Is girl on girl sex actually a full swap?

[Chicup]

Originally Posted by JustAskJulie

So what's your opinion? If the only cross-couple sex taking place is girl/girl, is that a full swap or a soft swap?

Thats not even soft swap in my book.

Its fun to watch, but I'd rather be doing.

[Pepper & Drew]

Imagine if a couple told you they were full swap, but when you got to the room they said that they considered girl-girl swap as full swap.

Yeeeeaaaaah, I don't think it would fly. Girl-girl is not full swap.

Pepper

[good times]

Originally Posted by Pepper & Drew

Imagine if a couple told you they were full swap, but when you got to the room they said that they considered girl-girl swap as full swap.

This brought back a memory of the time a couple said they wanted to swap, but when we got to the play room they explained that full swap to them was me having sex with his wife and he and my wife watching. We left about 14 seconds after finding this out.

[JustAskJulie]

I wish I had linked the thread I was reading and now I can't find it (of course). I completely agree with the idea that f/f only is definately not full swap, however in that thread several people said it was (which I thought was really odd... but then there have been many odd things said around here over the years). It's very interesting to see the difference in responses from the folks now vs 5 or 6 years ago.

[des1re06]

Nope, not full swap to us.

It's a damn good warm up though.

Mrs. D

[socolais]

On one hand, labels are very useful communication tools. Lawyers and scientist use a very exact language, used car salesmen use a very "relaxed" language - each derrive a benefit from that choice.

Normal folks (swingers included) fall somewhere inbetween the extreemes. We need a reasonable precision in our language for efficient communication but we don't want too many terms. Each subculture establishes its own jargon of significant terms and tunes the meaning of those terms to its needs, acting as a collective.

Jargon development, is a bottom-up process (get your mind out of the gutter ) New words are invented or definitions adjusted in conversations as the need arrises and get accepted by the group if the change is percieved as positive. Jargon confusion is related to the speed those language adjustments are propogated through the group and become accepted. Documents used by the group (including online forum posts) loose value by the language adjustments unless revised.

This forum highlights the state of jargon confusion in the swinger's domain and serves to reduce it. The many threads about what certain terms means to us individually (like this one) propogate the consensus of the group and generally reduce confusion.

The fundamental power of the internet is the globalization of our thoughts. I see a trend toward higher precision in "swingerese" and suspect that's also true among other sexual subculture groups. Our activity variations and levels of comfort outnumber the terms in common use.

On the other hand, swinging is all about intercourse [is that a cool wordplay or what?]. I think most of us are unlikely to commit to an encounter based on anatomical compatability and a few buzzwords. There's a bit of a hierarchy in the decision process about you and me getting together for some play time. I guess the first hurdle is mutual physical attraction. Rules and boundaries are important to know, but I think the most significant thing is "what are we in the mood for tonight", what are our preferences. As we flirt and communicate, I might suggest an activity that I think sounds like fun or you might suggest something I would be interested in doing with you. We'll describe our preferences as they relate to the activity as we touch and get to know each other better. We both know, either one of us can terminate the encounter with a single word or redirect the activity as we mutually prefer. The exact meaning of a few buzzwords is trivial when we concentrate on each other's smiles....

[lustylearning]

Originally Posted by socolais

The exact meaning of a few buzzwords is trivial when we concentrate on each other's smiles....

Nicely said, Socolais.