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Old 03-05-2008, 02:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Unhappy Wife kisses BF but she won't kiss me...should I be concerned?

My wife and I are new to swinging. Actually we have not done full swinging yet, just her hooking-up with another man. She and I do not kiss during sex, but she and her bf do. Alot. My question is - is this something I should be concerned about? Are they being too intimate and are there any boundaries that we should set? It bothers me that we dont kiss and they do. Their arrangement is "just sex" so do they really need the intimate kissing that we don't have? Am I reading too much into this? I feel secure in our marriage, but need advice about what is happening. I enjoy our arrangement and do not want it to end, but also do not want to have to worry either.
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How do you feel about it and what do you think is the right course of action for you?

Your short statement here is already indicating how you feel. Now you need to do something about it.

I suggest communication.

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Why do you two not kiss when having sex?
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She says that she does not like to kiss.
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She says that she does not like to kiss.
But, she kisses him a lot?

So, apparently that is not true.
It may be true that she doesn't like to kiss you. If that's the case, you need to find out why. It could be technique, breath issues, or something else. Either way, figure out what it is.
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That is what has me screwed up. She tells me that she doesn't like to kiss, but then she kisses him alot. Then she tells him to remember that she doesnt like to kiss. Kinda like if he ask dont tell him we do
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Seems like there are a couple of things going on here surrounding the kissing thing. You haven't said why you and her don't kiss when you make love. Is it you want to, but she doesn't? You need to talk about it fully with her. The other issue is knowing she does kiss her play partner. It sounds like this is bringing up some feelings - very normal for new swingers. Again, you need to talk about it fully with your wife. Seeing the love of your life turned on and going hot and heavy with someone else takes a little getting used to. If something makes you uncomfortable, you need to talk to her. A lot of new-to-swinging couples create "rules" to help each other feel more comfortable and avoid jealousy. Rules tend to adjust over time, after experience allows them both to become more comfortable. Main thing is to talk a lot.
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Uhm, the first thing I'd be asking her is WHY she doesn't like to kiss you. She's your wife, for heaven's sake. If she's kissing anyone, it should be you. So sit down and deal with that first. THEN you can deal with why she'll kiss her BF and set up some rules/guidelines for future encounters that you're BOTH comfortable with.

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Maybe kissing the bf is just part of what is new and different, and that's it?

However, if it bothers you, then it will be an issue. So you should tell her how you feel.
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If it bothers you, you need to discuss it with her. You said she says she doesn't like to kiss but she does it with him anyway while reminding him she doesn't like to kiss. Does she tell you about kissing him or does he tell you?

Either she does like to kiss but just doesn't enjoy kissing YOU. Or, since he is new, she feels like she has to kiss because it's "expected".

My guess is that if she really didn't like to kiss AT ALL she wouldn't be kissing him. Whatever the case you need to talk to her about this.

It's one thing, IMO, if you do something with a playmate that you don't do with your partner because your partner does'nt enjoy it, but it's another thing if your partner enjoys is and you won't do it with him/her but you will do it with someone else. Something just doesn't sound right.
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This post caught my eye because my husband and I have different kissing preferences, and it's something we've only recently discussed in detail because of the lifestyle. My husband has a more open mouthed-kissing style, while I prefer a tighter-lipped style. It may seem silly, but I don't like the outside of my lips getting really wet. It feels sloppy to me. As a result of this, without even being conscious of the reason, I kissed less often while having sex with my husband. When we entered the lifestyle, he had several experiences with partners who kissed like crazy When we discussed it (notice the importance of communication), we both discovered that he wanted more kisses, and I wanted a different style, so we compromised. He tightens up the lips, and now I kiss like crazy

So take heart, it could be something really simple. But you still need to talk about it
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I could not imagine not kissing my wife during sex or at just anytime the mood struck me. I also do not think I would enjoy being with any other woman and not being able to kiss. To me it would be like trying to play tennis, but your not aloud to use your hands..it just doesn't work.
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Then she tells him to remember that she doesnt like to kiss. Kinda like if he ask dont tell him we do
How did you find out this information ?
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I Love to kiss. It doesn't matter if it is my SO or a playmate. So I am having a hard time with this one.
It seems, if I understand your post, that she has said to him that she doesn't like to kiss. If that is the case and he is kissing her, it is more an issue with this guy not respecting her bounderies and your wife not having the innerstrength to remind him of her rules. In which case and serious sit down with the playmate is required.
BUT, having said that, Some people play different with friends then they do with their SO. Take me for example. My Dog is a gentleman to a fault. I only say that because I don't want him to be a gentleman in bed. We have a friend who can "take the reins" and skip the gentleman part. I LIKE THAT!!
Different partner, different feelings.
But, I agree with the others, if this bothers you, you really do need to put it out there firmly so your wife and friend understands in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS how you feel about this. I know your going to tell me that you have. Apparently you havent or this would not be an issue. You have to be heard or this will become a major problem in your marriage.
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Their arrangement is "just sex" so do they really need the intimate kissing that we don't have? Am I reading too much into this? I feel secure in our marriage, but need advice about what is happening. I enjoy our arrangement and do not want it to end, but also do not want to have to worry either.
I sense that you're concern has more to do with intimacy than the act itself; you are worried that her interest in and closeness with her playmate may be too intense and personal since she has done something with him that she doesn't do with you.

You said that your wife doesn't like to kiss; is that never, at any time? Do you kiss when not having sex?

Mr LM and I do most of our kissing when not having sex, whether it is passionate and long or sweet little pecks, we do it every day. But during intercourse and other types of sex, we rarely get a kiss in except before - as a warm up - or afterwards when we are cuddling.

It isn't unusual to do something with a play partner that you enjoy, but don't do/enjoy with your spouse. So I think that is important to realize. In knowing this, you and your wife then need to decide if it's okay with both of you to enjoy different things with playmates that aren't a part of your sex together.

For all the reasons people have mentioned, your wife may not enjoy kissing you. She may have felt this way for so long that she thinks she doesn't/wouldn't enjoy kissing anyone because it's become a habit not to enjoy kissing. She's probably as confused as you are about this whole kissing thing.

Something else that I want to mention is men's facial hair. I have always preferred kissing a man without facial hair. Mr LM grew a short beard last year and even though I liked how he looked, I didn't kiss him as much because I didn't like his course facial hair. He's since gotten rid of the beard and I'm kissing him up all the time.

I'd suggest having an open conversation with your wife, keep it on the light side and discuss all the things people have mentioned here. You both can then figure out what's up with this kissing thing. You'll probably find out that it's not as big a deal as it seems. You may even discover that kissing can become enjoyable with each other, once you figure out why it hasn't been.

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