why does Swingers meets cost so much for single males

[Chicup]

Originally Posted by EternallySingle

I've said it many times before. Before the internet, it was much easier to swing as a single man because there weren't that many single men that knew swinging existed outside of Penthouse Forum letters, and most thought those stories were made up.

Since I think this thread is dead unless the OP has something to add I am going to

Many many moons ago when I was still dating Mrs. Chicup, I found out that she did indeed have a bit of a freeky side as she knew where her dad had some penthouse magazines and she would read the letters. These penthouses spanned maybe five years and they did in fact reuse the letters. A couple were word for word the same only with changed names and slightly changed stories (location etc, but the same story, replace Chicago with Dallas or the like).

Its kinda sad that they couldn't find someone to write a fake 'letter' and decided to reuse old ones. How hard is it to make up an 'I got laid' story?

[curiousagain]

I have ceased to be amazed at some people's "entitlement" attitude about a lot of different things.

What I am still amazed at is someone thinking $70 is a lot for a night out and a little fun. Where do they usually go, McDonald's?

How much do you pay to get in a concert? How often do you get laid at a concert? OK, OK, maybe after the concert, but still...........

I'm paying nearly $50 to fill up my jeep, $5 for a beer and a tip to the server. I paid $18.50 for a small pizza the other night at a bar. (I shared and only had two pieces myself for those of you in the exercise motivation threads with me).

Can you and a fuck buddy hook up for next to nothing, just the gas for one of you to drive over? Sure, but a night out for $70 and you're bitching? Give me a break. Maybe I need to go to different places or change my hometown here or something.

To go back to the OP a little, hey a couple payed to get in and you're there, what if they think you ought to have a go in some area you don't want to go? Think since you're there they're entitled and you're fair game? Maybe they're into tieing people up and having sex in front of them just to tease them. Want to broaden your horizons a little? You're there, they payed to get in, everyone's fair game, right?

[Jamie&Kieth]

Precisely why we do not go to swinger clubs.

We have been to a few, just to hang out & observe and there always seems to be more men than women.

Our feelings is that if we are going to have sex with another couple we want to know them and have them as friends both socially & sexually.

[cracker0jack]

Alright, maybe I should have rephrased soomethings, so let me do that now...
First, I was tryong to make a simple point... it seems like these socials are against single males, well thats fine, but there is also another side to it... what about the single females... i'll get to that in a second...
All I was saying... why do they push for the single females? and but yet not want any single males, if its a place where swingers can get together and meet, and thats what socials are about, meeting new people that have a common interest.
I am sure that they is alot of women out there that would appreciate a few more single men and a lot less single females... I am sure to some that it is nice to see females all over each other, but at the same time... I am pretty sure that they would like to see a few male & females getting it on too.... (and I am really sure that some females,seeing females all over each other, look at it like we do with two male getting it on...)
Another observation I made... you saw females getting it on, but yet not one word was said to them.... at the same time this other couple (male female) were getting it on and they were asked to take it to the room...
All I am trying to say is... why the double standards???
You can ask just about any straight female (single or couple) that has been to a social.... how many times have you been groped, by a bi female? with out them asking?
by the way this same thread is going on on Swingular, and I borrowed this quote from a femsle that responded...
"Single females are in my opinion more pushy, more aggressive, and the bi ones have groped me more often and more aggressively then men. (not that I have not been groped by men) Its just Bi-fems don't even bother to find out if I'm gay or not, just grope me anyway. Personally I find it more offensive because I am not gay. "

but , I am sorry if I didn't properly put it in to context,and yes, I could have used a better example, I was just making a statement... and like I said that was my first as a single male.... I never said that I hadn't attented one before, just no as a single. So I know all about respect, maybe it was because I was a new face up here, by the way I did end up meeting some cool couples that night.

[good times]

It is really quite simple, their are only double standards if you consider men and women the same, personally, I don't. Beyond that it is just simple supply and demand, very few single females compared to how many couples desire them, way more single males than are desired by couples. It isn't anything about double standards, it is just about preferences and supply and demand.

