Jump to content

Fours Company

Registered
  • Content Count

    367
  • Joined

  • Days Won

    4

Fours Company last won the day on May 22 2014

Fours Company had the most liked content!

Community Reputation

169 Excellent

About Fours Company

  • Rank
    Swingers Board Addict
  • Birthday 08/09/1968

Personal Info

  • Relationship Status
    Couple
  • Location
    Orlando, FL
  • Interests
    Swinging.
  • Swinging Experience
    Since 1999.
  • Anniversary
    xx/xx/xxxx

Recent Profile Visitors

The recent visitors block is disabled and is not being shown to other users.

  1. The "just in case" reasoning was one of the excuses given to us as well, claiming if someone came down with an STD, the hosting couple could contact anyone else who attended and warn them. Now to that I say even if I thought that was a good thing, a phone number or email could accomplish that task as well as our friends, whom they communicate regularly with, keeping us in the loop. To me, there is simply no reason that has to be accomplished by knowing our full names and address. I mean, are they going to have to come tell us in person we might have been exposed to something? I do find, as you pointed out, how unsettling it is that most attendants see nothing wrong with giving out unnecessary information as well as turning it around on anyone who objects and making them out to be unreasonable. I think this is just an extension to the direction vanilla society has been going for some time now when the majority are willing to give up personal info and rights for a little security and convenience as well as the "tell all" nature for entertainment and exposing every mundane and personal aspect on social media. For my thinking, information is power and no one can guarantee 100% no matter what they claim that info will never be out of their control and bite some one in the ass in the future and it is the height of naivety for anyone to believe otherwise when signing such documents. That caution has at times made me out to be the paranoid, odd-bird in vanilla life and now, I guess in the LS as well with some couples.
  2. Thank you all so far for the intelligent and informative answers and one of the things I missed about this community when I was away (and thanks to cplnuswing for the welcome back). This has been one of these things that I feel like I've been forced into two minds over. On one hand we trust our friends when they say they trust this other couple and nothing bad has ever come over these agreements in the years they've known them and we did want to attend this party both to spend time with our play couple and to meet others especially given our vanilla constraints, the only way we've been able to meet others is through them. On the other hand, by not attending because of our uncomfortableness over this we risk upsetting our friends, who already think we're being silly over this, as well as having no other New Years options in it's place, LS or vanilla. As I stated our sticking point is not so much this other couple's automatic assumption we are going to expose everyone there to vanillas (though that is a significant part) but leaving a permanent record of our involvement in the LS by having to fill out a form that requires a last name and home address. While I might believe our friends as far as this other couple not deliberately using this information against anyone (since they also would be exposing themselves and claim it is also for our protection as well), in this day and age anyone with sense knows private info can get away from someone no matter how well the promise of confidentiality. Databases can get hacked (just ask Target & Home Depot), to say nothing of what will happen to all those signed agreements after they decide to no longer wish to have parties or even if they are no longer around. What will their relatives do with it? Will they just be discarded in the trash the same way a lawyer's office in our area had recently done with their legal forms after he died? We just don't feel comfortable having the potential of anything proof-positive tie the "real" us back to having attended a swinger's party should the info get out of the control of the holder for whatever reason, malicious or not. So I guess when all that's said and done we might have to nix the whole thing even at the cost of upsetting our friends and missing what might be an otherwise good party, though that fun would likely be diminished even if I gave in, since once I get a bad taste about something, it's hard for me to move beyond it and enjoy it. At least, there seems a general consensus here that I'm not being paranoid over this and find it obtrusive.
  3. Though I found it's a toss-up between boobs and butt for a traditional choice, a good backside likely would win the contest. While I prefer a woman with an average to slightly above size chest, it is by no means a deal-breaker in the arousal department, unlike the butt which must be ample enough to require both hands and find women with the small, firm butt of a man most unappealing. In the purely naked, sexual department, No. 1 would be pubic hair. For me it's existence and revealing will always be an enormous turn-on and while I can forgive a little trimming and still find it appealing, there must be at least SOME there. For a less sexual attraction I would go with the hair on her head, the longer and blonder the better. Bonus points if both locations of hair match (Mrs. Fours has spoiled me)!
  4. I would include examples of pics taking at a vanilla gathering were other non-LS adults are in the pic with one or both of the couple or in the background. One also sees this a lot on amateur post-your-pic sites with either the vanillas' faces censored or sometimes just half the body cropped out. I mean, how hard is it for someone to take pics specifically for profiles then having to use ones with your vanilla friends or co-workers? The most clueless we've seen though has to have been the one profile pic with the female half posing provocatively over a sports car (which seemed more designed to show off their "status" then her) with her face blurred, but the license plate fully visible!
