ken -N- lea

Now as to this topic. L and I are very picky about the people we play with, alcohol in moderation is fine, meaning one or two. Drugs of any type are out, not because we shun people that do them, but as parents we both believe in setting a good example for our kids. Yes we have discussed Viagra (sounds like fun) but until it is actually needed if ever ;-) it is a no for us also. We have turned down couples for the very reason that one or both of them were drunk or close to it.

Ken is 34 and I am 33. We have been swinging for 10 years together, with time off for babies. :p

We make sure that the kids are not around when we play. They are at a sitters. We have several couples that we are friends with that we also play with. If they come over when the kids are home, nothing sexual happens. We don't even swear when the kids are around and awake. Well...ok...there was that one time, but when one cuts their thumb open with a knife, one should swear a little.

well i'm glad that we haven't had the problems that all of you are describing, yes we have had the single/ married male thing but only a few times. the cpls that we have met over the net have been great (the screening process that we put them through is long and intense)since we also don't "cyber" that thins things out quite a bit. the best place we have made connections is the chat room here. (thanks julie) in fact we are going to our first social in years next weekend and met a cpl in the chat room that is going too. When looking at others adds we read the profile closely just because we don't want to lead people on or be led on ourselves. so i think that to meet "good" people online it just takes time. One good way to find out if a couple is for real is to have them take a pic with a sign that has your names on it, this is one way to find out if they are "real" and not a cheater or a 16 yo. just have to say good luck in finding what you are looking for and there is hope. Now if only the regular posters lived closer, most of you sem to be "real" and sound fun Ken

lea and i have now for the first time in ten years of swinging really discused this topic. and we decided that for us kissing is not a problem as long as it is in a sexual way ie. not just sitting around making out with someone else. as far as kissing being more intimate than penatration i think it can be in the right (or wrong) situation. for us the only thing that is off limits is anal with her, i'm the only guy who has been there and thats the way its going to stay. ken

I am not the longest stick in the woodbox either but have had very few complaints (1 from a lady married to a horse, my wife complained he was to big. Also he couldn't get it in or keep it up. Guess who had more fun that night LMAO )I agree with other posts here, the way you use it is more important than size but i may be prejudiced. Just tell him or show him that others have this problem and we don't find that it is a PROBLEM Ken

Hey just reading the old posts that we hadn't read. If anyone needs a pic to send to someone who you are sure is just a pic collector e-mail me with what you want and i will send you some. We have a extensive collection (from news groups and some flashers that we know).

After reading all the posts on this thread my jaw is on the floor. I always thought that swinging WAS all about sharing and accepting others IDEAS without judgment of them. Personally I have never been interested in a bi experience but I can see that for others its OK. If someone approaches me and asks me if I want to have one (bi experance) I tell them no, if they insist or badger me then I will walk away as in turn the other cheek. You can always ignore someone or walk away if you don't like them or what they say. So let's all take a breath and look at how we want to be treated and and treat others the same way.

we play strip poker with a twist. each player gets $10.00 in chips to start when a player losses all of his/her money they sell a piece of clothing for mor chips each piece is worth $5.00. when a player is out of clothes then they trade favors for more money. we do this as follows: kiss 30 seconds $1.00 oral 1 minute $5.00 intercourse 1 minute $10.00 this is a great ice breaker for new friends and newbies as the favors can be with your spouse if they have the money. we have used this many times with great results lots of conversation with little pressure. its worked so well that we don't go any where without chips and cards. as a twist you can make up cards with directions on them ie. winner and losser cards that after each hand the winner and loser pick each card has a direction on it, such as :winner get 30 second message from player of your choice. losser remove one piece of clothing. the cards can be as wild or mild as you want