As far as the pushy bi-fems go, yep, it is a problem sometimes and we have seen it, but that is a totally different discussion, it doesn't have anything to do with single males.

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by cracker0jack

why do they push for the single females? and but yet not want any single males

At my club we have one regular single female. Nice girl, fun to talk to, but about as attractive as a Buick on blocks...

We have a dozen regular single men, plus a constant stream of guys trying the scene (they don't get their money's worth, so they move on).

On the ridiculously rare occasion that an attractive single woman shows up at the club, you can bet the club is going to buzz about her.

Even at the higher price, our club has all the single men it needs - and even at the much lower door charge for single women (free, for instance) we can't get them in with a cattle prod. If you ask me, that is the one reason why single women are sought over single males.

And it makes perfect sense.

After all - nearly every woman on the planet could get laid simply by walking into a bar and asking for it - and she wouldn't even have to buy her own drinks. In most cases, it would be cheaper for a single woman to go to a regular bar than a swing club (most do charge a small door fee). So - why any of them come to a swing club is beyond me, but should be encouraged and considered a good thing.

Single men? You have to raise the price - and in many cases limit the number you let in - just to keep from being over run.

People like to toss around "double standard". But it is an absolutely useless phrase in this instance. It may make for good rhetoric, but it begs us to suspend logic and common sense...

Spoomonkey

[VegasLee]

Originally Posted by cracker0jack

and like I said that was my first as a single male.... I never said that I hadn't attented one before, just no as a single.

Somewhere in all your postings I seemed to have missed the part where you are not married anymore and became single.

[Alura]

I suggested earlier on, Lee, that the OP might have had a problem because he's a part of a couple but "attended as a single male." As we know, single men have problem enough without being cheaters as well. Swingers just don't like cheaters.

I asked him if he was cheating when he went to the club but he stonewalled the question.

Mr. Alura

[VegasLee]

Sorry Mr. Alura

I missed it. Guess all these same rants about nothing make it so that I don't catch it all anymore.

Your right though, seems some parties never want to answer questions when it is not to their benefit.

Good job!

[cracker0jack]

Married any more? NOPE... AND FOR THE RECORD "NO, I HAVE NEVER CHEATED" but I do attend socials with a very close female friend of mine, and yes, we play together... and with other couples... Some last minute events came up unannouced, therfor I decided to go ahead and attend that evening.
It wasn't until then, that I realized the big difference, in the way things were operated. I had nver attended one being on the single side. So therfore that was the reason for my questions...
One question which has not been answered though... If only a few selected males are invited to attend, then why would there be a problem with the social being over run with single males? or is this just a term that is used to comfort couples and single females to get them in? or is it a misleading statement? In the advertisement it say "a few selected males"... so before someone jumps to conclusions, I am not saying all clubs and socials are this
away.

But my basic question was why does it cost so much for the single males. And I think that it has been answered...

[good times]

Sad to say, some of the clubs we have been to that say, "select single males" mean the ones that had the entry fee. I imagine not all clubs are this way, but the ones we have been to were, for the most part.

One local club used to have single male night, couples were free and "select single males" were $10.00. It wasn't unusual for them to have 10-15 single males per couple. We would never go on that night unless we had it set up in advance to meet someone there.

[tribbles]

Here many clubs limit the number of single guys to prevent that out of balance ratio. And they charge couples less to encourage us to pick their party over the couples only parties that cost us more.

