"PAY FOR THE PARTY"

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by spectraschain

As do the 'Gators...... :surrender

Amen

Spoomonkey

[aahours1]

That is one reason why we DO NOT allow or let single males into our social. They can get to demanding and to disrepsectful of OUR ladies. Lack of respect and lack of control. We ask a donation from all of our cpl/ppl the same amount. If you are a single male you MUST come with a cpl (male-female) to attend and they are responsible for that single male. If you get out of hand WE WILL walk you out and, respectfully, tell you NEVER to come back, without a refund of you donation. "NO MEANS NO" along with being respectfull and if you are not abiding by that rule, you are GONE.

[EternallySingle]

Originally Posted by arioch

Is a single guy at a party really a swinger? Isn't he almost always just a lonely guy looking to score? I realize there are exceptions to this, I was one of those exceptions for a short time about 8-9 years ago The very one sided and heart felt response this initial trollish post has illicited pretty much says it all.

So, you were the only exception to the rule, exemplified by the fact that you got married, I suppose.

No offense, but the original poster is single because of his attitude, just like I am and just like you and every other married person in this world was. They were single because something about the way they saw life kept them from making a life with someone else...until they found that person that either saw life the way they did or found someone that changed their attitude on life.

For me, and most of the other regular single males that frequent this board, swinging has nothing to do lonliness. It has to do with doing something out of the ordinary, adventurous. Its about having FUN. PERIOD.

I'm sorry, but your comment is one of the few that really pisses me off, especially when it comes from a MAN that used to swing when he was single.

FOR THE ORIGINAL POSTER AND OTHER TROLLS
Fact: The lonely guys looking to score rarely return to swing clubs and rarely take the time to hang around and learn what more they have to do to swing other than tap people on the shoulder and ask them if they want to fuck. They never realize that there are bars and sometimes coffee shops they can go to in the inner city where they can walk up to women and get laid doing just that FOR FREE, either. Why? Those guys have no sense of adventure. They wouldn't last in a swing situation, so when they find out what it is about, they run when they find out women who swing have class and standards. They are ignorant.

They are also the minority, believe it or not. Its just that the majority of single men who want to swing and GET IT (as the ladies like to say) don't have the TIME to pine away looking for swing partners. They are too busy LIVING A LIFE with responsibilities and friends and hobbies and women they are trying to convince to try swinging because her sense of adventure seems to be as great or greater than his. The average single man who swings falls into two categories: He either was part of a couple, is now single for various reasons usually not under his control, and he still has a small group (maybe even only one couple and two single women) he swings with, or he is a single man that just happened to fall into the lifestyle and has enough friends that a monogamous relationship is not neccessary to have intimate personal friendships and steady sex life. Swinging tends to take care of both needs. Good friends and great sex partners.

you, JoJo, don't seem to fall into either group. You seem to be one of those guys that still hasn't learned how to pick up women. I'll give you a start. One, be brutally honest. Two, be funny. Three, don't say things to hurt people, say things to help them, even if their feelings might get hurt when they try to deny what you say. Four, KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! You don't have to know everything, just enough that most of the people can't say you are wrong. Five. STOP THINKING YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE SEX!!!!! You don't. You earn it, or you pay for it. Either way, you have to put out to get someone to put out Six. Make FRIENDS with women and don't try to have sex with them. They will teach you more about what to do and what not to do in order to get laid than any man ever could if you ONLY LISTEN TO THEM AND DO WHAT YOU SEE THAT WORKS WITH THE GUYS THAT ARE HAVING SEX WITH THEM.

Got it? Good.

[WesternSwing]

Originally Posted by jojo_man

Im a single guy too, but Im not quite as stupid or pathetic ( I am but won't admit it) as some of you other guys are. I've been reading about some of the swinging clubs and parties and all the "Rules" for single guys. Now I understand they don't want any jerks - and Im not a jerk - but like I said Im not stupid either. Most alll these clubs and parties only want the single guy for one thing and thats to "PAY FOR THE PARTY". They want your gawd dang $$$ but they don't want you. Then they want to belittle you and treat you like a POS make you kiss her azz at a 52.45 degree angle and get down on your hands and knees and lick her toe jamb to just get a chance to sniff her azz. I don't think they're "true" swinging women. A "true" swinging woman would be a fun loving woman with a heart full of "unconditional sweetness". Those are few and far in between.

So you single guys go ahead and let em treat you like a POS and empty out your wallet. If they aint going to treat you half way decent and treat you like your a human being and not like your dawg shhhit on the bottom of their shoe. Then just let em "PAY FOR THEir OWN DAMN PARTY".

They got some of you boys jumping through hoops, begging and rolling over like a dog on a leash. Well I got more gawd dang self respect and pride than that.

Wow, dude... you really don't get it. We love single men, and would love to entertain more of them, if there were more of them not like you in this post. You seem to have the (unfortunately) common attitude of many single males that swinging women are like porn chicks just waiting for the next cock to come along, and when you find out that isn't the case - that swinger women are just like single women you meet at bars and that you have to woo them the same way - you get all hurt and pissy that these women aren't on their knees begging for you to fuck them.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: dating in the swinger lifestyle is just like dating single women, EXCEPT you are dating a couple. The same rules of gentlemanship and courtesy apply. If you approach a swinger woman with the same courtesy you'd approach the hottie receptionist on the 3rd floor you are trying to get a date with, you'd get allot further. Just because a woman is a swinger doesn't mean she is your costar in some twisted porn fantasy you have going on inside your head. So don't act all hurt when you get shot down for having the exact attitude you seem to posses.

