What are your rules?

[CanadianCouple]

Originally posted by LIZA:
or have bitten my tongue the we dont play...

LOL! Hurts eh? I occasionally chomp on the inside of my lips while eating. And naturally, the swelling makes it twice as likely to nail it again.

No wonder people get their teeth hauled out.

Dan

[LookingTenn]

Originally posted by CanadianCouple:
LOL! Hurts eh? I occasionally chomp on the inside of my lips while eating. And naturally, the swelling makes it twice as likely to nail it again.

No wonder people get their teeth hauled out.

Dan

Dan, You can do it with dentures too! And beleve you me it still hurts!!! LOL

[JustAskJulie]

Originally posted by CanadianCouple:
LOL! Hurts eh? I occasionally chomp on the inside of my lips while eating. And naturally, the swelling makes it twice as likely to nail it again.

No wonder people get their teeth hauled out.

Dan

I doubt her reason for not playing after having bitten her lip has anything to do with it hurting. It's more likely because she now has an open sore in her mouth which leaves her more susceptable to any infection someone else might have.

Julie http://www.swingersboard.com

[Flori_DAMAN]

Originally posted by JustAskJulie:
Nice in theory.. but since not all STD's can be cured with antibiotics (take Herpes for example, and STD that 1 in 4 American's have or will contract), it doesn't really hold water.

And even if you could just take antibiotics to get rid of whatever you have.. who would want to say 'don't worry if I get something I'll just take drugs and get rid of it? To me that ranks up there with people who say, oh we'll just get married now and if it doesn't work we can always divorce? Or who cares if we get pregnant we can always have abortion. Just because there is a way to fix a problem.. doesn't mean you should take on that problem just because there's a way to fix it.

Also you have to consider the number of STD's that while they may show no symptoms on YOU, you can carry them (Herpes again is one of these) and give them to others. While many of these may not be all that harmful to the person who has it, maybe annoying or irritating at most, if a woman contracts it and is having any sort of outbreak with it during pregnancy or labor it can cause MAJOR complications for the child.

I won't condem anyone for their choice not to use condoms (obviously you and your wife practice safe sex to extent based on your statement that the one guy who comes in her pussy wears a condom), but I won't swing with you. That's just my choice.

Like I've said before everyone makes their choice on what risks they are willing to take and everyone draws the lines at different places. No one should judge anyone based on their choices or where they draw their lines. But they do have every right to set their own boundaries and rules and stick by them.

Julie http://www.swingersboard.com

Hmm...Ok, well first of all Julie, my wife would never allow me to swing with anyone as sexually active as you are LOL.

You have a wonderful site here by the way and I have enjoyed it immensely, so no hard feelings or insults intended here but please get your facts straight before you mislead people.

About herpes.
There are over 80 known viruses known in the herpes family, 8 of which are known to affect humans.

Herpes simplex virus 1 (HSV-1) also known as oral herpes, normally causes cold sores but by the way CAN cause genital herpes.

Herpes simplex virus 2 (HSV-2) or more commonly known as genital herpes and can cause blisters, rashes, bumps in the genital areas.

A form that many people are not aware of is
Varicella-zoster virus (VZV) this is what causes shingles (OWIE).

How about Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) Many people that complain of chronic fatigue actually have this and it is associated with mono nucleosis, (kissing disease). Symtoms rarely last longer than a few weeks though.

You mention that "if a woman contracts it and is having any sort of outbreak with it during pregnancy or labor it can cause MAJOR complications for the child."
This form is QUITE rare and is known as neonatal herpes. More common in infants and small children is Cytomegalovirus (CMV; also called Human cytomegalovirus, or HCMV) and generally causes symtoms of fatigue, fever, swollen glands etc.

Julie, you comment that you would not have sex with me because I don't use a rubber and you are apparently quite concerned with herpes, I see pictures of you having oral sex with plenty of men using no condoms. These men do not have to have visible sores to infect you with herpes young lady. If you are at a club and the guy just did a gal with herpes then how do you know you won't get it. It is proven and not even arguable that oral sex can transmit genital herpes.

Here is another interesting form of herpes: herpes gladiatorum, this is transmitted through rough skin to skin contact and is often passed from one wrestler to another. Interesting tidbit huh.
I asked my dr. if I we should get tested for herpes once and he said you probably should but he said he wouldnt worry about the results because about 50 million people have genital herpes and most are not even aware they have it. Those that do take some pills to control outbreaks.

This information may or may not be entirely accurate so please do not base your decisions on any of it. Go to your local health department or do an engine search on herpes if you want more information.

What is accurate is that I have never seen a swinger get sick from swinging. I have seen unwanted pregnancies and broken relationships due to lack of forethought, miscommunications and unrealistic expectations however.

So in summary, I feel that my theories do in fact hold water. If you do just about anything there is a risk. It is up to the individual to determine his or her own willingness to expose themselves to a risk level but it should be an informed determination.

Happy swinging, and the sky is not falling, John.

[lycioos]

Michigancouple,

Just because YOU personally don't know anyone who has gotten HIV from swinging doesn't mean they aren't out there. There is certainly nothing wrong with people using some simple common sense when being with others besides there mate. That is THEIR choice. How far they choose to take it is what they need to live with, therefore, why condem them if they even go as far as what some would say is a bit overboard? As long as they still have fun and are happy with their choices, isn't that what is important??
As far as what Julie said. I stand behind her statement. Not all std's can be cured simply from taking antibiotics. Yes some it can, others it controls, but there are still yet others that it just won't touch and you live with it for the rest of your life.

