Single men are to be respected

[JustAskJulie]

He doesn't represent single males. He's a married male, who wishes he could cheat with swinging couples but they won't accept him.

[hotblonde47]

I've been away at Desire for a week - that's a new thread, shortly, but.... checking back in and reading Supershadows thread I wanted to .... well take him to a small room and beat the "whatever" out of him, never mind he'd probably like that and I guess everyone else so far has verbally done that too. What an asshole! But just to add my two pennies worth ... one of our first swinging experiences was MFM and its been so good its been ongoing and from reading other threads here I know we were very, very lucky. I think there is great respect in both directions in our personal situation. We have very few rules about swinging but the major one is that ALL parties are aware. We take emotional and physical risks but if someones spouse is not aware of their activities they are taking those risks without knowing it. Doesn't work for us.

[akamgaxoxo]

I wish I could say something here that would be remotely different than anything else that has been said here today regarding this post. But alas, I cannot! I totally agree with what most have said here about supershady or whatever the name was. You know, I am sure you felt better after your rant and rave....and you thought you pissed people off...but not everyone treats their single male friends like dirt, or a "sex toy".....this has been our motto from the beginning that we are open and honest with our friends, and expect them to be as well! Like issues of whether they have girlfriends or not, or their sexual past, or their fantasies and preferences. We as a couple are very open with one another, and expect the very similar with our friend. We do not condon cheating, as we agree that if you have issues at home or with your S/O then you need to address them on your own, and not drag us into it. We want our friend to have the best, but not be clouded in judgement by thinking of us, but by thinking of what is best for themselves. So this is why we won't play with cheaters or drama kings/queens!
I think for the most part your whining is unjustified, and just by your attitude alone, you ARE going to get the treatment you deserve by couples in this lifestyle as it shows you can't handle the heat! Sorry to say that, but it bears being said.

[WesternSwing]

This post stinks like a troll, but I can't resist the chance to retort to such a sad post. It sounds like supershadow is pissed at his wife because he isn't getting any, then pissed at swingers because we don't give him any, either. I will give him that it is very readable though.

Originally Posted by supershadow

I as do other single men get so sick and tired of all the whining about single men in the swinging arena. I t always the same old song and dance, and it is time for some things to be made clear.

Issue one: Married men with no female partner. So the man is married? Should you be seeking a male for MFM what difference does it make? A married man is concerned with being clean, discreet, and disease free. It is really none of your business if he is with or with out a partner. What if he is not getting sex at home? The fact his wife is not living up to her end of the bargain entitles him to get what he needs. She takes his paycheck, house, and expects him to help with chores and children! But she will not meet her part of the contract? So he is out seeking what a man is entitled too. His marriage is not your business please deal with it!

Where is sex written into a marriage contract? Oh, right, with some patriarchal religions a woman is to submit to a man whenever, and however he feels fit. This statement is just shear lack of respect for women.

Originally Posted by supershadow

With religious law and state law if you fuck someone you are not married to, you are committing adultery. It does not matter that you condone the date, watch the action, and encourage your mate to enjoy. It is a fact you are committing adulty! You dare condemn the man swinging with out his wife and call him a shark? Take your hypocritical argument someplace that is can fly!

This has nothing to do with religious doctrine or state law. We are not talking about adultry, we are talking about ethics. Right vs. wrong. Cheating on your spouse is wrong, regardless of what religon or law dictates.

Originally Posted by supershadow

Issue Two: The claimed lack of respect men have for wives and husbands. Well you expect the man to jump through a bunch of hoops like a circus animal. Just because your marriage is open to swinging you think you can wave your wife’s ass around, watch men want her, and laugh because they can't have her. How are you any different than a kid on a playground with a shiny new toy say nah nah nah you can’t play with it. You want respect act respectable it is that simple. Married people cry that the single men think of then as sex objects only? Well she is at a swing club, naked, and having sex! What we are not to look at her ass, hit on her? She is at the swing club to fuck, you go to a restaurant to eat, a gas station to get fuel, so you are at the party for sex. Throw a steak in a lion’s den and think it will not be eaten?

You are right, we are at a swing club to have sex. BUT, this does not mean sex with anyone and everyone. Get it? I never said you can't look at my wife's ass, or even hit on her. But she's not going to have sex with you just because you're there. She has to have a reason to have sex with you. We have to be looking for a MMF, or just a MF with a single guy and her. And some are not into that. Some want MFMF and that's it. And some are not attracted to you, just like you're not attracted to every woman.