  5. Hi everyone. It's been a very long time since I've been able to visit the board and while some of it had to do with LS related reasons (including discussions here at the time) and I felt I needed a break; most of it was simply a matter of time and lack of enthusiasm caused by employment and other non LS issues. While we've still been semi-active in the LS throughout this time, a recent issue has caused me to have to turn to the only place I know to get logical and sage advice. We've been invited to a private party by our good friends and play couple hosted by a couple they claim they've known for years. Since this other couple has never met us, we are required to sign a privacy agreement that while written like a legal contract (one of them is an attorney) basically says if we disclose any information about others attending we can be sued. Now understand, we very much believe in the need for discretion in the LS and are not the "fuck & tell" type and can understand others wanting to assure that same discretion especially given vanilla society's view toward swinging and thus don't have an issue swearing an oath or allegiance or whatever one wants to phrase it to that effect. Our issue is thus not so much then the reasoning behind it, but the fact this agreement requires a lot of personal information, IMO. While we have no problem of course giving new couples our first names and even our phone or email info if there is trust, I guess my sticking point is the part requiring last names and full home address and to a lesser extent several questions dealing with our relationship and experience in the LS. While we are an open book with our play couple it had taken us a few sessions to build up that trust and we do not feel comfortable revealing certain info to new people regardless of their need for reassurance to protect their "interests". What likely does not sit well with us either is the fact the need for trust seems one-way: while we must "prove" our sincerity for discretion despite our friends vouching for us, we must trust their vouching for the hosting couple that this is totally necessary and our info will be protected and they don't understand the big deal we are making out of this to the point of accusations of paranoia. So has anyone else ever heard of such a requirement at a LS event, let alone a private party, and what would you do or have you done in such a situation? Am I really making a big deal about this or is my "red alert" somewhat justified? Do you feel like no matter how the need for trust in the LS, there is always some risk involved and trying to migrate that risk under the guise of a legal agreement and revealing personal info is over the top and takes the "fun" out of meeting new people or is such a move entirely valid in today's "expose all secrets" climate of vanilla society? I look forward to any help of the fine, knowledgeable members here who've proven so invaluable in the past and hopefully I can find the time to reintegrate myself back into the community here and participate more again.
  6. We also enjoy porn that feature real couples and where the women are more realistic and of more varied body types. I'm afraid I don't have knowledge as far as the websites of individual couples who make, sell or trade DVDs (though I'm sure a google search will turn something up), but I do recommend the "Better Sex" series of videos by the Sinclair Institute. They feature actual couples and are very tastefully done without the constant close-up gyno and fake vocal responses of paid actor movies. They are also very informative and seem popular with women who are turned off by "regular" porn. Hope that helps a little.
  7. Though I consider myself straight and have no desire to branch out beyond that at this time, thinking about my own feelings and that of my wife's on this issue, I can understand your ambivalence. To put it more in context, the wife has admitted one of her fantasies involves me in a situation with another man and she would like to see it one day, if I ever decided to pursue such a thing. However, like you, I feel that if ever I did find that a reality, I would likely feel less comfortable with her there vs. something one-on-one. I'm not entirely sure why I feel this way. Perhaps it is because of the still negative reaction society has to male-on-male sex, that I subconsciously would feel not right about it in front of her, despite the fact she claims it would turn her on rather than disgust her. Or maybe it is because I would want a first experience as significant as that to be all about the experience itself vs. a part of our shared swinging. In other words, I think a significant factor in my comfort would be having the opportunity to experience Bi sex without feeling a significant portion of it was to serve as an exhibitionist performance for her as I sometimes feel she has done for me with girl/girl sex. In fact I'd like her to experience her own bi-play in privacy without worrying about my presence, but finding a true bi-female or a couple with one has been enough of a challenge. If I ever get to the point someday where I would want to experiment, I think the best situation for the first time would be with a bi-couple in separate rooms for the same-sex part that way we both could get to fully enjoy things without feeling we are just putting on a performance for the other's benefit.
  8. Since I lean old school and are not much into current celebrities, there are plenty of 80's rocker chicks I imagined myself with back in my coming of age days, but Stevie Nicks would still top that list today. Even at her age she is still one of the hottest women out there (and perhaps because I lean towards older women, her maturity is actually a plus ). In fact, I'd have to say a Stevie Nicks/Pat Benatar sandwich would be the ultimate menage a trois hall pass .
