"PAY FOR THE PARTY"

[jojo_man]

Im a single guy too, but Im not quite as stupid or pathetic ( I am but won't admit it) as some of you other guys are. I've been reading about some of the swinging clubs and parties and all the "Rules" for single guys. Now I understand they don't want any jerks - and Im not a jerk - but like I said Im not stupid either. Most alll these clubs and parties only want the single guy for one thing and thats to "PAY FOR THE PARTY". They want your gawd dang $$$ but they don't want you. Then they want to belittle you and treat you like a POS make you kiss her azz at a 52.45 degree angle and get down on your hands and knees and lick her toe jamb to just get a chance to sniff her azz. I don't think they're "true" swinging women. A "true" swinging woman would be a fun loving woman with a heart full of "unconditional sweetness". Those are few and far in between.

So you single guys go ahead and let em treat you like a POS and empty out your wallet. If they aint going to treat you half way decent and treat you like your a human being and not like your dawg shhhit on the bottom of their shoe. Then just let em "PAY FOR THEir OWN DAMN PARTY".

They got some of you boys jumping through hoops, begging and rolling over like a dog on a leash. Well I got more gawd dang self respect and pride than that.

[VegasLee]

I can pretty much promise that no matter how much money you had you would not be welcome at any party that we hosted. Even if the party is free.

Everyone has always been treated equal and welcome at all our parties but with us it is all about the right attitude and you are showing yours loud and clear.

Good luck with what ever you think you are doing with that post.

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by jojo_man

A "true" swinging woman would be a fun loving woman with a heart full of "unconditional sweetness".

While the rest of your post speaks for itself - I am curious... Upon what would you base this definition? How would "unconditional sweetness" improve a single male's chance of playing at a club?

Mrs Spoomonkey is as unconditionally sweet as they come - being kind to waitresses, animals and the mentally underdeveloped... But it doesn't mean she'll hop in the sack indiscriminately with any Tom or Harry Dick who happens to pony up the extra cash to step into a swing club.

It isn't her job to make sure you get your money's worth...

"Paying for the party" is something that club owners worry about - not swing couples. We go, pay our own modest fee, and enjoy the people that we may have mutual connections with. The fact that those connections are rarely made with single men only means that we are most attracted to other couples. We feel no responsibility for single men who visit our club.

Spoomonkey

[Tybee Swing]

Originally Posted by jojo_man

They want your gawd dang $$$ but they don't want you. Then they want to belittle you and treat you like a POS make you kiss her azz at a 52.45 degree angle and get down on your hands and knees and lick her toe jamb to just get a chance to sniff her azz.

Hi jojo,

With charm like this, I can't believe they're not inviting you in for free. :rollseyes

[flirty]

In reality it is attitudes like yours that make the club owners charge single men more. Many worry, and it seems justifiably so, that there are those single men that think they deserve sex BECAUSE they PAID their money to get into the club. Us women do not feeling like we are REQUIRED to play with anyone! I have played with single men at the club, not because they expected it, rather I played with them because they did NOT expect it. They went there and socialized, enjoyed the sexualy charged atmosphere, enjoyed the opportunity to possibly play, but they sure never counted on it! There are no more guarntees of getting laid at a swing club than there is in picking up a girl in a regular club. This is even true for the couples! You go with the idea that it probably won't happen then if it does you see it for what it is - a gift, a fortunate turn.
Bad attitutes are a turn-off.

[jojo_man]

Im right and all of you know it, but won't admit it. All of you couples wouldn't be partying in the style you do if it weren't for the single guys money "Paying For the Party". The only reason you do treat some of them nice is just to get the word out and keep suckers comming back. I expected the comments you made. Some were from men just "riding on their white horses" trying to win points with the ladies. Then the ones from the ladies are like " who does he damn think he is?". And then some women "just can't handle the truth, when the truth aint what they want to hear"! Even some of the couple guys know thats true, but aint no damn way they're going to agree with me in here and f- up up the good stuff they're getting.

