrictions unless there falling down drunk or the like. I've never seen anyone turned away except for that and causeing trouble in the club.

If you bring a woman they treat you like any other couple. She doesn't have to be "hot," just breathing,

[good times]

Originally Posted by crazycatz

You seem to be missing my point! Some of us CAN'T distinguish! He has an opinion of what is hot or not...and that is based on physicality. Great for him!
But I think the trouble with his question is that he assumes there is a generic category of hot (and you do too)...when in fact, defining 'hotness' is like trying to pin jelly to a wall! What you find hot I might not! Simple as!

I think most everyone here gets your point, but in regards to physical attributes Almost everyone has an opinion of what is hot and what is not to them. In my opinion, to answer the op's question your opinion on what is hot does not need to match his. If your idea of a hot woman includes that she is at least a size 20, then your answer to the question, "Are single females in the lifestyle less "hot" than married females?" is still either yes or no.

[crazycatz]

Originally Posted by good times

I think most everyone here gets your point, but in regards to physical attributes Almost everyone has an opinion of what is hot and what is not to them. In my opinion, to answer the op's question your opinion on what is hot does not need to match his. If your idea of a hot woman includes that she is at least a size 20, then your answer to the question, "Are single females in the lifestyle less "hot" than married females?" is still either yes or no.

thats my point exactly..but the OP and the one other person seemed to disagree with that and i was just trying to clarify my position on that.

[Chicup]

Actually there is 'universal hot' and then 'personal hot'.

Lets face it, the women we tend to see on the banner adds, the victorias secret models, the movie starlets when they are properly makeuped are universal hot. Sure there are a few guys who will say they are not interested (when their wife is in earshot) and even fewer who really are not, but most men would think they are quite attractive.

Then you have personal hot, something that you really like that a lot of men would not. For me its red heads with that ultra white skin. Maybe its my Irish heritage but to me thats just perfection.

This of course has very little to do with the conversation at hand.

[tribbles]

Actually here I find it's more age dependent if we want to figure VS models vs others. The younger they are, the more likely they fit that image. At the clubs we have gone to where the crowd is 35 or less, both married and singles are closer to a VS model than anyone over 35.

Although a few places with the over 35 crowd, there are some who look like older VS models and there, I'll say they are the married ones, not the singles. Then again, we find more married with boob jobs vs singles (guess who paid for 'em? ) and more married with other surgical 'work' vs the single females. (Unless they used to be married and are now single by way of divorce).

I admit at times to wishing a really good survey could be done to tell who has what 'work' done at what age and if they are single vs married at the time.

[NYCTeamOfOne]

English isn't my first language and Chicup definitely says it better than I do. I don't want to hijack the thread with any further debate. All I am trying to say is those who are browsing the thread, do not feel guilty or get scared off to say things in your mind and there really is no need to feel apologetic nor sugarcoat it.

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by 8inches

I have found that females when part of a couple to be generally in better shape and to have better figures (assuming that like me you find a dress size 4 to be a "better figure" than a dress size 14).

The whole debate over what is hot or not, is really beside the point. The real question from the OP (as quoted above) is whether or not females that are part of a couple in the lifestyle are THINNER overall than single females who swing.

My answer still remains the same, that it depends on where you are looking... and that yes when looking at ads I would say that a larger portion of ADS from real single female swingers are from girls who would not qualify as model thin. I would also say that the primary reason for that is that larger single female swingers may find it more necessary to place ads and make more attempts to find other ways to meet people than the ads. I would also say (having experienced it) that being a single female swinger is hard enough as far as getting treated like a piece of meat, but if you are on the thinner side of things even moreso, as it seems like every couple even considering a single female pounces on you the second you show up (whether on an ad site or in a club). At least as a larger single female you know they are looking to meet YOU and not just meat you.

[BiloxiCouple]

Originally Posted by Chicup

Actually there is 'universal hot' and then 'personal hot'.

If there is a "universal hot" then it has to be the green alien woman from Star Trek, she's got all the earth girls beat hands down. She was polyamorous with a high domination factor.

