reasons for NOT using condoms

[Uneed_Love]

Originally posted by PaulKing
"May be I am really dumb BUT I do believe that condoms are the only way to protect the one I love"

I have great respect for you but fail to see how you arrive at this conclusion. Is it just a feeling or do you have some real reason to believe this?

Very best wishes,

Paul

Because the french hospitals are full of Young persons who were playing their lives with NO PROTECTIONS ("no capote" in french means no condoms).
Imagine how I should feel IF one day just because I should say to the woman I love that she can play with others partners without condoms and I should learn later she would get HIV

I should suicide after hearing this!

Take Care

JC

[PaulKing]

The whole point is that condoms ARE NO PROTECTION.

See below: -



Sex And HIV: Behaviour-Change Trial Shows No Link
The East African (Nairobi)
March 17, 2003
Posted to the web March 19, 2003
By Paul Redfern, Special Correspondent
Nairobi

A UK funded trial aimed at reducing the spread of Aids in Uganda by
modifying sexual behaviour appears to have had little discernible
effect.

The trial, carried out on around 15,000 people in the Masaka region,
involved distributing condoms, treating around 12,000 victims of
sexually transmitted diseases and counselling.

However, while the trial led to a marked change in sexual behavioural
patterns, with the proportion reporting causal sexual partners falling
from around 35 per cent to 15 per cent, there was no noticeable fall
in the number of new cases of HIV infection, although there was a
significant reduction in sexually transmitted diseases such as
syphilis and gonorrhoea.

The trial results, which were reported in the British medical journal
The Lancet, have already aroused some controversy.

The team leader of the trial, Dr Anatoli Kamalai, acknowledged that
there was "no measurable reduction" in HIV incidence with "no hint of
even a small effect."

But the research team's view is that the spread of HIV was already
declining in the area and the trial might not have been big enough to
detect any additional change.

There is, however, another view which has recently been put forward
which claims that inadequately sterilised needles across Africa have
led to a greater rate of HIV infection than sexual contact.

It is a view put forward by a mainly American group of scientists,
including Dr David Gisselquist, who told the Times of London that
"Results from the Masaka study add to the already long list of
findings from other studies that don't fit the hypothesis that most
HIV in African adults is from sexual transmission.

"These results from Masaka are similar to results published earlier
from a similar study in Rakai, Uganda, where interventions that
reduced STD prevalence had no impact on HIV incidence." However, such
a view is by no means mainstream in the latest thinking on the spread
of HIV in Africa.

Most scientific research still believes that HIV is mainly spread by
sexual transmission and that people suffering from STDs are
particularly prone.

The trial was the first systematic attempt on a large scale to assess
whether modifying sexual behaviour and better management of other
sexual diseases could cut the transmission of HIV in Africa.

In a commentary in The Lancet, Judith Stephenson and Frances Cowan of
the Royal Free and University College Medical School in London
acknowledged that "many people will be disappointed by the lack of
reduction in HIV incidence, despite an apparently appropriate
intervention that reduced other STDs and was implemented on a huge
scale with great care and commitment."

The two researchers suggest that it might have been "the right trial
and the wrong time" - when HIV incidence was falling and when there
were already substantial reductions in risk behaviour.

Copyright © 2003 The East African. All rights reserved. Distributed
by AllAfrica Global Media (allAfrica.com).
http://allafrica.com/stories/200303190482.html
http://allafrica.com/stories/printab...303190482.html

[PaulKing]

Dear JC,

If AIDS is sexually transmitted how can you explain these figures: -

AIDS CASES IN 2001

http://www.avert.org/eurosum.htm

France 1528

Holland (legal prostitution) 45

Sweden (legal prostitution/very sexually liberated) 42

Denmark (as above) 74

These current statistics hardly suggest a link between AIDS and sexual activity.


Best wishes,


Paul

NOTE: Even the figure for France is really tiny and hardly represents an 'epidemic'. Of these 1528 'cases' most are gay, drugs users or minorities. The 42 cases in Holland in an entire year shows just how safe sex really is!

[Vjklander]

We use condoms when sharing pleasures. But they do inhibit my style
If its for the 'get in, get off, get out' variety of sex, then they work ok, but I like to be a bit playful and experiment a little, so I may not necessarily stay hard the whole time. Obviously, this is less than optimal for condom usage.
J

[PaulKing]

CONSIDER THIS: -

Interesting information.


