Height/wieght proportional. ... yeah right......

[Quin]

It's really rare to have that type of body period. You'll basically find women like that on the fashion walkways of Paris, London, and New York. Even the thinest waisted woman has some shape to her in her hips and bustline. I don't think the waif look is in or really has ever been in, other than within the fashion industry and then even now, you're finding models with more curves than stick straight bodies.

I have shyed away from this thread because body shape is much a preference. Some people like blondes, some women like bald guys, some people like very overweight people, some people prefer those more in shape. I have my own feelings on obesity/morbid obesity just like everyone else has. Is it discrimination because someone isn't attracted to someone who is carrying around a lot or a WHOLE lot of weight? No, it's a preference.

If those that fall into the obese/morbidly obese category think they're being discriminated against because there are people who are just not turned on by them, then they have the option of making themselves more appealing to the masses by losing weight. And I understand that's something that's very hard to do, but almost all insurances will now pay for gastric bypass surgery since it's cost effective in the long run to have that person thinner and reduce the risk of Type2 diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease. While those are not exclusive to obese/morbidly obese people, they are more common and more likely to happen to a person who is overweight than a person who isn't.

Yikes, I've probably said too much already.

Quin

[babydragon]

Maybe some people are shortminded enough not to see beyond your looks, but the majority of people arrange to meet people before anything happens just to make sure they actually like them no???

yes you can have a 36-26-36 figure but if your attitude sucks then most people wont want to know.
Or be a male model 6pack and everything and have a 3 inch dick!!!

I Personally like to actually get to know someone before I do anything at all. looks do help but in the end almost anything can be hidden or just ignored. Have you not heard of dressing up???

I admit yes I am overweight but not by choice and I am not that happy with my own figure but if you ask my man he wouldn't swop me for anyone.

Remember this BBW sahde in the summer and we heat in the winter... and most of all we make better lovers!!!!!!

[Quin]

aaaawww someone took offense. I'm waiting to be called shallow and selfish.

First, I do have a circle of swinging friends that many I have known for more than 15 years and several of them are my best friends, they aren't all perfect in shape.

Secondly, your comment that BBW's make better lovers. That's highly debatable and a rather shallow comment to make on your part isn't it? While you may scream and throw tantrums that you're discriminated against because of your weight, those of us on the other end must suffer your wrath and your snide put downs because you are obese/morbidly obese and in order to pump your self-esteem up, you knock down those of us who work hard to keep our bodies in shape. And believe me, at 42, it would be much easier for me to allow my body to go to hell than to go to the gym 3-4 times a week and work out. While you rant that someone should be taken on the basis of their personality, you then proceed to attempt to belittle those who may not be overweight.

Attitude can go both ways and yours sucks just as bad as any thinner person's does.

Quin

[Alura]

I'm sure a lot of BBW's hear a lot of insensitive remarks. I've seen a number of them posted here.

The question is always, "Why are people so shallow that they won't spend the time to get to know someone who is overweight?" I don't know the answer to that, but it's been my experience that women in general, and particularly BBW's are just as dismissive when given the opportunity to meet a short man. Even Quin, whom I consider to be one of the posters on this board who gives some of the better-thought-out responses, once fell into this trap. In describing Saul of Taursus, who had a myriad of traits "not attractive to women," "short" was one of those traits she listed. (Sorry, Quin, I still think you're super-cool!)

Even if a man is well-educated, reasonably suave, well-dressed, broad fairly muscular shoulders, trim waist and buns, and facially attractive, with no spinich between his front teeth, he has a long uphill struggle with the ladies if he's under 5'6" tall. There are a few ladies who don't think that way and, believe me, they are worth the wait.

Mr. Alura

[Quin]

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Originally posted by Alura:
The question is always, "Why are people so shallow that they won't spend the time to get to know someone who is overweight?" I don't know the answer to that, but it's been my experience that women in general, and particularly BBW's are just as dismissive when given the opportunity to meet a short man. Even Quin, whom I consider to be one of the posters on this board who gives some of the better-thought-out responses, once fell into this trap. In describing Saul of Taursus, who had a myriad of traits "not attractive to women," "short" was one of those traits she listed. (Sorry, Quin, I still think you're super-cool!)