I do agree that hotness is in the eye of the beholder whether single or married and it doesn't matter which. But, before advertising was a big thing, what was hot? Any history buffs out there?

On another note if it hasn't been asked before, what does Chicup stand for if anything?

[NumbskullsX2]

I saw something on a message board once that said basically swingers clubs did the same thing for single women that strip clubs did for men - made less-then-average-looking people feel very desirable for a short while. Maybe the writer was on to something - the single women we see at our club DO tend to run on the "thick" side. Don't know about what kinds of guys go to strip clubs though.

I think Couples go to swing clubs for different reasons than single women, mainly so they can flirt and maybe play with other people, but also keep an eye on each other while they do it. Maybe thats why their more "normal" sized people.

It's just my theory, that's all.

[Chicup]

Originally Posted by BiloxiCouple

If there is a "universal hot" then it has to be the green alien woman from Star Trek, she's got all the earth girls beat hands down. She was polyamorous with a high domination factor.

I do agree that hotness is in the eye of the beholder whether single or married and it doesn't matter which. But, before advertising was a big thing, what was hot? Any history buffs out there?

On another note if it hasn't been asked before, what does Chicup stand for if anything?

There are universal markers of beauty that transcend culture. Symmetry, waist to hip ratios, an 'average' face, flawless skin, are considered beautiful.

One interesting thing about beauty is that is average, even if the average isn't beautiful. When faces were 'averaged' so you had the average eye size, width, nose size, lips, cheeks etc, it produced faces that people found very attractive. They also took samples of what most people considered attractive, averaged them and found people found the generated average faces more attractive than the originals.

I could go into more of it, but it would take quite a bit of writing.

One side note though, is that Rubens is often invoked as some sort of proof that being heavier was once more attractive. Its true that the models of today are thinner than their counterparts in the past but only to a degree. Rubens painted the human form in all its varieties, from overly muscled, to morbidly obese and all phases in between. A quick perusal though of Greek, Roman, Etruscan, Indian, Chinese and Japanese ancient art shows the female form again in the more 'universal' beauty form.

Another thing people invoke is the whole 'earth goddess' figurines as some ancient form of beauty. As someone whos wife was recently pregnant, its pretty obvious these figurines are of pregnant women and part of the whole fertility goddess traditions. My wife could have been a model for them.

About the only time you see this trend falter is in very poor societies where being over weight is a sign of wealth. This has never been the case that I know of in any western society or for that matter Asian one though I could be wrong. Even in these cultures its less of a beauty thing and more of a dominance thing, a way for the wealthy to distinguish themselves from the poor.

From what I've been able to read and observe there has been very little change in the standards of beauty. A idealized roman bust is still beautiful 2000 years later.

Chicup was just a short form for Chicago Couple which is where we lived at the time.

[crazycatz]

Originally Posted by NumbskullsX2

I saw something on a message board once that said basically swingers clubs did the same thing for single women that strip clubs did for men - made less-then-average-looking people feel very desirable for a short while. Maybe the writer was on to something - the single women we see at our club DO tend to run on the "thick" side. Don't know about what kinds of guys go to strip clubs though.

I think Couples go to swing clubs for different reasons than single women, mainly so they can flirt and maybe play with other people, but also keep an eye on each other while they do it. Maybe thats why their more "normal" sized people.

It's just my theory, that's all.

As a bifemale, who has other bifemale friends in the lifestyle....it has NOTHING to do with getting sex for christ sake! Women can get sex anytime, anywhere! Singles, like most couples, (with the exception of a few arsehole single men) because they agree with the principles of swinging...sharing...having sex and all the exploration that goes with it that does not exist in the vanilla world.

I was reading a blog once on BBW women which said that they are actually more sexual women, and more confident in their sexuality and in expressing it. So if there are heavier single women in the scene that's likely to be the reason not because they can't get laid otherwise.

[lovinher]

Are single females in the lifestyle less "hot" than married females?

Well sure! Isn't that why they are single?
There isn't a way to answer this without pissing somebody off.
It's like asking which is more hot, blond or brunette. I think redheads are beat em both.

I don't know really but I'm dying to find out.