[Flori_DAMAN]

UM...who did I condemn?????

I just read my post three times and cannot find any where in it where I condemned anyone. Maybe you did not understand what I wrote? Please point out who and where I condemned anyone.

I agree with Julies statement also. YOu cannot control ALL STD's with antibiotics. Some take other types of medication. So what?

We do not disagree on any major issues. I think its concept that we may go different ways on. Personally I feel that if a couple swings with only one or two others in the course of a year and they are selective and do not use protection then they are just as safe as someone that swings with dozens of people but use protection. That was why i included the herpes info. Many people seem to be unaware that unprotected oral sex spreads herpes also. Not that herpes is a horrible thing to have anyhow. I do not condemn Julie for giving blowjobs without protection in fact I enjoy the pictures immensely and applaud it, if that is what you meant by condemning...im not sure if that is what you meant though to be honest. Have a good day fellow swinger.

[JustAskJulie]

I wasn't referring strictly to Herpes, it is just one of the ones I have the most knowledge about because I know people that have it. (And I have mentioned in other posts that the oral form of herpes can cause genital herpes). It has been suggested by many DR's/ researches that the two (oral and genital) are actually the same.

As for the example of a woman having an STD that she is having an outbreak of during giving birth.. I wasn't referring to Herpes, but rather to others. Since off the top of my head I couldn't remember which ones caused which problems, I didn't name any. However, I know that certain STD's if having a breakout during pregnancy can cause jaundice or even blindness in the baby (if not worse).

Yes, I do realize that I take risks by giving oral sex without a condom (I've even stated that here several times in different messages). That's a risk I choose to take.

My concern is not just with herpes, but with all STD's in general. My decision to not have sex with someone who doesn't use a condom is because that is our rule.. that is where we draw our lines. Yes we do take risks, just as you do.. and yes I still am at risk because I give oral sex (to completion) without a condom.. but there are ways to minimize that risk and I do follow them.

And you are right.. the sky is not falling.. BTW, thanks for the extra info on Herpes.. the point of this site is to provide everyoen with as much info as possible so that they can make informed decisions about what they are doing.. that doesn't mean they will make the same decisions I make.. which is fine.. because my decisions are right for me. I don't try to push my views down everyone's throat here (that's not the purpose of this site), all I try to do is to make sure that people are seeing things from all angles.

Julie http://www.swingersboard.com

[This message has been edited by JustAskJulie (edited 08-14-2001).]

[LIZA]

No I dont just leave them hanging, Julie

Im not quite THAT mean

[CanadianCouple]

Originally posted by JustAskJulie:

I doubt her reason for not playing after having bitten her lip has anything to do with it hurting. It's more likely because she now has an open sore in her mouth which leaves her more susceptable to any infection someone else might have.

Uhh, yeah, I kinda had that figured out right away. Just a masked attempt at humor on my part.

Dan

[LIZA]

To be honest, even tho we go to a swing club fairly often , we as a couple do not swap bodily fluids with others all that often

I realize I am at some risk of Herpes thru kissing and oral and accept that .......as even if I were to used Dental Dams for ORAL, if I am going to put one on to KISS, we might as well stay home!

I respect everyones choices as their own however I am entitled to my own opinion, which is those who have intercourse and especially anal sex without a condom are very foolish

Also remember Condoms DO slip off or tear!

[This message has been edited by LIZA (edited 08-15-2001).]

[CanadianCouple]

Originally posted by LIZA:


Also remember Condoms DO slip off or tear!

Which reminds me of something. Each time we've swung, I stay inside the other woman after intercourse for a few minutes (you know, that special winding-down time), and nearly every time when I do withdrawn, the condom stays inside her, making it necessary for me to pull it out manually. Janette was concerned at first, but I explained to her I can't see any way for my semen to get inside her, since the condom opening remains outside her vaginal opening. Just wondered if other guys have this "deflating" issue of leaving the condom behind after the fact.

The first time we swung, this occurred and when I attempted to pull the condom out of her, it slipped out of my hand and snapped her. She was okay, and even laughed about it, but I felt terrible, worried I'd hurt her. Now I keep a firm grip.

Dan

[JustAskJulie]

The bigger thing to watch out for would be if the condom fell off during and you didn't notice.. I had this happen a couple of times in my pre-marital days.. and then you have to go fishing for the lost condom.. and pray! Cuz if you didn't realize it till he was done it's the same as if he just came in you.

Julie http://www.swingersboard.com

[lycioos]

I've never had a problem removing while inflated. Then I lay there and wait for the deflation, before attempting to remove. Works for us.

[austxmark]

I do not get soft after I cum so I can wait and pull out later and since I am still hard its not a problem. Do you really have it come off during sex? I mean the thing is pretty tight, what are you doing to the poor girl??

[CanadianCouple]

Originally posted by austxmark:
Do you really have it come off during sex?

I said AFTER sex, during the winding down period.

Dan


[This message has been edited by CanadianCouple (edited 08-16-2001).]