"Dr. Phil, I've seen your show on swinging and threesomes and I'm here to challenge you. I'm a sex therapist. [You] definitely made alternative lifestyles sound dirty, bad and an evil thing — and it's not. Dr. Phil, you are being judgmental," says Robyn.
"You know, Dr. Phil, the more I think about that show on threesomes, the more I disagree with you. Dr. Phil, there are plenty of ways to have a good time in bed. Come on! Loosen up a little!"
"You're telling me that you feel that it is proper advice to tell someone to bring a third person into their bed, sexually, and that can be a good thing? Is that what you're here telling me?" Dr. Phil asks.
"I'm not here to say that as a therapist I'm going to tell people to have threesomes," says Robyn. "I'm here to say that your comment that it is never, ever, ever healthy or good — ever — for any couple is wrong."
One person in the audience starts clapping. Everyone laughs.
"There are millions of people out there that are very successfully having other advanced sexuality in their marriage and I thought it was wrong for you to say never, ever ..." continues Robyn.
"Listen, I'll just play word games with you all day, but if you're going to tell me that 'advanced sexuality' is bringing some jackleg into my bedroom with my wife, if that's advanced sexuality, then put me back in the first grade because ain't nobody getting in my bed!" Dr. Phil exclaims. "Are you kidding me?"
"No," says Robyn.
"You're serious. You think that's advanced sexuality?" he asks. "That a couple makes a commitment to one another ... and then along the way they say, "Well, things aren't going well, come on down!'"
"No," she says. "That's the wrong reason."
"Even if they agree, if they're two consenting people that are both saying they're OK with this, then I think they're both wrong," says Dr. Phil.
After the audience applauds, Robyn says, "But have you ever been to an alternative lifestyles convention? Have you ever been places where people are happy bringing other people in their relationships?"
"No. I would be afraid I would catch something!" says Dr. Phil.
Dr. Phil plays some clips where he advises couples to do everything they can do spice up their sex lives — everything except bringing a third party into their relationship.
"I'm just saying, as a therapist, I have seen hundreds of people that are happy," says Robyn. "And all I'm saying to you is that I think you should not be quite so firm with your answer and judgmental before you talk to people that are happy having alternatives in their life."
Dr. Phil doesn't believe he's judgmental. "If somebody tells me that's what they're doing, I may say, 'I believe that that behavior is not constructive, it is not healthy, it will not lead you to a good place.'"
"But as a therapist, how can you say that?" asks Robyn. "That's not your job as a therapist."
"I'm not doing therapy; I'm trying to raise awareness," says Dr. Phil. "I'm trying to educate people about what they're thinking about, talking about and doing, and I think I have a responsibility to tell my viewers what I think and what I know from experience and research about something they may be contemplating to do. And if I'm sitting there knowing that if a couple brings a third person into the bedroom that one of them is most likely going to wind up feeling rejected, jealous, hurt, intruded upon in some way, and I know that it is highly likely that this is going to be the outcome — and you know that too — then I think I have a duty and a responsibility to say that."
"Have you ever been to a convention?" Robyn asks. "Have you ever talked to these people? What books have you read about the lifestyle? I just don't think you are educated."
"Well, I appreciate your point of view," Dr. Phil tells her.