Originally Posted by supershadow

Issue Three: Single men are targets for scams. Single men make it so women and couple do not have to pay for ads. We want our due as well, you run free ads, we want the same advantage. The men say they are men when you email them, so you know it is a guy. You get a free ad then cry that men email you, well let me play the violin once more. Swing clubs charge single men more, and there are no women for them? However I have not heard one complaint for the benefits couples get financially from the swing community at the expense of single men.

In our opinion, a single guy who pays for an ad is a notch up on the attraction scale. This shows he is serious about swinging, not just some jerk lurking for free pics or wanting to get some because he is such an ass that even the woman he married no longer wants to have sex with him.

Originally Posted by supershadow

Conclusion: married swingers are creating the very situations they complain about. They sit on a high horse and condemn others for doing EXACTLY what they do; they wave what they have in front of a bunch of lonely sex deprived men, and wonder why they misbehave. Finally married people enjoy all the benefits brought by single men, but do not want to pay back what is owed. So set there on your high horse, and act superior, while you ruin things for the majority of swingers, and eventually the swing community will suffer because of you are your selfish actions.

The basis of your whole argument is that all couples are looking for single guys for MMF sex. We're not. Period. End of story. We are not here to fulfill your deprived fantasies or to make it so an asshole, ugly, or otherwise unattractive man can get laid because he is too much of any or all of the above that no other woman wants to fuck them.

My wife is not your personal porn star. She is not easy. We don't swing so she can get some on the side. We swing to add spice to our already great sex life. We swing with couples because she likes to watch me with other women as much as I like watching her with others (both men and women). It's about US, not just HER, and with your attitude, SURELY NOT ABOUT YOU. We've met single men that if we decide to go that route will be the first we call, because they are the anti-supershadow.

Mr. WS

I sounds to me like someone needs to get laid.

Wether or not you think couples rules about single (or married but playing alone) males are justified or not, They have them for a reason.

Do you want to know where they came from?
Dealing with single men.
Yup, thats right my friend.

If you want to be pissed at someone about how single men are treated find a mirror or track down the ton of single/married men out there that that give you guys such a bad rap.

There are a few good men out there and I can safely assume from your post you are not one of them.

Is lumping all single men into one category sterotyping?
You bet your ass it is.
Like it or not, cry about it all you want, that's life.
After being burned more than once it's hard to give them the benefit of the doubt.
It's the single men out there that are fakes , cheaters, & assholes that cause couples to make all single men "Prove" themselves.
Your venting your anger in the wrong direction.
Have a good day.

[supershadow]

Is lumping all single men into one category sterotyping?
You bet your ass it is.
See this is my point exactly Married folks wave it under their nose and say ha ha ha I got it you dont. Maybe for this attitude you should be taken in the back room and taught a thing or too.

You act like this you deserve to get burn, you do not deserve to have GOOD friends because this is how you treat people.. you are your own enemy hipocrit!

So get off the high horse, and be considerate to others..no wait you cant it is too hard for you, because you talk the talk but do not walk the walk.
so you increase the reason single men must try everything they can to survive. You are the one who waves a steak in the lions den and cried he got bit! law of nature pal

You have a nice day!

:rollseyes More of the same from this guy:



If couples bother you so much what are you doing here? It seems all you want to do is yell at everyone.

If you trying to be a champion for the single males in the swinging world you aren't doing a very good job.

I'm done with this one.

[supershadow]

Well if singles piss you off so much why are you in the single swingers thread?

If you are trying to champion for couple YOU are falling short.

You are done replying because you know you are losing the battle and the war. Retreat is your only face saving option.

You are attacking me personally not the issues, because name calling is a desperate attempt to cloud the issue, and rebuild your damaged ego, by placing a "victory" in your own mind.

You did not counter the fact that you are acting like a kid on the play ground waving your shiny new toy saying nah nah you cant play with it. No this is not "sour grapes " on my part, it is an observation.

In your mind men of honor and men of quality do not exist, because you fear competition. Do you feel that all white people can not dance? Afro-Americans all listen to snoop dog? All Hispanic people eat tacos? All Germans are NAZI's? So stero-typing does not weaken your quality if life? If you are white, do you feel you have the right to walk in Harlem with a white power banner? This is what you do to single men who swing. So when you see a person of differnt nationality do you instantly say " oh God, here we go again?" It is what you do to single male who swing?