  9. I was going to mention bare feet, but as indicated a few posts upthread, this would actually fall into a turn-on or preference, rather than a fetish. Basically, while I find myself sometimes focusing on a well maintained pair of female feet as arousing, but only as part of the overall package. In other words, I can not get off on the image of a foot alone and thus I don't believe it would be considered a fetish or any sort of paraphilia. But because it is an important enough part of the female form, I prefer when a women is naked she is totally naked and thus don't find most porn when the woman is still wearing shoes arousing or when some of my playmates have preferred to leave their socks or stockings on. I guess then an actual fetish might be considered pregnant women. I have always found myself especially aroused by pictures of expectant women and always thought the wife looked her most beautiful and sexiest was when she was carrying our children. Other then that, I really can't think of any other preference that would qualify as a fetish, though I find it's telling that there are some who would consider my preference for pubic hair on a female as a fetish and shows how far certain trends such as total shaving have become normalized.
  10. To be honest, I've never understood the concept of Poly, let alone been interested in it as to me while Polys could also be considered swingers, swingers are not Polys, if that makes sense. I guess for us the LS has always been about the sharing of bodies and while we have cared very much about some of our LS friends like our current "go-to" couple, our hearts are only shared with each other. Though as a swinger, I obviously understand and believe in the concept of one sharing physical pleasures with others, I just don't understand how one can give or receive an emotion such as love equally to others. Perhaps I'll admit that a concept such as Poly does give me trepidation and yes, maybe even frighten me a little. This is also the reason why I had such an issue not too long ago with friends who seemed very interested in having a sleep over with the other spouse and even swapping for a weekend and though I had a hard time grasping why they wanted this, my suspicions were going up that path. At this point in our life we prefer to limit our relationships with other couples to sex only and don't ever see that changing. Though I'll admit many of my sessions with others have been intimate to the point I feel more like I'm "making love" rather than "just having sex", I only love the one woman I've chosen to share my life with.
  11. While I was going to offer my thoughts on this, seeing how the response to this subject this can be especially if one has a different opinion then the majority, has me thinking I should tread lightly. I guess my only issue whenever this comes up is the how it can make other women who've never been capable of it feel. Mrs. Fours has even been spurned in the past because the guy felt since squirting seems so prevalent that she must be abnormal somehow. Needless to say, for someone already insecure due to issues of just "regular" lubrication, this really didn't help. While I don't doubt the existence of squirting (whatever it consists of) either in general or amongst anyone here, I guess I've just never been with the right play partner yet to witness it and thus perhaps one can say my opinion on the issue is subjective.
  12. Although the first couple we ever were with was at their house (it was limited to the girls playing only), I'm assuming the question refers to an all party-exchange in which case it the answer would also be at the other couple's house both for our first soft and MUTUAL full swap (the first full swap occurred at a club/house party, but only involved the wife and the other man). Since we've had children living at home throughout our time in the LS, we've yet to utilize our place in any capacity.
  13. I never had any direct play in that area by someone else however the wife will sometimes stimulate the perineum during oral, which combined with pressure on the scrotum will produced a very heightened orgasm. I will admit I have tried a more direct approach with a finger part-way during solo play once or twice and found it could produce ejaculation of itself without stimulating the penis, though strangely while the sensation and volume was stronger, the expulsion itself was weaker. Not sure how comfortable I'd be with someone else doing that, but when it comes to anal play it definitely is all about the prostate.
  14. At this point in the LS, we do not do "hall passes" and could not see that changing anytime soon (though I'll admit as with rules past, I've learned never to say never). To us, swinging is a shared activity and while we might do separate rooms on a follow-up with a couple we've come to trust, we are not comfortable going our separate ways at a club, let alone a "date" where one person stays home. We also do not play with other couples who have a hall pass especially since 99% of the time it will be the male half of the couple doing the propositioning.
  15. Similar to what everyone else has said, that although there is the potential to limit your options in the case of couples where bi-play is important or mandatory, but that will not be the case across the board since there are plenty willing to play it straight and respect your situation and choices in how you play. As in our case, although we prefer others were the woman is truly Bi and not just curious or bi-situational (or they just claim Bi on their profile to get more hits) and wanting to interact with Mrs. Fours equally, we are always willing to limit g/g with a straight-female couple. Preferences are just that and not the end-all-to-be-all of having a good time. So while in one way it might limit meeting a few couples you may want to be with, I don't think by much. Just be clear up front about your preferences and limits and don't feel you have to compromise on them in order to meet fun people and your find they will come to you.
×
×
  • Create New...