Religious Affiliation?

[nwmifun]

We are true blue Catholic through and through. Though Mrs. NWMIFUN has taken some detours and dabbled in other religions (she swears that Jesus would have made a great Bhuddist - and was totally weirded out by a guy who she dated who claimed to be a witch - but being weird didn't necessarily come from his religious beliefs) we embrace our Catholicism wholeheartedly. We love the support and stability that the church provides. People will try to tell us how bad the Catholic church is, but how can, love, support, and stability be a bad thing?

Many have asked us how we balance that with this type of fun. Neither of us are the types to have anyone shove anything down our throats even a Priest. So, as long as we can reason that we are good people, and not hurting anyone and above all staying true to one another, it doesn't matter what the church that we most identify and find comfort in says. lol - I agree to disagree with some of what the Pope says.

I don't understand when others get bent out of shape when people speak of their religious convictions. I find it best when someone is telling me about their beliefs and I disagree, I just smile and and nod and say "cool". On the same token, I always go out of my way not to press my opinions onto others. I don't imagine they like my opinion forced on them any more than I do theirs.

I find myself agreeing with Ittakes3 when they say that they find themselves trusting someone religious more than they do anti-religious. I've never seen someone truly religious do something bad. But I have seen plenty of anti-religious people do bad things.

[NaughtyKitten]

Originally Posted by nwmifun

I find myself agreeing with Ittakes3 when they say that they find themselves trusting someone religious more than they do anti-religious. I've never seen someone truly religious do something bad. But I have seen plenty of anti-religious people do bad things.

I'm an atheist and I would fall into that anti-religious category but I do not advertise that fact to many people and I don't try to abolish religion. I do think the world would be a much better place without it, though. Religions claim to bring people together but all I see is division all around the world. I trust people that use logic and reason rather than faith. Or religious people that aren't afraid to use their own minds to figure things out instead of the blind faith idea. Like all the religious swingers out there that have a personal faith that allows them to feel alright about what they do. I can respect that kind of religious person.

The big problem for me is that a lot of people walk around disguised as truly religious and are not.....they are judgmental, hateful people that try their best to spread that hatred to others. I have no respect for that. I do have friends that have faith and we agree to disagree. I do not condemn I just don't agree.

Wow, I guess this is a touchy subject for me! I'll get off my soapbox now!

Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful.....or because I'm not religious.

[Sweet_Candy]

Originally Posted by nwmifun

I find myself agreeing with Ittakes3 when they say that they find themselves trusting someone religious more than they do anti-religious. I've never seen someone truly religious do something bad. But I have seen plenty of anti-religious people do bad things.

Whom have you seen be truly religious? I cringe on the highway when I see the fish sign on the back of a vehicle anticipating the rudeness to follow. Historically more people have died at the hands of the professed religious(righteous) than the non-religious. Should I continue.....

I believe as an American you have the right to follow what makes your life meaningful without making other's lives meaningless. My family is well-mannered and treats others with respect and dignity...more than I can say for the so called religious surrounding us.

Sweet

[nwmifun]

But once again... Are they TRULY religious?

I feel that I can see right through when someone is simply preaching to me, and I don't respect it at all. Those that I've come across that are truly good people exude that certain something.

[TheGeek]

Originally Posted by nwmifun

Those that I've come across that are truly good people exude that certain something.

I'm forced to wonder.. Is it the religion that makes them good people, or would the good people and the assholes of the world still be the same under a different religion, or no religion at all?

[ItTakes3]

Originally Posted by Sweet_Candy

Historically more people have died at the hands of the professed religious(righteous) than the non-religious. Should I continue.....
Sweet

I'd like to see an objective, even semi-accurate body count to support this oft stated claim. I would suggest the millions murdered by communists in Cambodia, even more millions murdered in the name of the state by Josef Stalin and the millions murdered by the national socialists in the name of ethnic purity, would stack up (bad pun) against the crusades, witch hunts, and a host of smaller, less famous conflicts waged in the name of god(s). While some particapants may invoke the name of a diety while conducting violence, it does not make the war a religious war.

WWII was not a religious war, nor was WWI, our civil war, our revolution, the Korean war or Vietnam. Ditto for a number of European and Asian civil and regional wars. In modern times, the only well known, purely religious conflict I can think of was waged in Northern Ireland and while it was violent, the actual number of deaths was nothing compared to real wars. Most every other conflict has been based on ethnic, political, personal or financial issues. Even the Israel-Palestine conflict has a mixed reason for their decades of violence.

In my opinion, the anti-religious movement (which is often as intolerant as most religions) is guilty of blaming violence on religion without really having the facts to prove it.

