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[Paphian]

Originally Posted by SADIEBABY5656

Okay, I am very passionate about this.

As you've every right to be... for yourself. That's one of the great things about the good ol' US of A. We've got that right guaranteed in our constitution.

Originally Posted by SADIEBABY5656

Also in 2 Timothy 3:16 for those who doubt the inerrancy of Scripture...the Bible says that, "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking and correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." So at this point, either we accept that by faith or we don't.

Quoting a passage in scripture as proof of the inerrancy of scripture is circular reasoning. Not to mention that that passage says nothing about inerrancy without requiring the very interpretation I discussed.

But more to the point... it's not the relative truth, fallacy or inerrancy of scripture in and of itself that I question. It's the inerrancy of those who claim to know the "proper, one and only" interpretation of that scripture about which I have grave doubts.

We (as a people, not necessarily anyone here) argue about the fine points of law created only last week. How would anyone alive today know, without question or doubt, what, precisely, was meant that was written by people two to four thousand years ago? Very few people even have a clear idea about how people really lived from day to day that far back; claiming to know precisely what they meant when they wrote something that long ago is a heck of a stretch.

[Tantra]

Who wrote/inspired the bible? God. How do you know there's a God? The bible says so.

I have a fundamental problem with this.

Anyway, I lack belief in any god. My morality stems from doing my best to improve myself and the world because it is good for me and good for others. I consider sex to be like a physical conversation - one that is inspirational, exciting, and pleasurable. In my opinion, this can only further my happiness and that of others. This, to me, is a very good thing.

[Sweet_Candy]

Originally Posted by Tantra

Who wrote/inspired the bible? God. How do you know there's a God? The bible says so.

I have a fundamental problem with this.

Anyway, I lack belief in any god. My morality stems from doing my best to improve myself and the world because it is good for me and good for others. I consider sex to be like a physical conversation - one that is inspirational, exciting, and pleasurable. In my opinion, this can only further my happiness and that of others. This, to me, is a very good thing.

Dito Tantra. So many people of faith seem to ignore that self improvement of yourself and the world we live in is the goal. The hereafter is obtainable by all, it's called death.

[dayhiker]

" How would anyone alive today know, without question or doubt, what, precisely, was meant that was written by people two to four thousand years ago? "

This is actaully a very big deal in Christianity and has been for 150 years. Heck in one sense even back to Martin Luther in 1500's. A lot of church leaders want to bring in the latest research that helps us understand what the authors of the Bible were saying. But people in their pews says that that data undermines the gospels.

The opposite is also true. A lot of pastors don't want the new data revealed to the guy in the pew because then it will undermine the traditions of the church group they belong too.

I've belonged to many churches over the years and in my simple faith (I love to see the best in everyone.) I've found most church people love people and love God. They can also at the same time for reasons that aren't clear to me get a few verses of the Bible in their head and think ever one has MAJOR problems because they aren't living by that one idea.

So just like we are all good (created in God's image) and we are all evil ( we have all sinned) causes us to sound confused. Its also very real, for we all know we do good and evil. Well, I'm willing to say I'm both. You can make your own statement. But I like what Paul said in Rom.1. People have forsaken God because they weren't thankful and they didn't keep God in their thinking. Those two things have explained the world to me as good as anything I've read. But I'm sure you have your explaination just as I have mine. I accept that.

dayhiker

[MulderNScully]

Hey there,

Lately, I've been studying this website with my Bible concerning our freedoms and liberty in Christ. It is called Freedomguide.net and it is a really good site if you need help regarding your freedoms in Christ, what is right and wrong, and what is made up human rules as opposed to what God says. Here's the site again: www.freedomguide.net.

I also have a group calle Christian Pro Erotic on Yaoo Groups which we discuss the isssues of sexuality and Christianity: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ChristProErotic/

I believe that in Jesus we have the freedom to participate in this lifestyle; the thing Jesus is worried about is not what we do outside in our bodies or what we put inside our bodies, but what comes out of it. If pride, selfishness, attitude, etc. comes out then where is the heart at? This is what Jesus is concerned with the most.

Mulder
(MulderNScully)

[Spoomonkey]

Thanks for posting these links, Mulder!

I am looking forward to digging around in them.

Spoomonkey