Interracial Sex, taboo or natural.

[crazycatz]

Originally Posted by VegasLee

Crazycatz,

You may be surprised that there are many clubs in the U.S. that will not allow you in if you are not pretty enough, rich enough, skinny enough or not part of a couple. Just because it is the U.S. does not mean that all get to have everything. People that own the clubs set the rules for who and who can not come into their clubs.

Does not mean that we all agree with it or disagree with it but bottom line is a private club owner makes his own rules, his club, his money, his party. If we don't agree we just don't go to that club.

NumbskullsX2:

Your name says it all. Truth in advertising.

thanks be to jesus i don't live in the US so. that's mad that someone could condone that AND get away with it. the mind boggles.

[Tybee Swing]

Originally Posted by SCcpl40

What's odd, in different parts of this country being with certain ethnic groups seems to be taboo.

SCcpl40, I just read your profile. (Great profile, by the way!) I see that you're members of Carolina Friends and Southern Socials. We've been to CF in Charlotte a couple of times, including one of their BIG annual events. That was a mixed event. We've been to the Charleston location of Southern Socials (though it's closed now in Charleston). That was a smaller club than The Estate, but it was mixed, too.

We're in the same region and have been to some of the same organizations...have you found them to be segregated in any way? We just didn't get that vibe when we were up there.

What have your experiences been like with this issue?

[Cerberus]

you know what guys Im damn glad to know other have like minds. I love everybody and genuinely think well of all.

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by crazycatz

thanks be to jesus i don't live in the US so. that's mad that someone could condone that AND get away with it. the mind boggles.

Because, of course, Europe doesn't have problems with discrimination or racism...



Spoomonkey

[varangian]

Spoomonkey, where there are different races there will be racism. Sorry pal, but this is a sad fact. There is racism in Africa. There is racism in Europe - and worse, there are bitter tensions between Muslims and Christians too. To make my own stance clear: I strongly prefer Scandinavian women, I love their blonde hair, blue eyes, their dignity and proud stature - but I have known Jewish women and black women as well and I would surely love to swing with black people. V

[crazycatz]

Originally Posted by Spoomonkey

Because, of course, Europe doesn't have problems with discrimination or racism...



Spoomonkey

never said there wasn't! in fact it's very much alive here but you certainly won't find clubs and parties discriminating on the basis of race.

[NumbskullsX2]

Originally Posted by Greg & Sheryl

We're pretty confident she wasn't sending them pointless, vicious emails, either.

Some people reading the above statement may get the idea that I've sent you such emails.

I want the record to be VERY clear on one thing- I have NEVER corresponded with you in ANY way, including email, other than what has been posted publicly on this forum.

[SCcpl40]

Originally Posted by Tybee Swing

We're in the same region and have been to some of the same organizations...have you found them to be segregated in any way? We just didn't get that vibe when we were up there.

What have your experiences been like with this issue?

Some of our best interracial meetings have been through CF and SS, never a problem, what our issue is, couples that read our profile have issues with our no racial exclusions and exclude us on that reason alone.

Hate we haven't had the pleasure of meeting you guys there or any where else.

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by varangian

Spoomonkey, where there are different races there will be racism. Sorry pal, but this is a sad fact.

Thanks "pal"...

I'll take that under advisement. I sure wish my comment above had simply been sarcasm, but alas...

Spoomonkey

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by crazycatz

never said there wasn't! in fact it's very much alive here but you certainly won't find clubs and parties discriminating on the basis of race.

Nor will you find one in Columbus, Ohio. I've never been to one personally - and if someone hadn't said they existed, I would assume that they did not. My point is, racism is not an "American" problem and I would be willing to bet that there are plenty of clubs around the world who discriminate for one reason or the other...

Spoomonkey

[Tybee Swing]

Originally Posted by SCcpl40

Some of our best interracial meetings have been through CF and SS

Oh, good! I would have hated to think that these organizations had those issues...we were so impressed with them!

Originally Posted by SCcpl40

what our issue is, couples that read our profile have issues with our no racial exclusions and exclude us on that reason alone.

They're probably excluding us too, because we have certs on our profile that would let them know that we don't exclude based on race. However, if they're excluding us for who we don't exclude, good riddance! We want to avoid those people, anyway. There are plenty of great people available that we have no worries regarding who doesn't like us. Not everyone will like us; that's just the way it is.

Originally Posted by SCcpl40

Hate we haven't had the pleasure of meeting you guys there or any where else.

We don't get out of Savannah, much. Our most recent outings were south, into Jacksonville (Underground Eden). We have to do expensive weekend trips if we go anywhere for the lifestyle, so we kind of limit that. We're definitely going to the meet-up in June in north GA, though. Are you guys going?

[daisy girl]

This is such an interesting thread. I think it underscores the difficulty that people have discussing race and defining racism.

I think eveyone has physical preferences. I like tall men...a lot . I think having a preference for a certain look is one thing...but if that spills over into not hiring, living next to, going to school with a person, then you have crossed the line into prejudice and racism.

I am not offended if someone says they are interested in being with me and really want to know what being with a black woman is like. If the intentions are genuine and not motivated by racist stereotypes, then bring it . But don't expect me to behave a certain way because I am black...

[drziggy]

Originally Posted by SCcpl40

The one thing we enjoy about the lifestyle is the sexual freedom and variety it offers. To be with other couples from different backgrounds, and ages gives us a broad spectrum of the human race. We have been lucky enough to meet and become friends with just about every ethnic group and the rewards of knowing them intimately have given us a better understanding of ourselves.


What's odd, in different parts of this country being with certain ethnic groups seems to be taboo. What's your take?

Racism can be equated to "racing or ethnic cleansing", an attempt by individuals, or groups, to see themselves as superior to others. Although racism exists in every part of the world, it seems to be quite prevalent in certain areas of the U.S.
Swingers share the same attitudes and stereotypes with any other social group, hence it isn't surprising that ethnic discrimination is practice by some.
Discrimination comes out of fear and it is always predicated on an attempt to secure resources and territory. Moreover, fear is often born of ignorance or superstition, or misplaced low self-esteem.
I agree with your comment that sharing and experiencing other ethnic or racial groups can only add to a person's positive experiences and understanding of the world around us. Remember that sex is sex regardless of whom you having it with, each person brings with him/her a special and unique approach to the experience.
As the French say "Vive la difference".
Cheers!
DrZiggy

[BiloxiCouple]

Originally Posted by crazycatz

never said there wasn't! in fact it's very much alive here but you certainly won't find clubs and parties discriminating on the basis of race.

Religion maybe....?

If it isn't one problem we can find another one.

[Chicup]

Originally Posted by drziggy

Racism can be equated to "racing or ethnic cleansing", an attempt by individuals, or groups, to see themselves as superior to others. Although racism exists in every part of the world, it seems to be quite prevalent in certain areas of the U.S.

I think the US, even the certain parts of the US is far less racist than the world as a whole. We go so far out of our way at times to avoid thinking/talking in terms of race it can get ridiculous. My local news will give a suspect description in a crime, and often wont' even mention the race.

Discrimination comes out of fear and it is always predicated on an attempt to secure resources and territory. Moreover, fear is often born of ignorance or superstition, or misplaced low self-esteem.

As an evolutionary biologist I disagree. I think racism is just another one of our natural way we create out groups which 'protect' our local DNA. Undoubtedly there are psychological reasons for some, but its a basic genetic protectionism at work I think. This doesn't make it 'right' it just makes it natural, same as murder and war.