GFE - Prostitution In The Lifestyle, Part II

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by singleagain

For me, having a GFE prostitute on my arm when I show up at a club allows me to continue to live the lifestyle with a person I enjoy being with.

Do you tell the couples that you play with that your companion is an escort? Some would be uncomfortable playing with her if they had this information - and down right pissed if they found out after the fact. While I understand your desire to swing, I think it is selfish and irresponsible to subject others to sex with a prostitute just so you can be with the "in crowd" again.

Spoomonkey

[kush2112]

Originally Posted by Spoomonkey

Do you tell the couples that you play with that your companion is an escort? Some would be uncomfortable playing with her if they had this information - and down right pissed if they found out after the fact. While I understand your desire to swing, I think it is selfish and irresponsible to subject others to sex with a prostitute just so you can be with the "in crowd" again.

Spoomonkey

When are you going to let people state their own opinions instead of telling the world for them? Do you work for the Bush administration or something?

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by kush2112

When are you going to let people state their own opinions instead of telling the world for them? Do you work for the Bush administration or something?

I would like to think that everyone here can express an opinion - including me.

And for the record, politics are not discussed on this board. PLEASE read the TOS. That said, you obviously have misjudged mine. You seem to have a knack for inaccurate statements...

Spoomonkey

[kush2112]

Originally Posted by Spoomonkey

I would like to think that everyone here can express an opinion - including me.

And for the record, politics are not discussed on this board. PLEASE read the TOS. That said, you obviously have misjudged mine. You seem to have a knack for inaccurate statements...

Spoomonkey

So this statement is not speaking for other individuals? “Some would be uncomfortable playing with her if they had this information - and down right pissed if they found out after the fact.” This came right from your post, word for word. Are you the some in this statement? Some implies more than one, are you more than one individual? I think not, therefore, you are trying to speak for others. I can also tell when you know you are wrong, because you go off topic every time.

[graygo98]

He is saying that in his opinion it is at best misleading to other people to pass off a hooker as your SO so that you can be part of the scene if you don't make disclosure up front.

I think he's right. Personally, we would be so pissed to find out after the fact that it might get very ugly.

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by graygo98

I think he's right. Personally, we would be so pissed to find out after the fact that it might get very ugly.

Thanks, graygo. That is my point. I know that in places where prostitution is regulated, STDs might be well controlled. But, the perception and comfort level is still such that people wouldn't be comfortable playing with a "professional". If you consider that in most states (and by most, I mean more than 10% ) prostitution is illegal and unregulated, that only compounds the level of discomfort.

Being exposed to a heightened risk unaware would bother me.

Spoomonkey

[kush2112]

Originally Posted by graygo98

He is saying that in his opinion it is at best misleading to other people to pass off a hooker as your SO so that you can be part of the scene if you don't make disclosure up front.

I think he's right. Personally, we would be so pissed to find out after the fact that it might get very ugly.

I’m not saying that anyone would not agree with him. I am saying that other individuals can speak their mind on their own as you just did.

[singleagain]

Spoomonkey said "Do you tell the couples that you play with that your companion is an escort? Some would be uncomfortable playing with her if they had this information - and down right pissed if they found out after the fact. While I understand your desire to swing, I think it is selfish and irresponsible to subject others to sex with a prostitute just so you can be with the "in crowd" again."

That depends upon the couple. It has been my experience that many couples never inquire about more than whether a person has std's while others want a complete background check. My "escort" has check-ups at her doctor's office every month, always uses condoms and sees a few select clients. I had to pass a serious back-ground check before she would even see me the first time. I find it quite interesting that the only time I ever contracted any sexually transmitted problems was while visiting a swing club in Tennessee in the 80's. Both my wife and I came away from that experience with a serious case of crab lice. We shaved before it was common practice. Had we been a little more careful about who we played with that night we might not have had that sad experience.

In any case, for the ones who have asked how I met her, we have been forthcoming. But, as I suspect most swingers practice, we have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

kush2112 said "I can also tell when you know you are wrong, because you go off topic every time."

Some of the best advice I have ever read came from Spoomonkey. He is level headed and right on target almost every time. As for his question to me, I think it is in order and worded just right. As for his understanding of swinging, he impresses me with not only his understanding of that subject but his understanding of people as well...kudos Spoo.

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by singleagain

My "escort" has check-ups at her doctor's office every month, always uses condoms and sees a few select clients. I had to pass a serious back-ground check before she would even see me the first time.

Fair enough - and it is up to each couple to play in situations where they feel comfortable doing so.

Here is another question - and I do appreciate the gracious way that you answered the last one - as well as the undeserved compliment - all "exchange of monies" takes place away from the club, correct? While this may be a technicality, I would say that this does insulate the club from potential legal tangles (at least, I hope it does).

Someone else can correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks again for your response and for clarifying things a bit better. I am glad that you are enjoying the lifestyle again. Good luck out there!

Spoomonkey

[The Fuse]

Originally Posted by kush2112

So this statement is not speaking for other individuals? “Some would be uncomfortable playing with her if they had this information - and down right pissed if they found out after the fact.” This came right from your post, word for word. Are you the some in this statement? Some implies more than one, are you more than one individual? I think not, therefore, you are trying to speak for others. I can also tell when you know you are wrong, because you go off topic every time.

kush2112,

One of the ways it becomes apparent that someone is out of line on this board is when they start attacking an individual, rather than the opinions of that individual. You are attacking Spoomonkey. He is quite capable of defending himself, so I'm not out to do that.

