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This is a discussion on Metrosexuality in the Lifestyle within the Physical Attraction (Looks/Weight) forums, part of the Self Esteem / Attraction / Fear of Rejection category; My wife has recently begun calling me her "little Metro". For those of you that have been sleeping under a ...
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| Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 239 Location: Central Illinois Status: Male of Couple Swing Lifestyle Name:frenzb4sex | My wife has recently begun calling me her "little Metro". For those of you that have been sleeping under a rock for a while, the term I refer to is known as metrosexuality, which has been defined a thousand ways, but in a nutshell, is a male that is in touch with his feminine side, with some of the following definitions: "The metro- (city) prefix indicates this man's purely urban lifestyle, while the -sexual suffix comes from "homosexual," meaning that this man, although he is usually straight, embodies the heightened aesthetic sense often associated with certain types of gay men" "An urban male with a strong aesthetic sense who spends a great deal of time and money on his appearance and lifestyle" And exhibits the following example behaviors: --VERY interested in his appearance in terms of hair, clothes, shoes, skin. --Doesn't mind going shopping, in fact embraces it. --Is much more caring and loving than the typical male, either to a man or a woman. This includes expressing emotions in an open fashion without regard. --Will cook and clean with fervor --Uses words like fervor Seriously though, this got me thinking a bit. Some of the things I "do" now is tan on pretty much an everyday basis, highlight my hair, treat my hair with conditioner, mousse, and hair spray--I will often accompany my wife on shopping for my clothes and even have say in what we buy, I will wear necklaces now, have picked out shoes (not sneakers, mind you), and as you may have seen on some of my posts, I am the type of person that has a "utopian free love" sentiment on the board. It's nothing for me to be very openly romantic with my wife. I run my mother's business on Ebay sellling salt and pepper shakers, for pete's sake! So does that make me a metrosexual? Possibly. One of the more extreme definitions basically assumes that a metrosexual is a man more entwined in himself than anyone else in a narcissistic manner, displays feminine gay tendencies to an extreme (I equivocate this to JACK on Will and Grace), does not enjoy typical manly things at all, would much rather spend a Friday night watching a musical sipping Grey Goose instead of watching a game drinking some Bud Light....In that sense, I am so NOT metro. So, what's the deal? Elementary, my dear watson. I thought about it, and there was one common denominator--the lifestyle. Ever since we very started actively meeting people about two years ago, my tendencies have moved in the direction that was mentioned above and how I "see" things differently. I am more conscious of how I look and act than ever before. In that sense, swinging has been an awakening from that side of the coin. In my observations, I see males in this lifestyle are more fashion prone, and do care about how they look whenever we attend an event or just simply go out; I also see, even evidenced on this board, that males are much more open, romantic, and caring than, say, a message board on ESPN.com. (Naturally, I wouldn't expect a comment on ESPN in the terms of "A-Rod needs to have his eyebrows plucked" or "Isn't Reggie Miller just DIVINE???" but you get my point) Guys, gals, what's your take on this? Do you see that the men in the lifestyle have more tendencies to be seen as metrosexual (without the obvious gay references)?? What about your individual scenarios? Have you noticed any type of metamorphosis from what they were/you were before the lifestyle?? Do you see such a trend continuing? The "Lil Metro" Tim AND NO, that doesn't mean I like to have sex with Geo Metros..... ![]()
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| Swingers Board Addict | Actually, I think in today's society this is more common. Not just in the lifestyle.My hubby is very concerended wiht his looks & hair, even more so than I am, lol. He is a lot of what you described above, except that he has that true anly side to him too. He loves to watch football, play PS2, hunt, & fish. All those "manly" things. He doesn't have any of those gay tendenices that you mentioned. I describe him as a perfect mix. He is very in touch with his feminie side, but very straight. But he is very comfortable with his own sexuality and is very comfortable with gay men. He used to have a few friends that were gay & even went to gay bars. He is my favorite shopping partner. He is better at telling me what looks good on me & what is in style then any of my girl friends. But I think it is actually society. Men feel they need to look just as good as us women. I think maybe it seems that there are so many in the lifestyle b/c not only are they trying to look just as good as women, but also trying to "catch" the eye of others. I personally like it when men tan, highlight their hair & just really take care of their appearance. I think it is putting an end to that stigma that men are the "ugly" ones & women are the "beautiful" ones. So all those "metro" guys or whatever you want to call yourselves, more power to you! |
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| Active Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 69 Location: Pottstown, Pa Status: Together for 25 of our 40 years on THIS planet. Swing Lifestyle Name:Avantgarden38 | I was under the impression that Metrosexual men were heterosexual guys pretending to be homosexual. . .or men just appearing gay to be "in". Not just men who actually care about their appearance.
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| mildly abnormal | I'd seen metrosexual in similar terms to what frenz has discribed. A man who is stylish, puts an effort into him physical appearance, and is in touch with his feelings. Basically a man who fits many of the sterotypes associated with both women and gay men.
