Wife won't swing enough for my tastes

[neoparadigm]

thanks but I'll manage my time as I see fit and not how you see fit..
Swinging is about letting go of control not assuming it..

maybe that advice you will find helpful..

Now... how often does everyone swing?

[TeamSoBe]

To answer your question, my attidute is different than most of the men or husbands with their wives..

Right, they treat their wives with respect. You treat your girlfriend like a (free) whore.

MFM can be simpler than MFMF but not always. FMF is often the simplest. Depends on the people. You may like MFM over MFMF or FMF because you don't relate well with women except with your dick. I like FMF better because I get along better with women than men. Personal preference. Has nothing to do with getting your girlfriend to turn tricks for free more often for you.

You're very into MFM when it's you getting another guy's girl. You don't seem to be at all interested in MFM with your girlfriend. You don't seem to even be interested in finding out what she's interested in.

[neoparadigm]

Actually, she is most into really hot chicks.. she likes to watch me dp and fuck other wives..
she does not like other men inside of her .. so she claims.. I am fine with MFM with her and she is courting a single guy on aff right now for this weekend in SF... to try and get over her current feelings about it.. I think she would prefer to not swing at all... but she knows that it is part of dating me.. I like it, and as a good partner she wants to please me..

I do want her to learn to enjoy it.. and I do want her to be comfortable with MFMF if possible..
I think most guys want a piece of her if I am going to fuck their wife.. I totally understand..
She has suggested I go back to AFF as a single with the stipulations that she comes along only to watch and not play.. not sure many couples would go for that.. there are a lot of women out there that just don't want another woman around period.. I know the math gets ugly when you bring in that 4th person into the mix..

It's not easy..

[TeamSoBe]

If my girlfriend didn't like dogs then I wouldn't make her spend every weekend with me at the dog park.

If I were a girl and I didn't like dogs and he made me spend every weekend at the dog park then I would keep dating single guys until I found a cat person. Or maybe a respectful dog person.

[curiousagain]

From my experience, women can let loose and enjoy swinging most when they are 100% confident in their partner's love for them and their willingness to put the relationship above any "recreational boot-knocking."

You simply don't give her any reason to be confident about those things...

You have a sexually open, capable woman who wants to make you happy - and you are pissing it away...


Swinging is about us - and there will be an "us" long after there is no longer swinging. If having an "us" is not important to you - quit manipulating, cut your loses and let your SO find what she is looking for in someone else...

Spoomonkey

A great Truth

A) Give it up until she is ready, if ever...or

B) Give up on her and look for someone else that can give you what you want.

Simple choice really, which do you want most?


Ted

Another great truth.

He's trying to get swinger couples to look him up next time they go to Vegas. He lives with his girlfriend in SF and therefore can't play there, but he travels to Vegas often alone and he figures that he can lie his way into some fun with some easy swinger women.

And yet another.

Should I go on? There are many many of them in replies to your original post, including that you're a troll. I think most people replying to you are doing it out of boredom or hopeing to make sure anyone new to swinging recognizes you for what you are and gets to read the truths they have replied with.

If you had really been with even a few swingers you wouldn't be asking the things you have and if you really had a woman who actually took care of you and stated and acted like she loved you, the frequency of your swinging wouldn't be in question. Unless of course you really are like you come across as in your post.

You know, it's people like you who have caused me to give up on message boards except for visiting this one occasionally. Rather than being "entertaining information" or "informative entertainment" people like you spread disinformation and cause aggravation to satisfy your own warped sense of entertainment and just cause me to have less and less faith in the species. Well, that and the fact that Jerry Springer still has high ratings.

But.......whatever, I won't waste any more time on threads with you in them and in that you may find some satisfaction, but not nearly as much as I will. You are like some high maintenance flower that without profuse attention will simply wither, die on the vine, and fade away.

[TeamSoBe]

I think most people replying to you are doing it out of boredom or hopeing to make sure anyone new to swinging recognizes you for what you are and gets to read the truths they have replied with.

...and yet another great truth.