[Menage_a_Trois]

Originally Posted by cracker0jack

Alright, maybe I should have rephrased soomethings, so let me do that now...
First, I was tryong to make a simple point... it seems like these socials are against single males, well thats fine, but there is also another side to it... what about the single females... i'll get to that in a second...
All I was saying... why do they push for the single females? and but yet not want any single males, if its a place where swingers can get together and meet, and thats what socials are about, meeting new people that have a common interest.
I am sure that they is alot of women out there that would appreciate a few more single men and a lot less single females... I am sure to some that it is nice to see females all over each other, but at the same time... I am pretty sure that they would like to see a few male & females getting it on too.... (and I am really sure that some females,seeing females all over each other, look at it like we do with two male getting it on...)
Another observation I made... you saw females getting it on, but yet not one word was said to them.... at the same time this other couple (male female) were getting it on and they were asked to take it to the room...
All I am trying to say is... why the double standards???
You can ask just about any straight female (single or couple) that has been to a social.... how many times have you been groped, by a bi female? with out them asking?
by the way this same thread is going on on Swingular, and I borrowed this quote from a femsle that responded...
"Single females are in my opinion more pushy, more aggressive, and the bi ones have groped me more often and more aggressively then men. (not that I have not been groped by men) Its just Bi-fems don't even bother to find out if I'm gay or not, just grope me anyway. Personally I find it more offensive because I am not gay. "

but , I am sorry if I didn't properly put it in to context,and yes, I could have used a better example, I was just making a statement... and like I said that was my first as a single male.... I never said that I hadn't attented one before, just no as a single. So I know all about respect, maybe it was because I was a new face up here, by the way I did end up meeting some cool couples that night.

Having been a single female in the lifestyle and now part of a couple/triad I would like to address this question. Why are single females ok more so over the single male for a couple of reasons?

1. Single female “generally” (not always) are not as obnoxious in their approach.
2. And secondly like Mr. Goodtimes and others have pointed out they are rarer and more sought after by the masses.

Here is where the big difference is in the lifestyle a single straight male and a single straight female are the least sought after. They offer little to nothing for the average lifestyle couple but for those who play separate they are needed and wanted, with that being said those couples who play separate are not in the majority in the lifestyle.

The single bi-male and the single bi-female have more to offer and are more sought after because they fulfill a broader range of needs being able to please and play with both partners.

Are there single bi-females who don’t know their manners within the lifestyle, absofuckinglutely………….and they by far are as obnoxious as single men, possibly more so, because as bi-women and straight women go there isn’t a tell all sign to know if a woman is bi unless you see her actively engaged with another woman. So it’s really being brazen to assume all women at a club are bi but they do it. And I’ve seen many pay the price with the well deserved bop on the head by those women who aren’t bi.

I am bi and have had my share of unsolicited groping by other bi-women and it pisses me off just as much as men who assume consent to grope just because we are all in the lifestyle. It seems that many have forgotten to be courteous in the lifestyle and to ASK permission before just groping others.

I can honestly say in my years within the lifestyle I have NEVER made a straight woman uncomfortable by my actions. But I’ve seen other bi-women do just that but I’ve seen by far more single males do it too.

Moral of the story is manners, manners, manners and most of all RESPECT for your play partners, everyone are people with feeling and emotions and while we are in the lifestyle for fun and to have sex with others, you have to take them into consideration – it’s not just about getting mine………

The Other Mrs. Menage

[Alura]

I just received the following unsolicited Private Message from CrackerOjack. He wrote:

just thought I'd check with you too see if you read my reply in "why does it cost so much for single males"
If not, just so you know... I am a legitament single male... Thats right single!!! Divorced!! and I do attend socials with a close female friend of mine.
I had not attended one as a single... and by the way, I forgot to change this profile on here after the divorce...
I just thought that since you were hounding at the OP that the OP would see if you followed up

I believe I've read all your posts, although I'm not sure why.

I guess I owe you an apology, CrackerOjack. I'm sorry you forgot to change your profile after the divorce.

In my opinion, as well as Mrs. Alura's, there is no such thing as a "legit[i]mate" single male in swinging. If you don't have a wife, whom you love dearly, to bring to the party, you are not going to get the opportunity to play with my wife, who means the world to me. (She will make sure of that.) "Close female friends" do not qualify.

Many couples do not agree with us. We respect their right to do whatever they want sexually, as will we.

Please consider this my "follow up."

Mr. Alura

[tribbles]

It's ok to post PM's?

Most boards it's not.