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| Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 223 Location: San Diego, California Status: Single Female | Tim, I'm glad you defined Metrosexual. My darling made a comment about the concept the other day. Nope, we didn't disagree...it was a passing comment about a book discussing metrosexuals. So honestly, I didn't have a clue until I read this thread. I'd have to agree it is refreshing to know a man (finally) who takes care of his hair, skin, muscles....all of his body with the same care women have done for years. In the past it seemed most men would ignore their feet, pores, hair follicles, ears, etc. and consider gross behavior 'normal'. Okay....I'm referring to passing gas in mixed company....something my ex thought was a hilarious, thigh-slapping joke. I was mortified. I am glad American men seem to have discovered what European men have known for years...that well groomed, sexy men are drop-dead attractive. Metrosexuals do all of the things you mention, Tim and more: like hunt, go to museums, read serious literature, cook, invest time in friendships, visit their parents regularly and frequently, frequently tell their Significant Other they love them....yes, I would have to say it is a wonderful thing. Another thing you mention about metrosexuals: they aren't threatened by honesty. When I told my darling I had experience swinging, he wasn't offended, nor did he dismiss me or judge me. He has an open mind-- and is curious about everything. I find this kind of man to be far more intelligent and whole than someone who judges first (out of a feeling of inferiority) and asks questions later (usually much later). I don't think it's limited to the Lifestyle, though. Perhaps it's a new cultural phenomenon. |
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| Registered Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7 Location: Puerto Rico Status: Straight Male | I consider myself a moderate metro-sexual, meaning that I take good care of my body (work-out daily), trim the hairs from my underarms and eybrows but not to the extreme as them looking like women's, like wearing nice fashion clothes, etc. I am very straight and I think that the main reason men do this is to be attractive to women. It is interesting that I had two friends in my youth (back in the sixties) who were doing all the things metro-sexuals now do and their reasoning was that women like or prefer men who look like them. They noticed that the idols of that time were all "pretty faces", women-like faces, so they began plucking their eyebrows, wearing make-up (not colors, just a base to make their skin look nice), applying clear barnish to their nails, taking good care of their hair, etc. At that time they were ridiculed and some even thought they were gay. Now I see that they were ahead of their time. They were both very straight and did that to attract women, and were successful at it! |
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| Only slightly cracked... Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 7,072 Location: Seattle Status: Married Couple | Call me a semi-metrosexual. I do care about my appearance (not that I'm a particularly attractive guy or anything!) I do try to make the most of what I have though...and I own one of those ear and nose hair trimmers. Makeup, however, would be a bit much. Do I still qualify? ![]() -B
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| Chimpin' Ain't Easy Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 6,648 Location: Ohio Status: Married Monkeys - will you be our vine? Swing Lifestyle Name:Spoomonkey | My mother once told me when I was a teenager - "You know... It's okay if you're gay..." Gotta love that silly, drunken charicature of a human being... I think that when I was a kid, being raised by rednecks, I sort of stuck out like a sore thumb. I bathed regularly, would rather write short stories as the stereo blasted whatever banjo pickin' music my folks enjoyed... Well - I'd rather write than hunt and fish... My step father once took me hunting and I came home with four turtle shells that I insisted would make a great set of salad bowls if we could get them clean enough... I remember begging for a hot lather machine when I turned twelve... I have since made my escape to the "big city" leaving behind the shoes stained with dip-spit and hand me down clothes that look like bushes... As the years have passed - and mom has gone from drunk to addictions counselor - I gained a lot from being raised in such a "down home" environment. Perhaps there was something about the extreme homophobia of the south that forged who I am - a guy who isn't afraid to consider a wax job... Metrosexuality, from everything I read, was - thankfully - a short lived fad that came and went as quickly as you can say, "microtouch trimmer." The myth is that "queer eye for the straight guy" somehow truely represents the difference between straight and gay men. And - I think we would all agree that in truth, some gay men are just as disgusting as the most disgusting straight man - and some straight men are just as prissy as the prissiest of gay men. I trimmed my nose hairs long before "metrosexual" became a "buzz word." I listened to classical music and went to art mueseums long before I knew it was making me more "in touch". Funny thing is, I don't think I come across any other way than just "heterosexual" - even if I love HGTV and regularly trim my personal areas... I kind of think the term "metrosexual" charicatures homosexuals and tries to box them into a "Will Truman" package. I know gay men who are fat, have shitty fashion sense and go totally slack-jawed when you bring up theatre. I guess there is some desire to package clean guys who like their clothes ironed and don't mind crying at movies into some sort of "explanation". I just don't think it is necessary. Spoomonkey