Say what you want. I know Im right and go ahead you single boys let em treat you like a POS if thats all the "balls" you got.

[Tybee Swing]

Originally Posted by jojo_man

Im right and all of you know it, but won't admit it. All of you couples wouldn't be partying in the style you do if it weren't for the single guys money "Paying For the Party".

Sorry to disappoint you, but the clubs we have gone to don't allow single men at all, or some do occasionally and on a limited basis (such as if they're escorted by a couple). Because of keeping it very limited - or none at all - there is little to no money coming in from single guys. These clubs are doing very well and seem to be bringing in all the money they need.

[LOL_OMG]

A month or so ago we stopped at a club in Nashville. The Mrs. and I had been talking about a mfm, so I was more than willing to see what we could do about it. I found it difficult to get a male to converse with us as a couple. There were at least 8 single guys within chatting range yet not one wanted to talk to us together. Every time I went to take a leak there would be a mass scramble of sm's talking to the Mrs., turning away as I came back. From your post you would fit right in with these 'gentlemen.' Should you be given Carte Blanche to a club? I think not. Please get a grip and take some advice from some of the single guys on this board that have it down.

Mr.

[Mr TybeeSwing]

Well guys we knew our run couldn't last. We got away with the grassy knoll conspiracy and the Roswell incident. We should have known that this conspiracy was just to big to cover up. I warned you all that trying to get single guys to pay for our fun was just to big and risky. Now that we are found out I don't know how we will ever get laid again.

Sorry JoJo, but you remind me of Tom Cruise in Eyes Wide Shut. You wander around all night long and between meeting ex-lovers, willing hookers, and going to one of the wildest swinger events since Caligula had his last cookout you still can't get laid. And you end up blaming everybody else.

[Thrax]

Originally Posted by jojo_man

Im right and all of you know it, but won't admit it. All of you couples wouldn't be partying in the style you do if it weren't for the single guys money "Paying For the Party". The only reason you do treat some of them nice is just to get the word out and keep suckers comming back. I expected the comments you made. Some were from men just "riding on their white horses" trying to win points with the ladies. Then the ones from the ladies are like " who does he damn think he is?". And then some women "just can't handle the truth, when the truth aint what they want to hear"! Even some of the couple guys know thats true, but aint no damn way they're going to agree with me in here and f- up up the good stuff they're getting.

Say what you want. I know Im right and go ahead you single boys let em treat you like a POS if thats all the "balls" you got.

Some trolls piss me off...you make me laugh.

Sorry, I never jumped through hoops, begged, or rolled over in the lifestyle. Well, I didn't have to pay to do it.

Obviously you had one or more club experiences with swingers that turned you off to the lifestyle...if you were ever really in it. From my experience, and from my communications with other single guys in the lifestyle, and single women and couples that have played with them, a satisfying-for-all experience CAN be achieved.

A lot, and I mean a LOT, of the clubs charge extra for single males. I think they have the right to do that, within reason, to keep the number of single males down. Their couple patrons appreciate that, and actually, it works out for the single males who ARE admitted. (Think about it: less competition, more possibilities.)

Anyway, it would be interesting for those of us on this Board to hear WHY you feel the way you do. What event caused your first post? Yeah, a LOT of couples and single females can and do treat single males like trash. That's indisputable and usually not defensible. Tell us what happened to you and maybe we can figure out what...someone...is doing wrong.

Thrax

[sereneiders]

jojo_man, as a swinger (i.e. married) guy, I AGREE WITH YOU!

You're right! But... for the wrong reasons.

The clubs here charges more to singles that to couples. Some times, they don't charge couples at all, just the single MALES (single females, being unicorns, never pay).

