Single men are to be respected

I as do other single men get so sick and tired of all the whining about single men in the swinging arena. I t always the same old song and dance, and it is time for some things to be made clear.

Issue one: Married men with no female partner. So the man is married? Should you be seeking a male for MFM what difference does it make? A married man is concerned with being clean, discreet, and disease free. It is really none of your business if he is with or with out a partner. What if he is not getting sex at home? The fact his wife is not living up to her end of the bargain entitles him to get what he needs. She takes his paycheck, house, and expects him to help with chores and children! But she will not meet her part of the contract? So he is out seeking what a man is entitled too. His marriage is not your business please deal with it! With religious law and state law if you fuck someone you are not married to, you are committing adultery. It does not matter that you condone the date, watch the action, and encourage your mate to enjoy. It is a fact you are committing adulty! You dare condemn the man swinging with out his wife and call him a shark? Take your hypocritical argument someplace that is can fly!

Issue Two: The claimed lack of respect men have for wives and husbands. Well you expect the man to jump through a bunch of hoops like a circus animal. Just because your marriage is open to swinging you think you can wave your wife’s ass around, watch men want her, and laugh because they can't have her. How are you any different than a kid on a playground with a shiny new toy say nah nah nah you can’t play with it. You want respect act respectable it is that simple. Married people cry that the single men think of then as sex objects only? Well she is at a swing club, naked, and having sex! What we are not to look at her ass, hit on her? She is at the swing club to fuck, you go to a restaurant to eat, a gas station to get fuel, so you are at the party for sex. Throw a steak in a lion’s den and think it will not be eaten?

Issue Three: Single men are targets for scams. Single men make it so women and couple do not have to pay for ads. We want our due as well, you run free ads, we want the same advantage. The men say they are men when you email them, so you know it is a guy. You get a free ad then cry that men email you, well let me play the violin once more. Swing clubs charge single men more, and there are no women for them? However I have not heard one complaint for the benefits couples get financially from the swing community at the expense of single men.

Conclusion: married swingers are creating the very situations they complain about. They sit on a high horse and condemn others for doing EXACTLY what they do; they wave what they have in front of a bunch of lonely sex deprived men, and wonder why they misbehave. Finally married people enjoy all the benefits brought by single men, but do not want to pay back what is owed. So set there on your high horse, and act superior, while you ruin things for the majority of swingers, and eventually the swing community will suffer because of you are your selfish actions.

[JustAskJulie]

Interesting that you go on this rant about how we should respect single men but you don't even respect yourself enough to put your name on this post and post as registered user, instead you hide?

[supershadow]

So you attack the fact that it did not take my log in, not attack my arguements. Thank you for confirming that I am undeniably correct in my assessment of the single man situation.

[littlebit54]

[quote=Unregistered]

I as do other single men get so sick and tired of all the whining about single men in the swinging arena. I t always the same old song and dance, and it is time for some things to be made clear.

Single? I wonder why?

Issue one: Married men with no female partner. So the man is married? Should you be seeking a male for MFM what difference does it make? A married man is concerned with being clean, discreet, and disease free. It is really none of your business if he is with or with out a partner. What if he is not getting sex at home? The fact his wife is not living up to her end of the bargain entitles him to get what he needs.

Married and not getting any at home? I wonder why?

She takes his paycheck, house, and expects him to help with chores and children! But she will not meet her part of the contract? So he is out seeking what a man is entitled too. His marriage is not your business please deal with it! With religious law and state law if you fuck someone you are not married to, you are committing adultery. It does not matter that you condone the date, watch the action, and encourage your mate to enjoy. It is a fact you are committing adulty! You dare condemn the man swinging with out his wife and call him a shark? Take your hypocritical argument someplace that is can fly!

Adultery? Grounds for divorce...let her have it all and stay out of shark infested waters if you don't like your environment!

Issue Two: The claimed lack of respect men have for wives and husbands. Well you expect the man to jump through a bunch of hoops like a circus animal. Just because your marriage is open to swinging you think you can wave your wife’s ass around, watch men want her, and laugh because they can't have her. How are you any different than a kid on a playground with a shiny new toy say nah nah nah you can’t play with it. You want respect act respectable it is that simple. Married people cry that the single men think of then as sex objects only? Well she is at a swing club, naked, and having sex! What we are not to look at her ass, hit on her? She is at the swing club to fuck, you go to a restaurant to eat, a gas station to get fuel, so you are at the party for sex. Throw a steak in a lion’s den and think it will not be eaten?

I feel your sour grapes!

Issue Three: Single men are targets for scams. Single men make it so women and couple do not have to pay for ads. We want our due as well, you run free ads, we want the same advantage. The men say they are men when you email them, so you know it is a guy. You get a free ad then cry that men email you, well let me play the violin once more. Swing clubs charge single men more, and there are no women for them? However I have not heard one complaint for the benefits couples get financially from the swing community at the expense of single men.