The idea of single men paying more for parties is not to make money off of you, but rather to discourage those not really serious about it from showing up. I've been to parties where even as a married male with my wife I've had to pay twice admittance as my wife just because I am a man and the hosts have wanted to keep it equal for all men. The couple price still end's up the same because my wife costs less to get in... but as a married man I pay the same as a single guy. Do I care? No. It keeps the blockhead single guys out of the party. And I could fill a book with bad experiences we've had with single guys at parties that thought my wife was their personal Jenna Jameson and not a person with feelings and desires just like you.

Mr. WS

[nice_cpl_n_bama]

Originally Posted by intuition897

Tell yourself what you like honey, but in the deep dark of the night when you're laying there all alone in bed wondering why you got your ass kicked out of the club again, a thought comes to you...maybe you're not as sweet a peach as you think you are.

Go get'em! That is priceless.

[fox412]

Wow. Guys like Jojo are one of the two things that worry me most about going to a club as a single woman. *shudder*

[Chip_n_Muffy]

Originally Posted by fox412

Wow. Guys like Jojo are one of the two things that worry me most about going to a club as a single woman. *shudder*

OK, now ya gotta tell us. What it the other thing?

Chip

[fox412]

Not knowing anyone and ending up sitting in a corner all night.

There's also the issue of self-consciousness and not living up to what everyone likes in a woman, but that's neither here nor there.

[spectraschain]

and not living up to what everyone likes in a woman

Aw, everyone likes anyone for a variety of reasons...I look for things in a woman that most men don't.
Jojo not withstanding, I doubt that

Not knowing anyone and ending up sitting in a corner all night

will be an issue for a single female...
You'll make plenty of friends....

[EternallySingle]

Originally Posted by fox412

Wow. Guys like Jojo are one of the two things that worry me most about going to a club as a single woman. *shudder*

Hey, guys like Jojo are one of the reasons single guys period have such a hard time getting other people who swing to trust them. I used to talk about guys like jojo and how everyone gets blinded by them and stops looking at single men as individuals. I see that's pointless now, because most people that used to be open to single men get so overwhelmed by guys like jojo, they give up on trying to meet them. The rest have already met their two or three SMFB so they too aren't looking to meet anyone else. Again, because they don't feel they have a reason to look for anyone new when most of the men they meet are immature, insensitive jerks.

Thats also his problem. He doesn't know how to see people as individuals. Everyone's a category, and that screws him up and makes him angry at something he thinks he should have jus by virtue of being there.

It all comes back to respect. If you don't treat people like people first, men or women second (and you have to treat them as the appropriate gender...treating a woman like a man doesn't work even if she dresses, talks, and says she is just one of the guys...and vice versa), and ask for clarification when someone seems to send a mixed message, you are going to be wrong 99% of the time.

Me, I'm not swinging at this time. Different priortities right now. Too me, its not worth the time and energy I could put to better use meeting single women that may or may not be interested in the lifestyle, and its not worth the time or money to takes travel across three states to the clubs where I believe I would still be welcome. Yes, that means I'm not serious about swinging. I'm only serious about relationships, and not necessarily the kind that leads to marriage or even long term dating. If I can't find that with the people I swing with (and for some reason the one couple I did have that with here in michigan moved first to Ohio, then to South Carolina for his job), its not worth the effort for the investment I have to make. Casual sex is casual sex. I can find that ANYWHERE! I find it everywhere. But swinging has a different dynamic that simply picking someone up in a bar doesn't have. Some guys never understand this. They are the ones that think going to a swingl club is the same as going to a brothel.

Then again, I've seen some well dressed, well groomed, wealthy men get thrown out of brothels in Nevada and Germany because of how they acted either when they showed up that day or when they were there before.

[acai&issa]

When I was single going to swinger events, I always left with a phone number or got me some because I DID NOT EXPECT SEX AT ALL. I never expected sex at swinger events simply because I don't need the crap with trying to conversate with a woman and they dont find me attractive enough but then they go and screw this ugly sea monster with black shit all on his teeth which is not a good look lol. I've gained my playmates simply by participating in contests such as the oral sex contest to display my skills and my reputation built from there BUT if the price is too high then really dont waste your time because from experience the single guys paid to get in and then were ignored all together but I either knew someone having the event or I went with a female companion for that couples discount lol

[Me_n_her_In_Mo]

Pay for the party?? --NO! Think about it dude, single males are a dime a dozen and would overrun an open party and drive all the couples and single ladies away. The open parties the mrs and I attend try to price out the low lifes by charging the single guys outrageously more. This has 2 affects,

1. Unless yer really hard up you aint payin that much for the opportuntity to get laid! But if you have friends at the party you will pay to attend.

2. Because you spent that kinda money to get into the party, you're not going to act up enuf to get yerself thrown out.

We've been to clubs and swinger's bars where it was almost a fist fight to get away from your kind of asshole. We even had one who had arranged a meeting as a couple, then showed with a story about his wife couoldnt make it and actually tried to follow us when we said no thanks and left.

Now we have met a number of nice respectful single guys and made some good friends with them. But on the whole, you have to keep the number of single guys in proportion to the single girls or the party will be FUBAR totally!