Just fuel for thought.

Have the best damn day of your life

[WesternSwing]

Other than the fact that you are articulate, and your posts are well thought out, you are dead wrong. Here's the bottom line:

1. Your marriage is not ideal right now and you aren't getting any.
2. You're looking to cheat.
3. You're angry at swinging couples because you think they should be easy and they're not, and they're not willing to help you cheat, so once again you aren't getting any.
4. You are angry.
5. You need counseling before this anger gets out of hand. Maybe some together with the wife (if the reasons you are not getting any are emotional or psychological and not physiological).

Have a great life

Mr. WS

[jcbicouple]

Originally Posted by supershadow

Well if singles piss you off so much why are you in the single swingers thread?

If you are trying to champion for couple YOU are falling short.

You are done replying because you know you are losing the battle and the war. Retreat is your only face saving option.

You are attacking me personally not the issues, because name calling is a desperate attempt to cloud the issue, and rebuild your damaged ego, by placing a "victory" in your own mind.

You did not counter the fact that you are acting like a kid on the play ground waving your shiny new toy saying nah nah you cant play with it. No this is not "sour grapes " on my part, it is an observation.

In your mind men of honor and men of quality do not exist, because you fear competition. Do you feel that all white people can not dance? Afro-Americans all listen to snoop dog? All Hispanic people eat tacos? All Germans are NAZI's? So stero-typing does not weaken your quality if life? If you are white, do you feel you have the right to walk in Harlem with a white power banner? This is what you do to single men who swing. So when you see a person of differnt nationality do you instantly say " oh God, here we go again?" It is what you do to single male who swing?

Just fuel for thought.

Have the best damn day of your life

LMAO! As a white couple we can not stand up and declare that we are black, or state that we have been discriminated against for it...and as a MARRIED man you can not stand up and declare that you are single, or that you have been discriminated against for it! Maybe the issue you are trying to address needs to be stated more clearly: You are not speaking for SINGLE men! You are speaking for cheating men! Stop trying to tell everyone that you are something that you are not, and maybe you'd have a chance to address your issues. You probably won't like what you hear which is why you keep trying to say you're single. Obviously, from the previous posts, single men do get some respect and are defended by at least some of us. People who are cheating and lieing to their spouse are not trustworthy. That's the sad fact, and you fall into that category. Single men do not, and people like you trying to represent them is really bad for them!
Beyond that: To say that couples should play with anyone other than who they chose is an insult. Everyone has their own preferences, whether that be couples, single females, single males or whatever! It does not have to include you, or anyone like you. Grow up!

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by Mr&Mrs-naughty

I sounds to me like someone needs to get laid.

Okay - I had sex three times yesterday with the most incredible woman I know... But I am still raising my hands...

All four of them...



Spoomonkey

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by supershadow

If you are trying to champion for couple YOU are falling short.

Gee - let's do the math... You are a guy who can't even get laid at home...

Mr & Mrs Naughty are a couple who not only have a solid relationship, they are also a great-looking couple that never seems to be at a loss for playmates... Not to mention that many of the members of this board would consider them friends and highly repsect their ideas...

The bonus being that I for one would gladly drive to Texas to meet them, with Mrs Spoomonkey riding shotgun and urging me to drive faster...

I'd say that makes the people's champion...

Long live the Naughties! Champions of the thread!

Do you guys want belts or trophies?

Spoomonkey

Thanks Spoo!!

We also had sex countless times yesterday & the night before that with a SINGLE MALE & another couple. (But you know how we feel about single guys)

[curiousagain]

Spoomonkeys!!! I can be in Memphis, with my thumb out and my pack over my shoulder!!!

Don't worry, it's ok to pick up some hitchhikers. LOL

[RuCoupleFromAu]

Originally Posted by supershadow

You did not counter the fact that you are acting like a kid on the play ground waving your shiny new toy saying nah nah you cant play with it. No this is not "sour grapes " on my part, it is an observation.

Wow, you must be living in a wonderful place. Looks like swinging couples are walking the streets there telling everyone about the great lifestyle they have ... tracking down single males and teasing them with detailed descriptions of fun they have.

Or, maybe, you have to search for couples, place ads, write emails, seek permissions to visit clubs etc? Then the situation looks different ... No one is waving shiny toys, but you are following other kids and begging them to let you play with theirs ... is it their fault that they have shiny toys and you broke yours?