With an attitude like yours i doubt you could afford to pay someone to be with you in any way, shape or form...just my opinion!

Conclusion: married swingers are creating the very situations they complain about. They sit on a high horse and condemn others for doing EXACTLY what they do; they wave what they have in front of a bunch of lonely sex deprived men, and wonder why they misbehave. Finally married people enjoy all the benefits brought by single men, but do not want to pay back what is owed. So set there on your high horse, and act superior, while you ruin things for the majority of swingers, and eventually the swing community will suffer because of you are your selfish actions.

Conclusion: flaming trol looking for trouble!

[PAyoungCPL]

wow sounds like someone needs laid, eh.

While im not an expert on swinging and have only participated in the lifestyle for a few years i do have my own half-assed opinion to this thread and since im bored and have nothing to do at this time here it is. i will just say sorry ahead of time cause this is bound to piss someone off.

I belive there is a certin level of trust expected within the lifestyle and going behind your spouses back raises a few red flags for most couples.
If the man you discribed is that unhappy being married there are these hidious but still needed things this country is full of called lawyers. A man is seeking the sex he deserves but the couple should not expect any honesty hmmm yea, ok that makes sense. Oh wait im sober so it doesnt. Belive it or not some couples are looking for more than 24/7 screwing within the lifestyle and at clubs. Some people may be looking for friends that they can have fun with or without the clothes and may not be at the club just to check out how firm the beds are. I have never seen anyone i have seen in a club or have met outside a club wave thier wives ass around. Sure she may be doing it, but probably because she feels like it at the time. Besides she may not be doing the whole ass wave thing to turn you on but to turn on the hot lady behind you. Yea that is a pretty far out concept that you seemed to overlook. But i guess a female swinger being bi is an extreme rare event. I cant speak for everyone out there but we go to swinger events not so i could get some ass or her some hot stud but so she can experance some equipment that my sex just doesnt come standardly equiped with. The #1 reason we enjoy going to clubs is for the general atmosphere. We like the idea that we could go to a place and act in ways the general public would frown apon and hang out with like minded people. Where else could your wife compliment anouther women on her cute ass and no one think twice about it or judge you like they would in say red lobster. If we met up with anyone it is an added bonus for us. I never seen an attractive women in a club and thought wow shes attactive and at a swingers club that must mean shes easy and since im here she owes it to me to fuck my brains out.(well in your case that maynot be an option).

???how are single men getting scamed????
you know the price ahead of time right?
you know thier are ALOT more couples looking for couples ahead of time right?
you know alot of couples/single females do not want to be herassed by single
men that they could find on there own with no problem. A dime a dozen for single males seems a bit over priced. And since there is no lack of manpower out there why wouldnt a couple be picky and want everything from a single male like honesty(yea i relize how you feel on that one), decent looks, respectible/literate (you know that part that is usally there saying no single males but they still write anyways), some one who is descrete and so on and so on.

Interesting, swing clubs charge single men you say and dont have women there willing to screw every swinging dick that comes in the door and pays the donation. Ahh i see what the problem your having is. You mixed up swingclubs and the lifestyle and the people within it for BROTHELS, PIMPS and HOs. Now if you stop spending your hard earned money that your wife doesnt take on swingclubs and online adds and go to somewhere like the bunnyranch your odds of getting some action will increase dramaticly.

ok thanks for spending your time reading my ranting and have a great day

[curiousagain]

Where to start???? Maybe in the order these softballs were thrown??

Issue one: Married men or women having sex outside their marriage without their partner's permission are cheaters. Many of the swingers work hard and give up some opportunities to maintain their discretion. Playing with a married man is not in their best interest. So you and your wife had a bargain in that she takes your paycheck, house, etc. and in return provides you with sex? That isn't a marriage, that is a financial arrangement usually referred to as prostituion. If someone is having sex with you, your marriage is their business. Because when the shit hits the fan and it will, they will get some on them too. People get shot over crap like that, and drug through the rumor mill and the newspapers. Religious and state laws?? Hmm, I have committed fornication with a couple of single females this week and just drove my bike at 90 mph in a 55mph zone. yeah, I'm really concerned about those. Take YOUR hypocritical comments some place else.

Issue Two: Yes, some couples bring on themselves the lack of respect but, some don't. If you wave a red flag, the bull will charge, but I see too many women who don't wave the red flag get charged anyway. Women expect men to jump through hoops for sex? When did that start happening?? ROFLMAO You act like this is new or something. Yes, someone is on a website or at a swing club to have sex. Doesn't mean it's with you or everyfuckingbody else. Maybe she finds you repulsive. Just because you're at a swing club you think you have to fuck every female there irregardless of how you feel about her?????