If AIDS is sexually transmitted how can you explain these figures: -

AIDS CASES IN 2001

http://www.avert.org/eurosum.html

France 1528

Holland (legal prostitution) 45

Sweden (legal prostitution/very sexually liberated) 42

Denmark (as above) 74

These current statistics hardly suggest a link between AIDS and sexual activity.


So does that mean that people in France are less likely to use condoms than in Holland, Denmark and Sweden?

Actually the EXACT REVERSE IS TRUE.

Durex study: -

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/10198/96961

"The number 2 country in the Durex survey (amount of sexual activity) is the Netherlands, where people say they have sex 158 times a year, followed by Denmark at 152. The average among all the countries is 139, with the USA falling just short at 138.

While people are still underprotecting themselves from sexually transmitted infections (STIs) and unwanted pregnancies, according to the Durex Global Sex Survey, the French are the least likely to have had unprotected sex. Just 22 percent said they have not used protection, compared to 61 percent in Sweden who did not take precautions."

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France had over 1528 AIDS cases in 2001 (http://www.avert.org/eurosum.html) compared to 74 in Denmark BUT uses condoms almost 300% more of the time than people in Denmark. Sweden with the LOWEST condom usage rate also has the LOWEST 'AIDS' rate.

[Uneed_Love]

Originally posted by PaulKing
Dear JC,

If AIDS is sexually transmitted how can you explain these figures: -

AIDS CASES IN 2001

http://www.avert.org/eurosum.html

France 1528

Holland (legal prostitution) 45

Sweden (legal prostitution/very sexually liberated) 42

Denmark (as above) 74

These current statistics hardly suggest a link between AIDS and sexual activity.


Best wishes,


Paul

NOTE: Even the figure for France is really tiny and hardly represents an 'epidemic'. Of these 1528 'cases' most are gay, drugs users or minorities. The 42 cases in Holland in an entire year shows just how safe sex really is!

ERROR 404 is what I get when I click on Your link Paul... hummmm You see the result... No condom and CRACK here is an EROR 404

More Seriously all prostitutes are using a condom (I talk about true professionals and not occasionals who sale their body to buy their drugs (cocain, heroin, etc...).

You talk about Gays. OK but are they not involved in sexual intercourses ? So if the HIV is gay transmissible explain me why it could not be heterosexual also ? is the HIV sexist ?

NOW a philosophical or an intellectual GOOD reason to USE the condom :
If You are right and that the condom is useless to protect myself or my GF then wearing one is just like not wearing one regarding to the protection expected.
If you are wrong and the condom is useful then it make a BIG DIFFERENCE between using one or not using one regarding to the same protection expected.
In all case I win and You lose...

It looks like "le pari de Pascal". Pascal was a french philosopher and a scientist in the 17th century. He was the creator of the first computing machine in 1642 and wrote an essay about the reason to believe in God or not. He assumed in this essay that If God does not exist the fact You believe (or You don't believe) in Him doesn't matter BUT if God exist believe in Him can make the difference.

I am not sure if God exist BUT I prefer to believe in Him. I am not sure if the condom is safe BUT I prefer to use one. This is a safe believe.

With my kind salutations for You Paul

JC

[bill&sabrina]

If condoms don't work against the spread of HIV why isn't a mad scramble under way to protect medical professionals? They use latex gloves as a barrier against catching the HIV virus from patients.
Bill

[Uneed_Love]

Originally posted by bill&sabrina
If condoms don't work against the spread of HIV why isn't a mad scramble under way to protect medical professionals? They use latex gloves as a barrier against catching the HIV virus from patients.
Bill

A very GOOD question Bill! And I am curious to know the answer from Paul...

[PaulKing]

Dear Bill,

You don't seem to be aware of the fact that most hospitals in America have banned latex gloves, many have latex free wards and quite a few even ban balloons (except Mylar) as gifts to patients.

I can proved hundreds of references if you doubt this.


Very best wishes,

Paul

P.S. A latex glove is an eight or ten stage dip while a condom never exceeds two. Gloves are far, far thicker.

[PaulKing]

"ERROR 404 is what I get when I click on Your link Paul... hummmm You see the result... No condom and CRACK here is an EROR 404"

Thanks for pointing that out.

The correct URL is: -

http://www.avert.org/eurosum.htm


No 'l' in the 'html'.



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"The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, part of the National Institutes of Health, released the report compiled by the panel of 28 experts, who analyzed about 138 published studies on the use of condoms during penile-vaginal intercourse.

