Christianity, politics & swinging

[Bach7C]

Greetings all.
My wife and I are considering attending a swinging event soon (probably "soft-swinging" at first). I am a Christian and conservative Republican. Are there others out there like me, or will I be the odd-man out? I'd be particularly interested in hearing from like-minded people.
I came across this website a few days ago, and have enjoyed reading the message boards.
Thank you.
Dan

[JustAskJulie]

There are tons out there like you. You should really check out the Liberated Christians website at http://www.libchrist.com

[lycioos]

Hi This is a VERY touchy subject here that has been discussed before. This can get pretty heated as there are a great deal of different opinions and personal beliefs involved. You may want to scan through some of the older topics. Or, maybe Julie (our hostess) who has recently changed our forum can quide you as to where it is. Good luck with your decision.

[Flori_DAMAN]

I also am a conservative christian. We attend church every Sunday and I make every effort to lead my life as I believe His will deems.

Now having said that there are two things I never do. I do not discuss religion at swing clubs and I do not discuss swinging at church.

The same holds true for politics. If someone happens to think like I do politically, I engage in discussions with that person. Usually we end up supporting each others beliefs and it can be great fun. However if they happen to disagree with me then I will drop the subject like a hot potato, or inevitably it will end up in a bitter argument leaving feelings of resentment and anger in its trail. There simply is no way to convert most people and the world needs diametricly opposing views to maintain stability. BUT, I don't need to argue at swing clubs about politics or religion.

So, it really doesn't matter what people feel regarding religion or politics when I am deciding whether they could be playmates or friends for that matter. John.

[danc694u]

Originally posted by michigancouple:
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The same holds true for politics. If someone happens to think like I do politically, I engage in discussions with that person. Usually we end up supporting each others beliefs and it can be great fun. However if they happen to disagree with me then I will drop the subject like a hot potato, or inevitably it will end up in a bitter argument leaving feelings of resentment and anger in its trail.</STRONG>

But!! There are those of us who will argue with you until we're blue in the face. Then... take what you have to say as your opinion. Then... check the validity of your arguement, for ourselves.

And, find that our belief is not all it's cracked up to be.

The only time a good debate should result in an all out arguement. Is when one or both parties do not have ALL the facts. Yet still blindly support their arguement.

HR 1542 is a good point of case.

[stucazzu]

Dear Bach,
As a Christian who attempts to authentically live his faith, I would like to respond to your remark. As a Christian, if your motive is purely your own pleasure, then you don't belong in a club swinging. If you are there to enhance your sex life as a couple so as to strengthen your relationship, then it is good. Soft swinging is clearly easier and more consistent with Christian way than hard swing. But again, look at the motivation and the focus.

[Lorrie]

I'm of the Nazirene (Pre-Christian) faith, which is a Christian-like group, only we are a lot more liberal when it comes to sex and we don't read the Bible; we read another book....I consider myself Independent, although I lean toward conservativism. But my main lover, Jay, is an atheist and liberal.

[bill&sabrina]

I am not a Christian, or at least I don't "label" myself as one. I believe in God and a savior, but like I said prefer not to associate myself with any certain group because of the old saying "one bad apple spoils the bunch". You will meet others like you, and I will imagine that they will do as was already done; try to tell you what you can and can't do as a swinger. I hope that you will have the courage as I do to tell them that you take your instructions from God. Not another imperfect human being like myself. I do love it that people on this board are proudly proclaiming their faith.
Bill

[good times]

We are not church goer's but aren't non believers either. Our politics lean more towards Liberitarian than anything else. It seems to me that swinging is like anything else in that you will find people from all walks of life and beliefs.

R

[Mary&Bill]

Hey there is nothing wrong with being a Christian or a Republican. Why should non-believers or Dems have all the fun.

We all come from different walks of life and we all have different experiences which is part of what makes our lifestyle choice fun and exciting.