Unfortunately, the war on terror, seems to be leading towards becoming a truly religious, worldwide conflict.

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by ItTakes3

In my opinion, the anti-religious movement (which is often as intolerant as most religions) is guilty of blaming violence on religion without really having the facts to prove it.

Thanks for this post!

Spoomonkey

[DJTriad]

Originally Posted by ItTakes3

WWII was not a religious war, nor was WWI, our civil war, our revolution, the Korean war or Vietnam. Ditto for a number of European and Asian civil and regional wars. In modern times, the only well known, purely religious conflict I can think of was waged in Northern Ireland and while it was violent, the actual number of deaths was nothing compared to real wars. Most every other conflict has been based on ethnic, political, personal or financial issues. Even the Israel-Palestine conflict has a mixed reason for their decades of violence.

Thank you for the lesson in history. Honestly, I'm glad I found this SB. You're all intelligent, and open minded! Thank God we're swingers! Oh, for the non "God" believers..... "I" accept you just as you are. I'm the LAST one to judge anyone on this board.

xoxo *just passing the love around*

[Sweet_Candy]

Originally Posted by nwmifun

Those that I've come across that are truly good people exude that certain something.

I agree with this statement and have met many people who would fit this description. They have come from all walks of life and many were not religious.

I only responded to your assertion that religious people were less inclined to be bad then non-religious. This has not been my experience. Yes I am non-religious but do believe religion serves a function for those who need it. For those who believe I support their choice as I do those who do not believe.

Sweet

[nwmifun]

Originally Posted by TheGeek

I'm forced to wonder.. Is it the religion that makes them good people, or would the good people and the assholes of the world still be the same under a different religion, or no religion at all?

I guess I get the feeling that the good people are simply drawn to religion.

[NaughtyKitten]

Originally Posted by nwmifun

I guess I get the feeling that the good people are simply drawn to religion.

Sooooooo not true!

[nwmifun]

Originally Posted by DJTriad

Thank you for the lesson in history. Honestly, I'm glad I found this SB. You're all intelligent, and open minded! Thank God we're swingers! Oh, for the non "God" believers..... "I" accept you just as you are. I'm the LAST one to judge anyone on this board.

xoxo *just passing the love around*

LOL - a debate doesn't mean anyone doesn't like or is unaccepting of anyone else. Religious affiliation is the last thing that we'd take into account when "swinging" with someone. The thread is one discussing religion, and I don't (not sure about others) and wouldn't ever bring this stuff up in a swinging context. It's simply a thread which has spurred discussion, which is never bad.

[starlinn]

Originally Posted by nwmifun

We are true blue Catholic through and through. Though Mrs. NWMIFUN has taken some detours and dabbled in other religions (she swears that Jesus would have made a great Bhuddist - and was totally weirded out by a guy who she dated who claimed to be a witch - but being weird didn't necessarily come from his religious beliefs) we embrace our Catholicism wholeheartedly. We love the support and stability that the church provides. People will try to tell us how bad the Catholic church is, but how can, love, support, and stability be a bad thing?

Many have asked us how we balance that with this type of fun. Neither of us are the types to have anyone shove anything down our throats even a Priest. So, as long as we can reason that we are good people, and not hurting anyone and above all staying true to one another, it doesn't matter what the church that we most identify and find comfort in says. lol - I agree to disagree with some of what the Pope says.

I don't understand when others get bent out of shape when people speak of their religious convictions. I find it best when someone is telling me about their beliefs and I disagree, I just smile and and nod and say "cool". On the same token, I always go out of my way not to press my opinions onto others. I don't imagine they like my opinion forced on them any more than I do theirs.

I find myself agreeing with Ittakes3 when they say that they find themselves trusting someone religious more than they do anti-religious. I've never seen someone truly religious do something bad. But I have seen plenty of anti-religious people do bad things.

I was raised Catholic, and out of respect for my parents, and all that they did for me growing up with the childhood that I had, I consider myself Catholic and chose that as my religion. Although the Pope has a stronghold on the ways the Catholic religion is, I do not believe that he is my bridge to God. My personal relationship with God is just that..mine. I enjoy my time in solitude with God during mass, I use what I can from the sermon that applies to my life and toss what doesnt apply. I believe that 99% of the population is good, and that God has never made anything on this earth ugly. People have told me that Jesus would want me to be involved in an organized church. I say that Jesus preached to sinners outside of the church, and the only time that I can recall Jesus being in church was to correct priests and to be angry for the unGodly acts of those in the synigog. (sp) There are many roads to goodness. How you get there depends on the person, not the priest, pope, church, or other believers.