But as someone who enjoys reading this board because of my respect for the people who post, and their opinions, I'd like to ask that you address the thread topic when you post, and refrain from picking petty fights. If you disagree with someone's statement, then say you disagree, but please don't make it personal. This is a discussion board, not a place to flame people.

[Chicup]

Originally Posted by kush2112

When are you going to let people state their own opinions instead of telling the world for them? Do you work for the Bush administration or something?

Crazy kilt man is happy. He is happy because for once he isn’t the target of such a reply. Spoo do you ever get these kind of replies in a PM? I get them every so often, normally someone pissed off with my opinion, sometimes from lurkers who have been lurking here for years and never posted. Also a Bush tie in is, well just weak, I’d expound on it more but politics are rightly banned from the board.

Originally Posted by kush2112

So this statement is not speaking for other individuals? “Some would be uncomfortable playing with her if they had this information - and down right pissed if they found out after the fact.” This came right from your post, word for word. Are you the some in this statement? Some implies more than one, are you more than one individual? I think not, therefore, you are trying to speak for others. I can also tell when you know you are wrong, because you go off topic every time.

That’s not speaking for other individuals, that’s just common sense. I have to really think hard to think of a couple who wouldn’t be upset with this and those are couples we wouldn’t play with based on personality. As a rule I think Spoo can speak for me on most issues, so if he does it again, you can rest assured hes speaking for others with the proper authority.

Singleagain – So if we were to meet a club, talked a bit, and if I said ‘So are you guys married?’ how would you respond? I have a hard time picturing someone saying ‘No, I pay her to come here so I can still enjoy the lifestyle’.

Based on what you described, STD’s wouldn’t be a worry, and perhaps less so than with some couples, but I still wouldn’t feel ‘right’ playing. Being you brought her there so basically you could play with my wife, the implication to me is that you basically paid to have sex with my wife. Now I know this might not be completely logical, but its not too far off to make me feel comfortable with it.

Or perhaps another way to look at it, is that you are still the ‘dreaded’ single guy, only thing is you paid for a hooker for me. Now you say she really does enjoy the experience, and that might well be true, but I’d always have my nagging suspicions about it and I’d never want to play with a woman who I thought might not really want to play with me but was being either forced to by a overbearing husband, or paid by a client unwilling to leave the lifestyle.

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by Chicup

Also a Bush tie in is, well just weak, I’d expound on it more but politics are rightly banned from the board.

I like bush!!!

And that is not a political statement at all facelick

Actually, Chicup, when people start picking on me I wonder why they aren't picking on you

Spoomonkey

[meandher2go]

me and her both agree prostitution should be legal. everyone gets what they want and that includes the taxes being paid.

we have admitted to hiring one in the past and would do it again if we feel the need.

we dont do the club thing so we can comment on that.

[singleagain]

Spoomonkey said "Here is another question - and I do appreciate the gracious way that you answered the last one - as well as the undeserved compliment - all "exchange of monies" takes place away from the club, correct? While this may be a technicality, I would say that this does insulate the club from potential legal tangles (at least, I hope it does)."

When we walk through the door all business transactions have been taken care of. There is never any hint that she is a "professional". I hasten to add that many of the people I have met in the lifestyle have jobs outside the norm. I have met prostitutes, strippers and escorts. Just because they have a job that some don't approve of doesn't make them bad or mean that they should never be allowed in a swing club. If I married this woman and she wished to continue her "profession" I would not object and I would hope we would keep on swinging.

Chicup asks "So if we were to meet a club, talked a bit, and if I said ‘So are you guys married?’ how would you respond?" Good question and I would say the same thing any other couple should respond with...a simple no always suffices. A better question might be (if you thought it warranted) is "What is your profession?" Of course most swingers I know don't want to talk about their profession for pure reasons of privacy. By the way, what is your profession?

[singleagain]

Chicup says "Based on what you described, STD’s wouldn’t be a worry, and perhaps less so than with some couples, but I still wouldn’t feel ‘right’ playing. Being you brought her there so basically you could play with my wife, the implication to me is that you basically paid to have sex with my wife. Now I know this might not be completely logical, but its not too far off to make me feel comfortable with it.

Or perhaps another way to look at it, is that you are still the ‘dreaded’ single guy, only thing is you paid for a hooker for me. Now you say she really does enjoy the experience, and that might well be true, but I’d always have my nagging suspicions about it and I’d never want to play with a woman who I thought might not really want to play with me but was being either forced to by a overbearing husband, or paid by a client unwilling to leave the lifestyle. "

I neither pay for a hooker for you nor do I pay for a hooker in hopes of getting to have sex with your wife. I pay for a hooker simply because I haven't found a willing partner who is single and not cheating. And my escort really does enjoy herself. Actually what I have paid for is a night of the purest pleasure at a price roughly equivalent to the prices I used to pay when I took my wife to clubs. And my escort tells me that when she is with me at a club she feels free to be herself and enjoys the moment much more because of it. And of course there is never any jealousy or turmoil...no drama...and everybody goes home very happy and pleased. By the way, don't think for a minute that this is about the money on my part. It is about the pleasure, not only for me, but for her and for the couples we play with.

It is different, but let me say this...a female friend who met my escort friend aong with her husband had her first ff experience with her. That was about three months ago and she hasn't come down from the highly charged experience yet. Says it was a great way to learn things bi and is grateful for the opportunity. The poor thing had been rejected by every woman at the club until we came along. When they later were talking with us at McDonalds over a cup of coffee she discovered what my escort does for a living. Her first reaction was somewhat similar to what you described you might feel. But before we left she asked when we could get together again...oh well...it takes all kinds to float a boat...doesn't it?