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| Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 239 Location: Central Illinois Status: Male of Couple Swing Lifestyle Name:frenzb4sex | I don't think labeling anyone is appropriate at any juncture, because of the diverse nature of many "categories". We're all considered swingers, but that can range from simply being a voyeur and watching others having sex, to full on orgies with anyone and everything, no holds barred. Just like metrosexuality, swinging can be defined a thousand different ways. I don't think I come across any other way than just heterosexual either. My point was that I believe that there are more metrosexual tendencies by men in the lifestyle than those that lead vanilla lives. It's just an observation, that's all. Doesn't mean that you're gay, doesn't mean that you are anything different than the person you are. I think what you are trying to say is that the whole label of being metrosexual is unnecessary. I am not talking about labeling anyone at all, just the whole idea behind what the theory of metrosexuality is and how it plays into the lifestyle. This is not a gay vs. hetero discussion as to the stereotyped differences, but more or less a different perspective about something that society has named and categorized and its correlation with the males in the lifestyle. Let's face it, the dogma that married men have taken on for years is that once we get married, we lose all sense of trying to "keep ourselves up"--that we tend to not care about weight gain, lose our romantic side, develop into slobs. Again, I know it's a distorted view and one that doesn't fit everyone, but it's still a common perception amongst the masses. I think, with the fact that married couples dominate this lifestyle, that seeing a vast majority of men who are "keeping themselves up" (and not with the little blue pill LOL) can be attributed to a sweeping acceptance of doing things that women normally would do, like get pedicures, manicures, relaxation massages, tans, highlighting their hair, etc.--the same traits that the media has stuck into the metrosexual way of things. I don't think that five, ten years ago, men going to tan regularly would have happened quite nearly as often as it does now. We're talking about a perception shift as a whole, and its place in our little (though we wish it was bigger *WEG*) world of swinging. I DO understand that labels can be unnecessary, but for the sake of society's take on this phenomenonal buzz word, "trend" and fad, as you so succinctly put it, I think that when considering such ideology, one can see that it has taken its grasp on the lifestyle. I do agree with the sentiments above that it's not just a lifestyle thing, it's a mass society thing, but my argument would be that if you were to place 100 couples that were in the lifestyle next to 100 couples that were vanilla, you'd find a strikingly higher percentage of men who are metrosexual in some fashion by definition than those that are vanilla. Of course, your survey would probably be incomplete since by the time you got through 10 couples and asking them the other 90 couples would be off having fun. Tim
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| South of disorder Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,913 Location: Utah Status: Male half of married couple | LMAO. My wife has always said I'm a pretty-boy. And that is why she is married to me. I like to wear clean, tidy clothes. I like to smell good. I like to "manscape". I like to be pleasing to the eyes and nose of other people. Women comment to my wife how I always smell soooo good. I've always been this way. They just have come up with a name for it since Queer Eye for the Straight Guy has become so popular. Now, I don't spend tons on clothes. I like my blue jeans and long sleeve T's or Henley's. I don't dress like a male model from Maxim or Playboy. But I always try to look tidy. |
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| Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 239 Location: Central Illinois Status: Male of Couple Swing Lifestyle Name:frenzb4sex | Quote:
Actually the concept/word started in 1994, almost 10 years prior to Queer Eye making its debut.
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| Chimpin' Ain't Easy Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 6,648 Location: Ohio Status: Married Monkeys - will you be our vine? Swing Lifestyle Name:Spoomonkey | Quote:
In re-reading my post - it does sound like I am flaming a bit for "labeling". That wasn't my intent. I think your question and the responses have been valid. My response was more "left field" in that I was responding to the term in general - and it's recent popularity. I was striking out at pop culture - not you guys. So I apologize if I came off wrong. I just didn't end my post well - Mrs Spoo was trying to get me to go hiking and I was still pecking away... Anyway - I did think of this thread while at a restaurant, eating an early dinner and watching Jennifer Capriati beat Elena Bovina at the French Open. I had to explain different aspects of tennis (scoring, surfaces, terminology, etc.) to my football loving wife... I felt VERY metrosexual Spoomonkey PS - I do tend to shave my nethers more diligently since becoming lifestyle active, so I can relate to your point.
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| Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 239 Location: Central Illinois Status: Male of Couple Swing Lifestyle Name:frenzb4sex | You are too much, man. Well, not TOO much man, obviously. LOL And hey--take it easy on us tennis "studs". We rock the party that rocks your body, I'll have you know.......Ok, maybe not.:rollseyes But it does give us stamina in other places!!! Namely, the ability to watch an entire tennis match on TV!!! WOOOHOO!!! And to think you thought of my little ole thread in the middle of a restaurant, tee hee.....I feel special now. Enough to crack open a Merlot and read some Whitman while moisturizing my delicate skin and letting my highlights set....now that's heaven.... Tim
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| Chimpin' Ain't Easy Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 6,648 Location: Ohio Status: Married Monkeys - will you be our vine? Swing Lifestyle Name:Spoomonkey | "Want more smokies with your Merlot?" Spoomonkey
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