Interracial Sex, taboo or natural.

[Cerberus]

More risk for HIV in some races. So that could a limiting factor for play

[NumbskullsX2]

Originally Posted by Greg & Sheryl

We posted our reasons because we felt it was an interesting and relevant point for discussion in this forum. The entire point of the Swingers Board is for all of us to delve into issues we face in this lifestyle.

THat was my point Greg that they're issues for YOU not for US. WE all manage to get along without insulting other races or bringing down an entire race just because they "fail to satisfy" your wife.

Originally Posted by Greg & Sheryl

our best guess is that you think Greg is using Sheryl to justify his racism.

Yes, when you continually repeat it as you have here, I do think your using her. When a politician quotes a founding father, he does it to justify HIS patriotism, not the founding fathers. When your Pastor quotes the Bible, he does it to justify HIS religious beliefs, not Jesuses. When a skinhead quotes Hitler, he does it to justify HIS racism, not Hitlers. And when YOU continualy quote your wife???

By the way, why is it always YOU telling us what SHE thinks? Why don't you tell us what YOU think, and let her do the same? She can type, right?

Originally Posted by Greg & Sheryl

By limiting our play to black and interracial couples, not only does this greatly reduce our pool of potential playmates, but Greg misses out on playing with some genuinely outstanding ladies just because their husbands aren't the right color.

Yea, and by bein' a DICK you limit them even more. Oops, did I say that? I meant "somebody I know" said it. I was just repeating what THEY said. I don't believe it, of course.

Originally Posted by Greg & Sheryl

Unfortunately, Sheryl doesn't see it that way. Her decision was based on years of personal experience in the lifestyle, and she's not budging from it. If you have any doubts about this, you can ask VegasLee, because we have had this conversation with him.

I don't need to talk to Vegaslee, he's a guy with a website who runs promotions for a club out in la-la land. Basically nothin' to me or me to him. You talk about her "years of experience" like it's a fact. Well, we have "years of experience" too, and we've never had a problem with white men. Maybe if your wife tried losing a few pounds or fixing her hair, the guys would have tried harder to please her.

(Just for the record, I don't feel that way, my wife told me to say that. Also, I DO NOT THINK YOU'RE A DICK. They, "these people I know", do)

[bill&sabrina]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

More risk for HIV in some races. So that could a limiting factor for play

I was at the CDC website looking at statistics yesterday. Maybe I missed them, but I didn't see statistics for multiple partners.

[Greg & Sheryl]

Originally Posted by NumbskullsX2

I don't think "accusations of racism pop up whenever racial issues are discussed in any context" I think they pop up when YOU mention them, and it's because of the way you mention them.

This is just flat out untrue. If you look through our posting history, you'll see that we have touched upon racial issues on a number of occasions over the years, and most of the time the conversation has been civil. In fact, you'll see in our aforementioned original thread that JnCC was the only person who genuinely took issue with us, while everyone else defended Sheryl's choice even if they didn't necessarily agree with it. The comment we made about accusations of racism was a facetious comment on our society and how talking about race often arouses passion.

Then you come along and say stuff like "This is a topic that greatly affects us because Sheryl made a decision to play exclusively with black men."

We felt this was a tactfully-worded statement of fact which was relevant to the topic brought up by the original poster. If you were offended by the way we said it, can you suggest a less-offensive way this could have been stated?

So why does to matter so much to YOU, and how can WE possibly fix YOUR problem with white people?

Greg doesn't have a problem with white people. If he did, he wouldn't have married one. Sheryl doesn't have a problem with white people, she just doesn't want to have sex with white men anymore.

One thing I tell new people in this lifestyle is that if they want to enjoy it and not have problems in clubs or socials, they need to check their attitudes at the door.

You've never seen us conduct ourselves at a party or social, so you do not have enough evidence to judge our behavior at those events. We actually do check our attitudes at the door, and we have plenty of fun socializing with people of all races even though we may not play with them.

But YOU man, YOU wear it right there on your sleeve! No, right on your chest, for everybody to see. (I've seen your website dude!) For the benefit of those who haven't seen it, maybe you ought to make little name tags that say, "Hello, I'm Sheryl, and I hate ALL white men because they can't keep it up" and "Hello, I'm Greg, Sheryls husband, and I also have a bone to pick with white men (but I'm not telling you what it is)."

There is nothing on our website that even implies any hatred of the sort. If you would be so kind as to point out what part of our website actually does, we would be more than willing to change it. While the website promotes the joy of sex with black men, it is not intended to come across an anti-white.

It wouldn;t make you any friends, but it wold be a good way of stirring up shit, which is obviously what you intended to do.

Our intention was to add to the conversation, not stir up any trouble. If we had wanted to do that, we would have used racial slurs or advocated the biological inferiority of certain races, but we did neither. Furthermore, you seem to be the only one genuinely angered by our statements, so if our intent was to stir up trouble among the rank and file of the Swingers Board, we failed miserably short of that goal.

Whatever problem YOUR having with "racism" in this lifestyle, I have a feeling your having every where else you go.

We don't, on either count.

[Greg & Sheryl]

Originally Posted by NumbskullsX2

THat was my point Greg that they're issues for YOU not for US.

This is not just an issue for us. It is an issue for anyone on Swingers Board who has any opinion about the role race plays in the swinging lifestyle. If you feel it shouldn't be an issue, why are you not attacking the original poster of this thread?

WE all manage to get along without insulting other races or bringing down an entire race just because they "fail to satisfy" your wife.