[Spoomonkey]

We might even like to have sex with you? really..

With the relationship you guys have? The cheating - the lying - the inability to communicate or be on the same page...

No thanks.

The couples we play with are mostly like us - solid, mature, connected.

Spoomonkey

[Spoomonkey]

For Curious...

Yeah - boredom...

But it entertains and helps the beer go down

If she swings, she gets to keep dating me..

Ah - the beauty of conditional love, wrapped in the burrito shell of denial. She gets to keep dating you? How very magnanimous.

I am curious.. how often to soccer moms swing? Do soccer dad's like to more than their partners? Do you ever try to talk her into going even if she feels a bit tired or not quite in the mood? Do you ever try to persuade her if she is on the fence?
Is that manipulative? how to people deal with this? Does this cause resentment ever? These are the questions I have and would like to talk about..

No...

Either we both want to or neither will...

It is called respect...

Works like a charm

Spoomonkey

[intuition897]

let me set this straight..
I have never said that I want her to sleep with guys "I" pick out..! NEVER!
She is free to sleep with whomever she likes.. even you!

If she swings, she gets to keep dating me.. obviously she finds that attractive.
I have asked her this question several times.. not sure why she came back..she
says she loves me.. and I do believe her.. I really love her too..

We both want things to work out..

She IS open to swinging... we just went to an orgy in SF this last weekend..
We do seem to have different appetites for it ...hence the above thread and posts..

I am curious.. how often to soccer moms swing? Do soccer dad's like to more than their partners? Do you ever try to talk her into going even if she feels a bit tired or not quite in the mood? Do you ever try to persuade her if she is on the fence?
Is that manipulative? how to people deal with this? Does this cause resentment ever? These are the questions I have and would like to talk about..

someone bashing me and saying we are not swingers is not the purpose here..
of course we are swingers.. maybe not by your vanilla definition..

Is swinging all about Love? or is it just about Sex? I think that is a good question..

Fucking yourself silly - in my soccer mom opinion - doesn't make you a swinger. You really don't see anything wrong with anything you've said here, do you? You beg for respect here, but give none. There are so many things about your posts that I find disrespectful towards the members of this board that I wouldn't even know where to start quoting. The advice you were given here has addressed you as a person, and is given out of concern for your health and long-term happiness as a person. Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but deceitful are the kisses of an enemy. Would you rather we kiss your ass?

You keep picking through the advice and observations that have been given here and choosing the ones that come closest to stroking your ego. I'm sorry, but one can't help but notice the haughty overtones of condescension in your posts. The fact is, all your bragging about 150+ couples would put you off our playdar long before we had conversed long enough with you to find out you're completely narcissistic. Search my posts. You'll find that I'm not in the habit of bashing people who have not brought it on themselves. You can't look down your nose at people and expect them NOT to react to it. I can't help but get the feeling you don't think much of us, because we're mere soccer moms and dads. Peons. Peasants. This isn't insecurity talking, here, because I think the feeling is mutual. The idea that you determine someone's value on a "hotness" scale - how pretty they are, how many pornos or magazines they've been in, how many velvet ropes they've blown their way past, how many people they've fucked - is so foreign to me that it's almost cartoon-like. Life is not a porno.

Maybe we're not all cut out for all night gang-bangs, and the rest of the Porn Land amusement park you've described...but mister, you sure as hell wouldn't cut it in our world either, and I don't care if you look like Brad Pitt, have a cock like a horse, and have more money than an oil tycoon. It can't make up for the attitude. I guess I really can't offer you the advice you're looking for, because I simply cannot relate. Best of luck to you and your girlfriend.

[Spoomonkey]

in my soccer mom opinion

YOU'RE a soccer mom???



And all this time I thought it was an insult

*hubba*

Spoomonkey

[Thrax]

Hmmmm, maybe I should consider signing up to referee at the local soccer youth league. For purely altruistic reasons, of course.

Thrax

[neoparadigm]

thanks for your opinion... I do respect people here.. and I never said I didn't like having sex
wit soccer mom's.. I do..very much..

