If money is involved can it still be swinging?

[yawanna]

I have a question......several posters here offer links to their... PAY sites. Is swinging being exploited beyond clubs and events for money? When an exchange of cash (or credit card numbers) comes into the equation....is it still swinging?

And puhleeze no one give me that old tired line of 'we separate the business sex from the swinger sex'. Far too often we've seen a 'couple' ask for a 'donation'.

Is swinging confused with prostitution by some?

[fun_pairTX]

Seriously, I have never heard of anyone asking for a donation. If anyone ever asked us for one the response would be a large amount of laughter.

[WildFlower]

I have never had anyone ask for donations either. That doesn't fit my definition of swinging. I would call that just plain rude to ask for a donation of any kind be it for there pay site or to contribute to there vacation fund. That would be way to forward.
I would not call it swinging if the couple asked for cash I would call it prostitution.

[StacyCat]

I never seperate my "business sex" with my personal fun. Its my motto not to do anything on camera that I wouldnt do off :-)

I do have a pay site, but its on my terms. I would never ask the guys to put up any money (thats way too close to prostitution for my legal and moral tastes) I wont attend most local "swingers" parties because I believe that they are more to make money for the organizers than for actual swinging. I saw an advertisement that asked for 75 dollars for men, part of a couple or not!

But, there have been a lot of talk on webmaster boards on how to "exploit" or "get" swingers to join sites. I just offer my sexual truth :-)

But, sex for money is prostitution.

[yawanna]

sex for $$ is yes prositution (altho not in the criminal code definition....it's offering to trade sex for $$ that's illegal...actually taking $$ but not asking or offering is legal )

I understand businesses that offer a venue, be it a bar or hotel room, where people can pay a 'membership fee' for the opportunity of being in one location with other people who may, or may not, become sexual partners during the day, evening, what have you.

Selling pics of yourself/yourselves online, pics depicting supposed 'swinger' encounters is what I'm asking about really.

Swinging offers the opportunity to have real life experiences...I wonder what line was crossed, if any, where some 'swingers' sell their pics.


We can get it for free..why pay?

[JustAskJulie]

As someone who had a pay site depicting my lifestyle, I'll give you my opinion.


Swinging is swinging. Yes, there were occasions where I did swing on camera. But money was not involved with people that I swang with.

In those cases the people paying money are those who wish to view the pictures of those encounters, not the people I was actually having sex with. And like StacyCat I would never do anything (or anyone) on camera that I wouldn't have done without a camera present.

THere are some sites/couples that do (I feel) exploit the swinging lifestyle to make a buck. They present themselves as swingers and the only extramarital sex they have is what they do on camera and for the sake of the camera/ website. That is a whole different story in my book. At that point, you are having sex to make money (whether or not you are getting paid to actually have sex).

[StacyCat]

Julie, that philosophy really came from you. I loved how you ran your site with integrity, and stayed true to yourself :-)

[jen]

If something can be done. Someone is willing to sell it and someone else is willing to buy it.

To each his/her own.

Or something

[Brit_Pair]

I read this thread's title and thought someone over there had come up with a racy new t.v. game show.

[519Couple]

Swinging for $$$: You mean someone would actual PAY us to do this????

[lovers]

We have a pay site, but it is completely seperate from swinging. In fact except for a couple we play with on a regular basis, we don't let anybody know that we do a pay site. That way we don't have any "issues" with people who may take the pay site thing the wrong way or simply want to do a "porn star."

[yawanna]

ummm... your signature line on all your posts is a direct link to your pay site.

[StacyCat]

Originally posted by yawanna
We can get it for free..why pay?

Im confused on what your question or problem is :-) Is your beef is the picture sets in which we say "this was a swinging party, see what fun we have?" Or is your beef in someone that says "you have to pay me for sex" or "you have to be a member of my site"? Or just a general "i dont like paysites" :-)

Yes, swinging is done in real life. and the internet, and offering pictures, uses fantasy to sell stuff :-) I dont see any line being crossed, I take pictures of me having sex (in real life) and put them on my website for my members to have "fantasies" about. I dont use hidden cameras, everyone in my pictures has consented to them. I dont pay people to have sex with me, nor do I accept payment for having sex with them

but, most "swinging" websites dont cater to swingers for their members. In fact, every online site caters to the fantasies of their members, because their members think that they cant have what the site offers. You join a "swingers" site because you like fantasizing about swingers, you join an interracial site because you like interracial pictures :-)

[velbuzz]

sell said cat

Swinging is mutual playing. No one is working. Unfortunately, some of those working realize that swinging is a catch word to lure people looking for fun sex. However, should the person parting with the green do so, that person is no longer swinging either.

I trust those that do sell pics of "swingers" have adequately compensated all the models.

And finally, to those business people who are operating venues for people to meet, they are not paying for swinging, but the opportunity for others to swing.

[yawanna]

StacyCat posted:

Im confused on what your question or problem is

Swinging = Respect = Discretion = sex with people including and with other than your primary partner. At what point does swinging become a source of income?

A pay site for people to share what they call their swinging experiences, stories and pics, is something I don't see fitting in there. I didn't say it was prostitution, but I pondered if it may be?
It was my original understanding that if and when swingers took pics, they were for personal shared use only, with permission. For those pics and stories to be put up for sale (or rent as it were) means it wasn't just like minded people getting together for their own amusement and enjoyment, it was a means of making some cash, too.

The equation Swinging = Respect = Discretion = Sex = cash ? ......

We know swinger club owners/operators who set up the venue, the bar, the location, the dj, the advertising and run the club for the night. Sure they may participate in activities during the evening of the house party or the off premise club, and we pay our membership or door fees to have the opportunity of participating. We don't begrudge them that as they are running the event so to speak and provided a service and venue for our $$$.

Even at house parties, private homes and one couple hosting, we contribute a minimal fee for the food, use of their home and hottub, and BYOB.

The connection to sex can = $$ is too great I think for some people to not say 'why the hell not?" and I think why the hell not because it's supposedly only for the participants pleasure, not to be sold online or elsewhere for those who can't or won't participate but for a small fee they can enjoy the pics and stories.

It just doesn't equate, for me, into the scheme of things of real swinging.