Issue three: You have now figured out you are a scam target by some people. Welcome to reality pal, we all are. Keep both hands on your money, both eyes open, Don't want to be separated from your money? Stop handing it over. (start the violins) Did anybody hold a gun on you and make you do it???




OK, couples do benefit from some of the financial screwing single men allow to happen on some sites and some clubs. The answer to that is don't go there!!! Vote with your feet and your money. If you aren't getting your money's worth at a store you go to another store. Yes, I do somewhat agree in that if you put naked pics of your wife on a swing site you better have some pretty thick skin.

Stick a fork in me, I'm done.

Curiousagain

[PAyoungCPL]

breaking news, supershadow or suppershaddy? tonight at 11.

[JustAskJulie]

No actually I didn't feel the need to even address your arguments since you posted as unregistered. But since you have taken the time to register and take credit for your comments, I will take the time to address them.

I as do other single men get so sick and tired of all the whining about single men in the swinging arena. I t always the same old song and dance, and it is time for some things to be made clear.

Are you single or married? You state that you are single, yet in your profile you say you are married, so which is it?

Issue one: Married men with no female partner.

If he's married he has a partner. If he is attempting to have sex with others without her then he is cheating, plain and simple.

So the man is married? Should you be seeking a male for MFM what difference does it make?

Simple. If a couple is seeking a M for a MFM threesome they are doing so together with the consent an agreement of each other, not behind one anothers back. Since they have CHOSEN to be honest with one another then it is their prerogative to expect that those they play with are being honest as well, not only with them but with their spouse/partner.

A married man is concerned with being clean, discreet, and disease free. It is really none of your business if he is with or with out a partner.

Why not? Why is it none of our business if he is married and cheating on his wife at home? If he is willing to lie to the person he claims to love the most then who is to say that he is not lying to us and who knows about what?

What if he is not getting sex at home?

Not my problem. That is his problem and not one that I want to be brought into the middle of. He needs to clean his own house and I am not going to be responsible for what he is lacking at home. Perhaps he should put as much energy into finding out why his wife doesn't want to have sex with him as he is into trying to find someone else to replace her in the bedroom?

The fact his wife is not living up to her end of the bargain entitles him to get what he needs. She takes his paycheck, house, and expects him to help with chores and children! But she will not meet her part of the contract?

I'm sorry but since when is SEX the one thing that she is supposed to be doing? Did she not raise those children? Does she not work outside of the home as well as in the home? She has chores to do as well. If you have so many problems with your wife not living up to her end of the marriage agreement then perhaps you should leave?

So he is out seeking what a man is entitled too.

Who says he is entitled to it? Maybe if he made an effort at home he would get it. Maybe if he made his wife feel like she was more than just an object she would be happy to enjoy sex with him. But instead he makes her feel like her one objective is to please him sexually?

His marriage is not your business please deal with it!

You are correct there. And since his marriage is not my business I choose to stay out of it completely and not be brought into the middle of his failed relationship or be put in a position where my own actions may make it worse.

With religious law and state law if you fuck someone you are not married to, you are committing adultery. It does not matter that you condone the date, watch the action, and encourage your mate to enjoy. It is a fact you are committing adulty!

You are correct there as well. Most of us are breaking state laws. But then we also break laws when we don't wear seatbelts. That's a choice we make. But when it comes to what two people do in the bedroom that is their choice and if they choose to break a law then that is their business. That doesn't mean that they have to help someone else break a law. If you ask most swingers they will tell you that in their eyes they are not breaking any moral laws because they are being honest with each other. They are not defiling the marriage bed because they are being honest. You are not being honest.

You dare condemn the man swinging with out his wife and call him a shark? Take your hypocritical argument someplace that is can fly!

No actually I call him a cheater.

Issue Two: The claimed lack of respect men have for wives and husbands. Well you expect the man to jump through a bunch of hoops like a circus animal. Just because your marriage is open to swinging you think you can wave your wife’s ass around, watch men want her, and laugh because they can't have her. How are you any different than a kid on a playground with a shiny new toy say nah nah nah you can’t play with it. You want respect act respectable it is that simple. Married people cry that the single men think of then as sex objects only? Well she is at a swing club, naked, and having sex! What we are not to look at her ass, hit on her? She is at the swing club to fuck, you go to a restaurant to eat, a gas station to get fuel, so you are at the party for sex. Throw a steak in a lion’s den and think it will not be eaten?

So basically you are saying that if we swing we should do so with any and every person who wishes to swing with us? Nope, don't think so, that argument just doesn't fly. Just because we go to a swing club to fuck, doesn't mean we went there to fuck YOU (and that part really doesn't matter if you are married, single, cheating or otherwise).

