What is the meaning of interracial sex?

[Sweetdevil]

I have notice the majority of posts concerning interracial sex, is always about Blacks and Whites.

Why?

Doesn't interracial sex include people of different ethnic groups having sex?

[JustAskJulie]

Interacial sex is the mixing of any two ethnic groups. The most common tho is black and white, however white and asian is probably in the second spot.


I had this debate with my church growing up for years. They (and the college I went to for a year) were against IR relationships, however the Dean of Men at the school (he was white) married a woman from my church that was half white/half asian. It drove me nuts that they didn't consider that the same thing. The school used the policy of if the person was half then whatever they looked was what they went by (she looked like both, it was obvious that she was half white/half asian). Now, much of my family still attends the same church. I have an adopted cousin that is Korean, who no one seems to say a word about her dating white boys...just reinforces my belief that they had a double standard going there.

[Sweetdevil]

Julie,

The issue of a double standard is what I have observed. I have met couples or one part of the couple who was more resposive than their partner, and in future both became responsive to us as a Black couple. The standard statement we would hear was, "You are nothing like what I have seen or heard about Black people". Now, I had to decide how to response such a statement. I choose to smile and let the statement hang in the air. Because I knew from experience what would happen. Most couples would like us for our personalities; which was the case.

Then we would hear or overhear comments, such as; we would never have interracial sex! But these would the same couples falling all over Hispanic and Asian couples.
I could only wonder what was the meaning of interracial sex.

I knew in my heart their meaning and we continue to "party", without being overly concern. Because we are not in this lifestyle to please everyone and if couples would "judge" us based on our skin color, then so be it.

I must say, we had help from a wonderful couple who assisted us in joining and growing within swinging. And Julie, you remind me of the wife of the couple.




Sweetdevil

[Alura]

Hey, Sweetdevil!

I sure hope this is taken in the way it's meant and I don't get stomped on too bad...

My opinion is that racial prejudice is stronger against the African-Americans because of fear. The reasons go back to the time when the slave trade was flourishing in the 1500's and 1600's.

The slave traders were willing to trade more rum for big, strong, healthy victims and would give almost nothing for small, sickly people. Consequently, they captured the "enemies" who were strong and healthy and killed those who were not. The hardships of the transport to the Americas further killed off the weaker ones, and the slave owners used selective breeding even more.

By the time of the Emancipation Proclamation, the Black American was the cream of the African crop and towered over his non-selectively-bred European oppressor. That's why, today, the NCAA, NFL, and NBA have a black participation which is way out of proportion to the population as a whole. Their stronger bodies make them better athletes.

White people spread the hate simply because they knew that, in a one-on-one situation, the black man could kick their butts and out-work them all day long in the labor marketplace.

That's my opinion. It's free. That may give you a good idea of what it's worth.

Husband of Alura

[LIZA]

I think interracial generally refers to black/white just because that is the biggest "taboo"
But you see quite a few black/white couples or black/asian. And also a lot of white male/asian female.
I am a white female with an asian male and we are almost always the only couple of that make-up ANYPLACE we go....so I guess that's the next frontier

[JustAskJulie]

I know many guys that have an Asian female fantasy... I'd say that is about as big as white females who have a black fantasy.

I think it's just always been more taboo therefore it's what gets the attention. It's also more noticable (much more contrast between white skin and black than white skin and asian or indian).

[Stratecpl]

I suppose if you want to talk Interracial, then we fit into that category too. My wife and I are American Indian. There is a lot less known about the mistreatment of our people than there is of the African-Americans. We have no problem swinging with members of any race, creed, color, religious belief.... Some of our very best friends are African-Americans, too. It's strange, though, the racial prejudices you encounter. Like Sweetdevil says, it's about like they figured.... the people would like you for your personalities and everything else. We are all red on the inside, anyhow.

Ron, Husband of Stratecpl

[youngswingers]

Hold on there Mr. Alura... it is that kind of talk that got Jimmy the Greek canned years ago. African-American representation in professional sports has everything to do with practice and nothing to do with breeding.