What I am saying is.. I think my situation is a bit left field here.. how many women here have hooked and done real pro porn? How many guys here have been torn between a seemingly
endless stream of erotic nights and the loving arms of a potential slut wife? If you can't relate, that is fine.. I was maybe hoping to find someone here who could speak from experience, and
not just frustrated soccer moms who swing out of boredom from there once dead beat husbands. If the sex is really so great at home and in love and all.. why not just stay in the old vanilla world? answer to all .... because swinging if fun, erotic, slightly scary, and maybe addictive. The return of the thrill of the chase, the mystery of the unknown.. all these and more..

I have admitted that I am having trouble giving all the hot strange pussy coming my way for one girl who promises me far less on a sexual level but more on a daily life level..

I may be unique here in that for most guys.. swinging offers an expansion of their horizons,
where for me.. it is the opposite is some ways..

I had sex with over 50 great women last year and really enjoyed it.. my girl is proposing going to a club once a month..or less.. that's a big cut in sushi dinners..

Now Iam not here to brag or boost my ego or I would just stay in that world..
I do want a relationship with an amazing woman.. so I am asking for advice from
people who can either relate or speculate with intellegence what it is we both have to
go through to get to a point where we are both on the same page.. any can enjoy our sex
lives freely and openly like you all seem to claim.. (gee I really wonder though)

[Thrax]

... I do respect people here...

Everybody sing the Thrax version:
R-E-S-P-E-C-T...

I was maybe hoping to find someone here who could speak from experience, and not just frustrated soccer moms who swing out of boredom from there once dead beat husbands.

...not quite what it means to me...

I had sex with over 50 great women last year and really enjoyed it.. my girl is proposing going to a club once a month..or less...that's a big cut in sushi dinners...

R-E-S-P-E-C-T...

Now I am not here to brag or boost my ego...

Take out the crap, speak honestly...

Sock it to me, sock it to me, sock it to me, sock it to me...

[AZ Dreaming]

Fucking yourself silly - in my soccer mom opinion - doesn't make you a swinger. You really don't see anything wrong with anything you've said here, do you? You beg for respect here, but give none. There are so many things about your posts that I find disrespectful towards the members of this board that I wouldn't even know where to start quoting. The advice you were given here has addressed you as a person, and is given out of concern for your health and long-term happiness as a person. Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but deceitful are the kisses of an enemy. Would you rather we kiss your ass?

You keep picking through the advice and observations that have been given here and choosing the ones that come closest to stroking your ego. I'm sorry, but one can't help but notice the haughty overtones of condescension in your posts. The fact is, all your bragging about 150+ couples would put you off our playdar long before we had conversed long enough with you to find out you're completely narcissistic. Search my posts. You'll find that I'm not in the habit of bashing people who have not brought it on themselves. You can't look down your nose at people and expect them NOT to react to it. I can't help but get the feeling you don't think much of us, because we're mere soccer moms and dads. Peons. Peasants. This isn't insecurity talking, here, because I think the feeling is mutual. The idea that you determine someone's value on a "hotness" scale - how pretty they are, how many pornos or magazines they've been in, how many velvet ropes they've blown their way past, how many people they've fucked - is so foreign to me that it's almost cartoon-like. Life is not a porno.

Maybe we're not all cut out for all night gang-bangs, and the rest of the Porn Land amusement park you've described...but mister, you sure as hell wouldn't cut it in our world either, and I don't care if you look like Brad Pitt, have a cock like a horse, and have more money than an oil tycoon. It can't make up for the attitude. I guess I really can't offer you the advice you're looking for, because I simply cannot relate. Best of luck to you and your girlfriend.

I sure wish I could express myself in written word as well as you do, Intuition!!



LOL Thrax!!

[Spoomonkey]

I was maybe hoping to find someone here who could speak from experience, and not just frustrated soccer moms who swing out of boredom from there once dead beat husbands.

Have you ever met a swinger?

I ask because you have no idea what we are like...

Spoomonkey