Now, a clever guy like yourself should realize if they were charging an unexpensive fee to singles, the place would be flooded by single guys, half of them jerkers, half of them misleaded into believe they could get to fuck for less money than hiring a hooker (with OUR spouses), singles would outnumber the husbands, become disrespectfull with the wives (supposing they have some "right" to fuck 'em all), there would be fights... and ultimatelly, couples would stop attending the place, and if the place owners still wants it to keep running it and make money, they would end up bringing hookers for the only attendants, the crowd of single guys. The outcome: the very same one you're complying about, under your own assumptions: you'de be the only to pay in order to "have sex".

Now, when they charge you, this doesn't grant you the right to score. The club owners allow single guys in (IF they allow them at all) whith their ONLY customers in mind: the couples, and just because some of those couples are willing to play with singles.

You seem to be egocentric enough as to suppose you're the center of the universe, the only one able to provide us all sume fun, even if in the form of "allowing" us to "tease and humilliate" you. The fact is, no one cares about you as a single, nor the club owners, and even less the couples. No one is being "inspired" by the tought of you jacking off alone afterwards (again), nor how badly you balls hurts in your pants meanwhile, nor if you leave the place with a spot in your pants. No one even thinks of you. Moreover when you already proved you're not elegible as a playmate for ANY swinger.

Then, my friend, I AGREE with your advice: for those singles sharing your point of view about swinging it is wise to follow your advice. If not, they will end up hornly like hell, without scoring, "wasting" their money, alone, jacking off (again) afterwards... just as what happens to you.

And I am damn happy you reached to this conclusion, this means we'd face one jerk less, and luckily, if people like you follow your advice, a lot less jerks.

And dont worry, the singles who are trully into this, who knows and accept the rules, will give it a shit about your advice anyway. The outcome? Everyone would be way more happier.

So, I appreciate your effort. Thanks for such a wise advice!

[Tybee Swing]

Originally Posted by Thrax

Sorry, I never jumped through hoops, begged, or rolled over in the lifestyle.

Thrax baby, seriously now - didn't you ever have to do that 52.45 degree angle trick? I'll bet that you did it and even liked it.

[curiousagain]

Where to start? Decisions, decisions here.

I'm gonna say troll but respond anyway. My diet allows one "free" meal a week and I just had it with beer so.............

I recently kissed a Swinging woman's ass at about a 60 degree angle. She didn't complain, She sounded like she even liked it, I know I enjoyed it.

Let's talk money. Last time I went out on a group date (a bunch of singles) I got to have a meal and dance and shoot pool with a bunch of people, I bought my meal and a female friends. I bought my drinks and a couple for friends. I got to kiss and grope with a few females, watch a couple of women make out for a while, and woke up in bed with a very attractive woman the next day after a very pleasant night. The cost was about $130 and the experience was priceless. What do they charge a SM to get in a swing club? How much did you pay for gas this week? I had an $8 SANDWICH for lunch today. :surrender edit: BTW, it was a really good Reuben so it was worth it.

I don't let anybody treat me like a POS and don't treat other people that way either. But if a pretty woman wants me to kiss her ass I'm gonna try to remember to ask if she has a preference for the angle. As far as jumping through hoops and rolling over, any man that says he's never, ever, done that for some prize pootang is a liar or 12 years old. Ever wore your hair in the latest style, hit the gym, or been on a diet to try to be more attractive to the fairer sex? If not, maybe that's part of your problem.

I'm with Thrax, this is all pretty damn funny and now I will sit back and watch the show.

[cubnamy1995]

This almost smells of troll. who, seriously is that stupid? Well, think of it this way. If you let single guys in at the same charge as couples, what do you have? A meat-market club which is just like any other vanilla club out there.

I would happily pay more for my wife and I to attend a club that keeps idiots like this one out. Want to know why it is so hard for single guys in the lifestyle? Because sooner or later, we all meet a guy like you.

happy hunting!

[Thrax]

Originally Posted by Tybee Swing

Thrax baby, seriously now - didn't you ever have to do that 52.45 degree angle trick? I'll bet that you did it and even liked it.

Well, like I said, I didn't have to PAY to do it.

Thrax
P.S. And it was actually 48.95 degrees, although that adds some difficulty to the trick.