Even if a man is well-educated, reasonably suave, well-dressed, broad fairly muscular shoulders, trim waist and buns, and facially attractive, with no spinich between his front teeth, he has a long uphill struggle with the ladies if he's under 5'6" tall. There are a few ladies who don't think that way and, believe me, they are worth the wait.

Mr. Alura

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Well, being short was the least of Saul's problems in attracting women. His deformities, seizures and possible schizophrenia might be enough to scare any woman away. According to what I've read on Saul of Taursus, he was *dwarf-like* or described as being a little taller than dwarf size. We're hardly talking about a man of 5'6" or even 5'0". But you can have this one, Alura since you added the super cool part. The Mrs. and yourself are super cool also!

I have no problem with short men.

Quin

[youngswingers]

Wow... who would have thought this thread had legs? Quin your post resonate with us, particularly since one of us works in the fitness industry. As we have posted before, we understand where the bitterness comes from- society puts such a stigma of being over weight especially when it comes to our conception of beauty.

What we don't understand is the double standard being applied. Specifically, why it is wrong to choose partners by physical attributes and then claim that people with certain physical attributes are better lovers? If you are an overweight individual participating in this lifestyle that some people will not want to swing with you because that is their preference- just like they may not want to swing with people who are too tall or too small, big breasted or not, too well endowed or not, are nice or are mean, ect. In the end "personality" is about the most subjective of all measures since one person's idea of loveable is another's idea of annoying.

While we generally avoid the need to justify our attraction to fit people, for the purpose of this thread we'll do it. To us fitness implies a common interest in how we look and feel. Furthermore, it demonstrates a common displine and physicall awareness that comes with persuit of a health lifestyle. That being said, we're not perfect by any means and how people "click" with us goes a long way. Ultimately it is attraction that leads us to play or not- something that is as unique to us.

[anandjeff2]

hmm some pretty interesting thoughts there on the short men thing..my nephew who is about 5'7" also has one heck of a big penis..his ex sent a pic ut to fmaily and friends and coworkers of his of the evidence! So while he might be short he sure was given something to make up for the lack of height!

An

[TNT]

5'7" is short? Well, that would depend on how tall you yourself are I'm 4' 11 1/2" myself, so 5'7" is tall to me .

I'm sure that my height is a turn off for some, a turn on for others.

If you are happy with who you are, what does it matter what others think of you?

Everyone has certain things that turn them off or on and no one should be made to feel bad if they are not turned on by a certain body type and in return, they should not be made to feel bad if their body type is not what turns someone else on.

Just be happy with who you are.

Teresa

[HARLEY &LEXI]

LET'S FACE IT PEOPLE. FAT PEOPLE ARE LESS ATTRACTIVE THAN SKINNY PEOPLE(WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A FAT PERSON ON THE FRONT OF A FASHION/PORN MAGAZINE?) I'M NOT HERE TO OFFEND ANYONE, BUT I HAVE BEEN A SIZE 10 (AFTER MY KIDS) AND NOW AM A SIZE FOUR. BELEIVE ME, I GET A LOT MORE ATTENTION AND LOOKS WHEN I'M THIN. I'M NOT INSECURE AND MY HUSBAND LOVES ME AT WHATEVER SIZE I AM, BUT SEX IS SO MUCH BETTER WHEN YOU ARE PHYSICALLY FIT AND ABLE TO LAST UP TO 6 HOURS. ONE MORE THING, I ENJOY WATCHING MY HUSBAND HAVE SEX WITH OTHER WOMEN. HOWEVER, NEITHER ONE OF US WILL EVEN THINK ABOUT SWINGING WITH OBESE PEOPLE.

[Chicup]

Caps lock key, its left of the A key, use it

If you are new to the internet, caps lock is a way of shouting, and its rather annoying unless there is a good reason for it.