Issue Three: Single men are targets for scams. Single men make it so women and couple do not have to pay for ads. We want our due as well, you run free ads, we want the same advantage. The men say they are men when you email them, so you know it is a guy. You get a free ad then cry that men email you, well let me play the violin once more. Swing clubs charge single men more, and there are no women for them? However I have not heard one complaint for the benefits couples get financially from the swing community at the expense of single men.

But you aren't single. Swinging is expensive whether you are a couple or a single. WHat it really comes down to is that guys pay regardless of whether or not they are single. It's just that if they bring a woman the woman gets in free. So yes there is gender bias. Swinging is a COUPLES sport. Sites that are created to promote swinging are geared towards couples and towards pleasing couples whether or not they are run on a pay model. Why do some sites and clubs charge more for single guys? TO keep them away, plain and simple. To make sure that those who do get through the door are seriously interested and not just there playing games. DOes it work? I'm sure it doesn't all of the time, but I'm sure it does some of the time. Since swinging is a COUPLES sport, web sites and clubs have to be geared towards pleasing their main customers (COUPLES) and for most that means decreasing the number of single males that are banging on the door. If a website is geared towards swinging and has 70% single males on it then couples are going to go somewhere else, unless that is what they are looking for... but for most couples that is simply NOT the case.

Finally married people enjoy all the benefits brought by single men, but do not want to pay back what is owed.

So you are saying that couples OWE sex to the single males? Wow. I can't even dignify that one with a response.

[curiousagain]

Good grief, can't keep up with the post.

Can I clarify something for ya shaddow??

You are not SINGLE!!! You are married. When guys like you try to lump yourself in with single men, it pisses me off waay more than the couples can ever be pissed off about it. I am a single male. I am divorced. I am unmarried. I do not have a steady girlfriend. I am not in an exclusive relationship with anybody. I am SINGLE!!!!!

You are MARRIED!!!! comprendo??????
M-A-R-R-I-E-D!!!!!! big difference. Maybe the fact you can't tell the difference is why your wife won't share sex with you???
oh, I am too made to type.
Curiousagain

[Spoomonkey]

I agree - single men often deserve more respect than they receive. Some do, in fact, actually earn it. Some - on the other hand - do not.

What is difficult to respect... Whiney married men who can't make their wives happy but still call themselves "real men"... When you can peak her interest, you'll be able to see the mountaintop of what it takes to please one of our wives... That mountaintop will be far, far away - in the clouds, perhaps - but visible in a fuzzy sort of way...

Good luck with that!

Come back and let us know how that goes, will ya?

Spoomonkey

[curiousagain]

Evidently I was too mad to spell it too!!!

My apologies to everyone for venting on this obvious troll.

Tell me shadow, when you were 18, did you think you would be trapped in a loveless marriage of your own making and be without the balls and self respect to end it? Did you realize that NO ONE else in the world gives a soaring rodent's dierriere about your problems???

OK, I am really done now, hand me the fork.

Curiousagain

[curious24]

Woh. Who peed in this guy's post toasties? IMO it's exacly this guy and his way of thinking that gives us nice single guys a bad rap. For me it's simple, respect the wishes of people who don't want single males or females or whatever. I don't contact couples unless it says in their profile that they want to talk to single guys. Then again there's that rare occasion that they contact me.

Seems to me this guy just needs to get over the fact that single males have a bad reputation in most social situations. Not just swingers but at bars, on other personal web sites, and just in general. I remember talking to a friend of mine who is on a friendster type of site and she says she get about 10 emails a day from guys. It's really insane. If only guys would stop being morons when it comes to the oppsite sex they would probably get more sex lol. But then again my gender really isn't all too smart haha

[jcbicouple]

Just to back "Curious" and "Curious" up: We think guys like you, a married moron are the reason single guys get a bad rap. Frankly, There are two main (The whole thing really did, but two stand out) things about this post that tic us off. 1st that you honestly think ANYONE would want to have sex with you. pleeeaaase! Not in a million years! You're an idiot! No wonder your wife wont do you.....You should feel blessed if she allows you to sleep in the same bed!
2nd is what we already said above: Married is not single and frankly most of the guys that contact us in a rude manor are married idiots. YOU are the reason that single men have to pay more, YOU are the reason that single men get ignored by couples that might otherwise consider a mmf, YOU are the cause of everything you ranted about.
Speaking as a couple that has sex with lots of SINGLE males: We've dumped more than one idiot like you and we will continue to do so! SINGLE, POLITE males will continue to get our attention (as well as the ass that's being shaken!)

[OhioCouple]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

. Finally married people enjoy all the benefits brought by single men, but do not want to pay back what is owed.

OMGoodness!! I am flat out speechless!! After three years of being around here, this has got to be the best of the worst lines I've ever read.

[adventureUS2]

This guy is the reason most people dont want to meet single males. I feel bad for the good single guy this man represents