The notion of selective breeding is psuedo science at its most insidious. When we accept it we are accepting the very backbone of Hitler's philosophy that pure breeding can lead to superiority. Science has since prooved otherwise.

In 1999 the American Anthropological Association announced the result of a study that found that genetic variation between the races is less than variations within the races. What this means is that race, as we are talking about it here, does not exist in the scientific sense of the word. So lets not talk about it as if there is scientific reasons behind racism.

The truth of the matter is that race is a cultural construction. Every culture describes race differently and has different taboos associated with interracial interactions... both sexually and socially.

When it comes down to it, this country, due in large part to slavery, sees race as a product of skin color (some other countries see race as a tied to nationality while yet others use economic status to determine race). There is no greater social distance in this country than between black and white. Other races come in on a sliding scale between those two extremes.

The root of sexual racism is the idea that you are interacting with the unknown... the other. What you know about that race is largely due to stereotypes (positive and negative). You are either attracted to that "otherness" or scared of it. That is why groups like the Mandigo Club are both loved and hated.

The way we combat racism is to fight the ignorance that breeds it. By knowing more about each other we start to realize that there is no real difference between the races. Black, hispanic, asian, white, ect... we all swing the same... we all have the same feelings... and we all deserve the same respect.

Sorry about the rant, but race and sexuality was something I studied in school and am still very interested in continuing to study. If anyone is interested in talking more about this (or looking for any reading materials) let me know!

Mr.youngswingers

[ 02-05-2002: Message edited by: youngswingers ]

[LIZA]

I am not a sociology major, so I could be wrong.

But I remember a study that came out a couple years ago and was very controversial. It showed Asian's as a whole scored the highest in IQ test and intellect, Blacks as a whole scored the highest in athletic prowess, strength and endurance.
We whites and hispanics were just kind of in the mid-ground in both category's.
People of different races have different physical characteristics obviously, so who's to say this is worng?
I am very open to people of all races, socially, politically, sexually, etc etc but if there ARE differences in aptitudes, why are we so afraid to say so?

[youngswingers]

Liza, you are referring to a study called the "Bell Curve" that was pretty much rejected in academia due to the authors' questionable methodology and even more questionable logic. Yes, race exists in our culture. But however you choose to group people (be it by skin color, nationality, or class), you will find similarities and difference. Generalizations about the races make sense when you don't know a lot of people of a particular race but once you do those generalizations do not often stand up. For example in Japan, Amerijos' (women and men who have an American fetish) claim that Americans are sexual dynamos. Well, we all know that, while nice, this stereotype is not exactly true. In fact, this positive stereotype actually has a negative impact on Americans in Japan where we are commonly regarded as dumber and unable to excercise self-control. Liza just remember this... it is even when you think a generalization is harmless it isn't.

[Alura]

Youngswingers,

I kind of expected I'd get a retort like yours and let me say that I agree with almost everything you say, especially that there is more variation within races than between them. Our only disagreement has to do with history, not genetics. I feel certain that there wouldn't be a dime's worth of difference between the races' athletic ability if they had been chosen at random from the world's population, but they weren't.

When the Arabs and other slave collectors were kidnapping people to sell to the Jim Bowies of the day, they didn't go out looking for pygmies, a tribe of African people very short in stature. The Zulus brought a lot more money. They went looking for the big, strong men and women. When they were pooled together in the United States, they produced big, strong people.

I'm sure that if the Africans had "discovered" (StrateCouple will understand the quotes.) America and they had been collecting slaves in Europe, they'd have gone to Scandanavia and kidnapped the six foot plus strong young people who could tote cotton bales, and our football teams of today would have a lot of blondes on them.

The World's Greatest Football Coach, Oklahoma's Barry Switzer, advanced the same theory one time and caught hell over it, including being called a racist. He is anything but!

Our disagreement is minor, YoungSwingers, and has nothing to do with race.