[OhioCouple]

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Originally posted by HARLEY &LEXI:
LET'S FACE IT PEOPLE. FAT PEOPLE ARE LESS ATTRACTIVE THAN SKINNY PEOPLE(WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A FAT PERSON ON THE FRONT OF A FASHION/PORN MAGAZINE?) I'M NOT HERE TO OFFEND ANYONE, BUT I HAVE BEEN A SIZE 10 (AFTER MY KIDS) AND NOW AM A SIZE FOUR. BELEIVE ME, I GET A LOT MORE ATTENTION AND LOOKS WHEN I'M THIN. I'M NOT INSECURE AND MY HUSBAND LOVES ME AT WHATEVER SIZE I AM, BUT SEX IS SO MUCH BETTER WHEN YOU ARE PHYSICALLY FIT AND ABLE TO LAST UP TO 6 HOURS. ONE MORE THING, I ENJOY WATCHING MY HUSBAND HAVE SEX WITH OTHER WOMEN. HOWEVER, NEITHER ONE OF US WILL EVEN THINK ABOUT SWINGING WITH OBESE PEOPLE.

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What is your defintion of obese? Both men and women carry weight differently. I have a 5'5" frame (not tall by any standard) but if I weigh any less than 140 pounds I look anorexic. The good Lord chose to give me long athletic legs and skipped the waist department. I wear a size 14(tall...just in case anyone runs into a good sale...hehe) and feel very good about it. After my first born I lost weight and wore a size 3. I maybe weighed in at around 100 pounds, if I were wearing some bell bottomed, rain soaked Levi's. When I look back at those pictures I wonder how I ever survived and sex at that time exhausted me. I don't feel that weight has a bearing on your sexuality or attractiveness. It has more to do with the person inside the body.

Lori

[Flori_DAMAN]

I find it so unnecessary to remind people that fat people are less attractive. Like people don't know that "thin is in". A persons attracted to another for many reasons. Roughly 20 percent of the U.S. population is considered obese by some major study I read. Millions of these people are involved in happy relationsips. So many people have married the nicest thing they could find to hang from there arm and end up with a lifetime of pure hell because they didn't look beyond the hunk or fox factor.

Im no model type but I have never had a problem attracting nice females. Several of my friends are obese and have lots of love and sex.

I guess my point is that anyone with an ounce of reality knows that overweight people are not considered for miss america pagaents, and overweight males arent gonna usually end up with miss america.

Two of my best friends involve a lady that is probably one of Gods most seductive, sensous, pleasant persons ever created. She is married to a real man. He has had his face basically burned off though. I have never seen a couple more in love. Now, I give both of them a lot of credit. Neither one let the disfiguration from preventing what turned out to be a marriage made in heaven.

I give credit to anyone that loses weight though and I happened to have lost 40 lbs myself in the last 18 months. I feel better and know that I am a bit more noticed by women in my age group.

Would I have sex with a profoundly obese woman? Probably not, but I would feel no need to come up with a profound statement along the lines that implies that fat people are less attractive. Maybe I'm sensitive but I think saying things like that is unnecessary and a little mean. John.

[Lorrelei]

I do believe that many people just don't know how to excercise and eat right according to their mental/physical type. In other words, they are on the wrong weight loss plan and that's why a lot of people don't lose weight.

I'm 5'5" in height. Weigh 115 Lbs., and I'm 36C-26-36. I excercise regularly and I'm a strict vegetarian (vegan). I've been told many times that I'm very hot-looking, and people are always asking me why I have sex with "ugly, fat, and old people". My biggest turn-on is personality/attitude. I don't care what a person looks like. I've had sex with "unattractive" people with fantastic personalities, and absolutely gorgeous people with OK personalities. And I have much more fun with the former....Nobody's perfect.

[Quin]

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. Roughly 20 percent of the U.S. population is considered obese by some major study I read.

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That number is way off, according to the most recent study done. According to Dan Rather (heard it on the CBS news last night www.cbs.com), approximately 127 million Americans (65% of the population) are obese by medical standards.

Quin

[Chicup]

Hehe yesterday they said 1-3 on the radio.

Remember 80% of all statistics are made up on the spot

The problem with obeseity, is you can't trust a lot of the numbers, its political in that there is a lot of grant money to be had for the 'right' studies. Trust me when I say scientists are as biased as any other group out there.