dealing with religious guilt?

[socolais]

Originally Posted by Edison Carter

Susan here-- Do you really think that a universe with billions of galaxies has a god in it that cares what you do sexually ?

answering for myself, yes!

Originally Posted by Edison Carter

Susan here-- Yet, you certainly are not more or less loved because you follow them.

agreed

[ktimephoenix]

now there is much i would love to say in this thread, but the issue with the written word is that it is easy to take offence to it, or read it out of context.

Mrs Phoenix is agnostic. raised a catholic. i was raised agnostic, and am an avowed Athiest.

Organised religions and their moral codes aren't dictated by "God", but men who exersized their judgements based on a SELECTION of the available texts. if it were the work of god, using ALL the available texts, then we wouldn't see the huge explosion of different religions based on essentially the same book(s)(from various sects of christianity, to Judaism and Islam. all based on the same set of texts). There also wouldn't be differences (sometimes minor, sometimes glaringly contradictory) in the beliefs of these different sects.

We have to remember that the texts we are shown by those in charge are the texts THEY want to show us. not the whole story. the morals derived from those texts are the SUBJECTIVE opinion of those that founded the religion in question.

and even if you subscribe to the "my religion is the only right one" philosophy, it doesn't take a hard look at your religious doctrine of choice to find inconsistencies.

I am not saying this to "convert" anyone to my way of thinking, merely to say... if you have a firm understanding of your religion, and you assess that it is the right thing to do, then you are acting on as much authority as the preachers and priests.

my personal view? if the Old Testament shows the true nature of god, then he definately would not have been in the lifestyle. he was as jealous as they come (wiping out civilisations with fire, brimstone, and pestilance because they DARE look at another god).

[Chris&Amelia]

Originally Posted by ktimephoenix

my personal view? if the Old Testament shows the true nature of god, then he definately would not have been in the lifestyle. he was as jealous as they come (wiping out civilisations with fire, brimstone, and pestilance because they DARE look at another god).

Amen.

Guess no house parties in heaven, huh? Guess it's Swinger Hell for us...

[interested-05]

simply put, If I were creating a religion, it would definitely have as much sex as possible between responsible consenting adults. Which makes me wonder, why any guy/gal starting a religion thousands of years ago, would have put so many limits on it.
That being said, if religion is simply a man made thing, it makes no sense.
If it is simply a manmade organization, it was merely the earliest form of a political government, designed to give the society some codified method to relate to one another, and enforce some sort of order. lets face it, the average person especially when we are young , is a me first self centered entity. Taking what we want, getting jealous of what others have, and treating others in a less than loving way. hence, the rules (ten commandments)were established, to teach others how to relate to others in a civilized manner.
What is true "religion"? True religion is not and cannot be hypocritical. Because it is based on " Love the Lord thy God, and Love thy neighbor even as you Love your self, against such there is no Law" (imprecise quote, but you get the point) unfortunately we as human beings fall far short of Loving everyone, at all times, regardless of our intended desire to do so.
fake religion is I love me, and i am looking out for number one at all times, while pretending to care about you. That "ATTITUDE" happens whether someone proclaims religious belief or sanctimonious atheism.

[Chicup]

I'll just quote an old post of mine here for anyone having guilt issues....

Must...stay....out...of...thread....

Ok I can't but I won't give it both barrels, I'll go softly.

Think of it this way, assuming there is a God and all that....

Do you really think god is that preoccupied with your vagina and what you stick in it? Do you think the creator of all creation, is getting angry that you are enjoying what apparently he/she/it gave you? Wouldn't God want you to be happy and if this makes you happy and hurts no one do you really think the omnipotent, alpha and omega is going to be put out that you put out?

Perhaps the greatest boon of swinging for deep thinkers is nothing physical but psychological. Being set free of jealousy and guilt gives you a whole new perspective on life.

Just ask yourself WHY you feel guilty. I'm going to guess and its just a guess, but its not because of religion, or anything external but because you dont' want to somehow hurt your husband. Even if he seems all for it, you have had it drilled into your head that sex is just between him and you, and now that you want more you feel guilty, like a bad wife, wrong for wanting it. You dont' want to hurt him, make him feel less adiquate, make him think you love him less, when if anything swinging can make you love him more. You have been told cheating is wrong, and perhaps even enjoying sex as much as you do is wrong, and while swinging isn't cheating, its close enough to fire those old lessons up.

So my advice is to talk to your husband, get him to tell you exactly how he feels about it, if he gets turned on by the thought of you with someone else, if he wants it, and if so let the guilt go behind you with the more privative jealousy over sex you conquered already.

[rickmccool]

I talked to God about it just this morning. He said fuck your brains out and to quit bothering him about such trivial matters.

[ktimephoenix]

Originally Posted by Chris&Amelia

Amen.

Guess no house parties in heaven, huh? Guess it's Swinger Hell for us...

Don't know if i believe in either so we'll just have to make the most of the here and now