So welcome. Who knows maybe I ll see you at the convention. And I don't mean the Republican Convention

Bill

[marco]

Hey Cool Cat,

Man, I feel your pain. You are not alone in this dilemma. We are 40ish couple, married for 19 years and are republicans. We attend church and are both christians. Allow me to begin by giving you a little history of our past experiences. We are planning to go to a club in Austin in a couple of weeks. It's a swingers club and we have gone there twice before but it has been a couple of years. We had alot of fun and even when it got crazy we were kind of in our own world. We have a fantastic sex life and have tried alot of things and view this as just another experience we can share and enjoy. We really don't go there to meet up with anyone just to be able to "let go" and do what comes to us in the midst of a crowd. The concern we had was "was this right for us". I have been leading a christian men's group and I read a defintion of sexual purity this past week. It is when sexual gratification comes to us from only our wives and nothing or anyone else. My wife is so secure in my love for her that she can't understand why other men have so many sexual hangups because all I do is for her enjoyment and vice versa. We have agreement on everything we do.........and we have done alot of things that I am sure most "christian" couples won't do . She has taken professional lingerie pix for me, and we look at Victorias secret catalogs together. We "play" on the road trips we take. I guess what I am trying to say is be sure you have a good foundation for you and your wife to build on and then start building some memories of your adventures together. Be sure her sexual satisfaction is a primary concern for you and have agreement on the major issues.

I've probably said to much but man when I hear of all the stories the men have about sexual frustrations it makes me wonder why the don't go on the offensive instead of always being on the defensive about sexaul problems with their wives.

[Chicup]

Originally posted by Mary&Bill
Hey there is nothing wrong with being a Christian or a Republican. Why should non-believers or Dems have all the fun.

I'm an atheist and a Republican, I hope its ok if I play

While I've never asked what someones political leanings were while answering/writing an add, every couple we have met from an online add (only 3) have been Republicans as well (found out from small talk with them). I'm basicly a Liberitarian who thinks we need a strong national defense, and sometimes national offense (something a 'true' Liberitarian wouldn't agree with). There are a HECK of a lot of Republicans just like me out there, though most would call themselves agnostic rather then atheists. I call them cowards :evil:

I guess like attracts like.

[troufault]

Yes, religion is so important. And it depends on the kind of religion, that is, what is one's understding of God.
I have just written a book which involves swinging and a bit of the forward goes: "God has gven us the priceless gift of enoyment of sex. Most men and women do enjoy it - and even enjoy just reading about it. But we demonise the gift, probably because this particular enjoyment used to risk pregnancy."
Another bit goes: "That is should be debased in this way is in my view blasphemy. And let us step into the presence of, truly worship, the loving God who gave it to us."

[curious24]

this is interesting... i saw a show on the history channel about sex and the bible.. if you put things in context of when they where written there was no contraceptives for women.. and there were no laws really to speak of.. but what was everyone afraid of? God.. so the religious leaders of the time put in some rules for sex to protect women...

the show made total sense to me.. but my friend who is very Christian thought it was up surd that anyone could think this way today.. i was a little more open minded and agreed with the show that the bible is and old text written in a different time..

anyway it was a really interesting show and had some really good points.

[alabamafuntonig]

The bible (the Christian written word of god)
Is pretty clear on the facts of extramarital affairs!
The commandments and books of the bible clearly state gods written word clearly and most proficient on the matter of sex outside ones marriage!
It would seem hypocritical to believe in the word of god and yet think I am not a sinner when it would come to sex with another person besides my spouse! This would seem to pose a major line of difference in any religion I would fathom a guess...can one be a religios person and still swing? Can one have a true understanding of god’s teachings and still live an immoral life? Or do we shift the words of the bible and create sects of religions that fit our most carnal desires? The facts are pretty well stated and don’t change weather we believe them to be true or not. Or if we believe they are archaic in there teachings.
For me I have no branch of religion I call my own. I was raised a catholic and understand the bible to some degree. With all that said it is my opinion that I am a sinner in the eyes of the church and god. But I also feel that I am the master of my own destiny