"There was a lack of evidence to help us make a definitive conclusion about the effectiveness of condoms," said panel member Dr. Timothy Schacker, an infectious disease expert at the University of Minnesota"

[PaulKing]

"He assumed in this essay that If God does not exist the fact You believe (or You don't believe) in Him doesn't matter BUT if God exist believe in Him can make the difference. "


...but God, to the best of my knowledge, won't give you cancer if you are wrong....condoms however will.

Not the greatest analogy.

Sorry, but I think you will agree if you think about it.


Very, very best wishes (grovel, grovel). Anything not to lose a valued friend (being serious).


Paul

[PaulKing]

I just remembered I was going to drop the condom issue....oh well....perhaps tomorrow.

[Roxysbayou]

I don't know about most hospitals, but maybe a few. I am in nursing school and have been to hospitals quite frequently recently and boxes of latex exam gloves are on every counter top in a variety of sizes. I have noticed that some are powder free, and most are now containing Aloe, but they still read latex gloves. And I haven't seen any warnings on which type of balloon you can bring either. Maybe it's just a CA phenomena.

[Misty&Todd]

WE always use condoms.. even though we are very careful, i always say better to be safe than sorry

[PaulKing]

A few articles: -

"But Dr. B. Lauren Charous of the Milwaukee Medical Clinic doesn't believe that universal precautions alone are to blame. Charous, chair of the Latex Hypersensitivity Committee of the American College of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology, says he thinks there's something wrong with the product."

"Latex had been used in the medical field for a whole century and we never saw anything like this, so something's funny," he said. "There is no other product that has had the wide use that latex has had that suddenly turned into a potent sensitizer."

Charous, who has been sounding the alarm to health-care groups, says the FDA is not moving quickly enough to protect workers or their patients, more of whom are becoming sensitized every day."


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Latex ballons banned from hospitals.

http://www.gelmans.com/Focus/21/5/page5.html


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As many as 18 million Americans may be affected by latex sensitivity—that’s 64 in every 1,000, up from 1 in 1,000 in the early 1980s, according to the American College of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology.

http://www.nurseweek.com/features/98-1/latex.html


In one of the most extensive latex cleanup projects to date, Brigham & Women’s Hospital in Boston not only banned virtually all latex and powdered gloves, but also conducted a systematic deep cleaning of every surface, including computer components and air ducts, to get rid of powder residue. As a result, the hospital has seen a 40- to 50-percent decline in new cases of sensitization among employees over the last three years, said Nanette Moss, manager of environmental affairs

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"Hospitals decide to ban powdered latex surgical gloves" April 27, 1998, American Medical News:
Three hospitals under Providence Health System in Oregon are ridding powdered latex surgical gloves from operating rooms. Despite increased cost, Roger E. Alberty, MD, director of surgery at Providence St. Vincent feels better safety justifies the change.

"Deadly dust silently invading hospitals" April 11, 1998, The News-Item Shamokin, PA
"It is every patient's responsibility to demand that doctors use powder-free gloves with low levels of latex allergen proteins in order to protect themselves from the dangers of this deadly and serious powder" -Brooke Carl

Time, March 30, 1998 Health Report:
"Fully 12% of health workers are allergic to protective latex gloves. You don't want your doctor to be allergic: syptoms can include going into shock."

Public Citizen Petitions FDA to Ban Cornstarch Powdered Latex Gloves
January 7, 1998: Public Citizen Health Research Group submitted a petition to the FDA calling for an immediate ban on the use of cornstarch powder on latex surgical and examination gloves, citing in their press release the dangers of such powder: "These powdered latex gloves are a serious, unnecessary menace in hospitals and other health care facilities all over the country. Safer alternatives such as powder-free gloves are easily and currently available, but too many hospitals are willing to cut corners and risk the health of their patients and employees." Dr. Sidney Wolfe MD, Director of Public Citizen

http://www.deadlydust.com/IntheNews.htm

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Schools are being asked to rethink their use of latex gloves. There is an increasing number of persons who are experiencing allergic reactions to latex. This allergy has the potential to be life threatening. Those most susceptible include students with known latex allergy, Spina Bifida, and other myelosplasias as well as those with repeated exposure to latex. Many hospitals have eliminated the use of latex gloves completely. Latex gloves are the most common cause of latex allergies and severe latex allergy reactions. Reactions can range from mild skin reactions to anaphylaxis and death.

http://www.ci.lincoln.ne.us/city/hea...2/gloveslv.htm

Hope this helps.

Best wishes,

Paul