Husband of Alura

[Sweetdevil]

Liza,

Where do I start? You last statement is incorrect on its face.
The study you refer to was authored by Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein and the title is: "The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life".
The geist of the book was to structure public policy based on intelliegent testing. On the face, such a notion is appealing, but ONE has to look at the statistical equation which was used. The equation is flawed for SUCH a large study.
Now, to put this in layman terms, the bell is divided into three sections; with the middle section as the largest and the two end sections are equal in size.
ALL results are within ONE, TWO or THREE deviations (differences) from stantdard deviations (mean, for this purpose). So, with NO ONE being perfect in the first set of scores, thus we start at are one deviation and so on. For example: six is perfect, then five is for Asians, four is for Hispanics and White, finally, three is for Blacks. Using your example.
There is NO major difference between the numbers 3 and 5. Statistics is ONLY a probability of what MAY occur under a given set of circumstances;under specific conditions. As we all know life is not always the same!
Note: the reason for the book was political but that is for another topic. Also, anyone can improve their IQ test scores by studying the design of IQ tests.

[LIZA]

Well there is a great deal of variation among different races, and they all become more diluted every generation.
Myself I am Cherokee Indian, Sioux Indian, Norwegian, Swedish, Irish, Welsh, Spanish and Peruvian. So I don't think I CAN be grouped as belonging to a certain race!
But you can't deny the fact that black people in professional sports far outnumber whites as compared to the general population. They tend to have stronger, more muscular bodies...........same as they tend to have darker skin. BIG DEAL.
If you look at the honor roll published by most any high school in a good size city, you will see a disproportionate number of Asian names, again, so what? Just because there are differences in the races doesn't mean you are racist for saying so!

[youngswingers]

Guys, I don't want to come off as a jerk here- but this dicussion demonstrates that we have a long way to go to shake off the effects of racism in this country.

Mr. Alura- the historical fact is that the slave trade was not selective... due to the mortality rate of the passage it was based on quanity not quality. Furthermore, it is historically incorrect to assume that the Zulus were a major part of slave trade... the reality is that the vast majority of slaves brought to this country were from west africa which where not Zulu but rather a mix of tribes.

Liza, while it may seem that there is a racial correlation to success (be it in sports or in the classroom) there is no credible data to support that theory. The desire to do well in school or sports are not racial/genetic instinicts. Most social scientists agree that culture is the number one factor that impacts these areas. We live in society where black children largely see athletic success as the way to upward mobility. Athletic success can get them into college, high paying jobs...ect. While black kids are teased when demonstrating interest in learning, asian children are largely treated the opposite. There is heavy familial pressure on Asian children to do well in school. When you look at race in other countries the theory of racial appitude breaks down. In professional soccer, racial make up does not predict success. No african country (including the countries that were historically Zulu) has won a world cup... though soccer has been played there as long as in it has been in South America. Yet South American teams have won over 7 world cups! The very same forces are at work in this example as they are in the US. In fact, a uk sociologist studying race and professional sports has demonstrated that there is a greater correlation to class and representation in professional sports than race. Impressive, if not shocking, is the fact that an overwhelming amount of professional athletes come from lower/working class. There is only a tiny percentage of professional athletes that come from the middle class. Why is then that we don't consider economic status as a predictor of athletic prowness?

But we digress from the original topic: Interracial Sex. The "black" fetish does not have its roots in history or aptitude but rather in the sense of social distance. During my study I was shocked to see that majority of Black on White interracial sex in porn is black man on white women. In over 80% of the porn and in over 95% of the top selling interracial porn the black males are "monsters" or "aliens" who are only semi-human and very aggressive. SweetDevil have you noticed this? I would think that this is the attitude that has the most impact on African-American swingers.

[ 02-06-2002: Message edited by: youngswingers ]

[Stratecpl]

Hey, Guys!!

Let's get back on track here... LOL We're supposed to be talking interracial swinging and sex. Personally I think it's great!! Anyone either disagree or agree??

Ron, Husband of Stratecpl