That statement speaks purely to Sheryl's experience and does not bring down an entire race. If our intention was to put down all white men, we would have said "White men can never get it up." In defending Sheryl, Pepper & Drew put it best when they said, "Just because that's her reason doesn't mean it's true overall...it's just true in HER world. I think that's not the case in most people's worlds, so I don't think there's a need to censor the statements."

Yes, when you continually repeat it as you have here, I do think your using her. Why is it always YOU telling us what SHE thinks? Why don't you tell us what YOU think, and let her do the same? She can type, right?

Because we try to speak to our experience in the lifestyle, we try to use the first-person "we" whenever possible, but when we speak to our individual experiences, we use the third person (Greg or Sheryl) when referring to one another. How do you know it's not Sheryl composing this post?

You talk about her "years of experience" like it's a fact.

It is a fact. You'll see underneath our icon that we joined the Swingers Board in November 2001, and Sheryl started swinging with her previous husband (who was white, by the way) back in the early 90's.

Well, we have "years of experience" too, and we've never had a problem with white men. Maybe if your wife tried losing a few pounds or fixing her hair, the guys would have tried harder to please her.

If the white men in Sheryl's past had that much of a problem with the way she looked, then they had no business trying to play with her in the first place. We don't mind debating this issue with you, but it would be nice if you could leave the personal insults out of it.

[Greg & Sheryl]

Originally Posted by bill&sabrina

I was at the CDC website looking at statistics yesterday. Maybe I missed them, but I didn't see statistics for multiple partners.

Cerberus was referring to the higher rate of HIV infection among African-Americans. Some couples use that statistic to justify why they won't play with black or interracial couples. One couple we knew required condoms when playing with black men even though they were okay going bareback with other races.

[bill&sabrina]

Originally Posted by Greg & Sheryl

Cerberus was referring to the higher rate of HIV infection among African-Americans. Some couples use that statistic to justify why they won't play with black or interracial couples. One couple we knew required condoms when playing with black men even though they were okay going bareback with other races.

I knew what Cerebrus meant. Like it appears you are saying, it's a silly point. Which was my point.
Bill

[good times]

NumbskullsX2,

I think you are confusing a discussion on this forum with what one would do at a club, which are two entirely different things.

For the discussions here on the forum, what would be the point if people weren't willing to be honest in how the feel or what their preferences are?

While I may say something on the forums like, "I will not play with green women", I would never say that to someone at a club. Instead I would just decline to play with someone who is green because she doesn't meet my preferences, without specifically saying why. As far as I am concerned, ones preferences are just that, preferences. I may never play with green women, but I would only state that here as a contribution to the discussion. I don't think it makes me racist that green women don't turn me on, they just don't.

For the record, I am a white guy, and I didn't find any of Greg & Sheryl's posts offensive either.

[SCcpl40]

Originally Posted by LikeMinds321

Taboo?

Where have you lived that you found this to be so?

Around these parts there is no "taboo" talk goin' round. The forums on ad sites we belong to never talk about any race being a no-no. In fact, quite the opposite. Swingers openly discuss their preferences in playmates, whether it be the details of what they look like, how they like to play, what their kinks are, whether they are bikers, bowlers, or sports fans, whether they like to travel, barbeque and make "friends first" before they get down to sex, and sometimes they say they are really turned on by certain ethnic groups. No one objects to hearing any of this.

This thread has redirected itself to the same old issue of racism, and I think it's turning away from your original question...unless the purpose of your OP was to get a discussion on racism going?

LM

We live in the south and we're not afraid to state our LOCATION.

[TNT]

NumbskullsX2,

I'm not sure what your problem is with Greg and frankly, I don't care. He (Greg) has remained very polite in this thread, whereas you have not...evident by the quote below...and that I do care about.

PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE NOT TOLERATED ON THIS BOARD.

Everyone has the right to state their opinion but keep personal attacks to yourself or through PM's.

Originally Posted by NumbskullsX2

Maybe if your wife tried losing a few pounds or fixing her hair, the guys would have tried harder to please her.

(Just for the record, I don't feel that way, my wife told me to say that. Also, I DO NOT THINK YOU'RE A DICK. They, "these people I know", do)

The original question in this thread was....

Originally Posted by SCcpl40

The one thing we enjoy about the lifestyle is the sexual freedom and variety it offers. To be with other couples from different backgrounds, and ages gives us a broad spectrum of the human race. We have been lucky enough to meet and become friends with just about every ethnic group and the rewards of knowing them intimately have given us a better understanding of ourselves.


What's odd, in different parts of this country being with certain ethnic groups seems to be taboo. What's your take?

I'm sure for some, being with someone of a different ethnic group is a turn on due to a "taboo" factor. For others, people are people and skin color means nothing.


Teresa

[Ellyanne77]

Julie,
Could you please move this thread to "Threads that make you feel uncomfortable to read"
Thank you that is all.

[longtermcouple]

My wife enjoyed her first experience with a black man a couple years ago at a swing party. I watched her give him oral and her receiving oral from him.

They then had wild sex. I never seen her legs so high in the air in my life nor have I ever her moan louder. She cum bigtime in less than 2 minutes after penetration. I never seen her happier even though she had been with alot of other (white) guys who she never did cum with.

I love the idea of my wife with another (black) man because of her BEST sex yet/

[havefuninsun]

I had a feeling this thread was going to go to hell in a hand basket.

Greg, thanks for keeping your cool and being the polite person I've gotten to "know" through this forum. I think you guys rock.

READ CAREFULLY: Everyone has a right to their preference. It's that simple. And that's all this was supposed to be about. It's not uncommon for people to want to experience something they've never had before, and it feel sorta "taboo"-ish ... sorta sexy and maybe even a little naughty. Maybe you grow up in a household that thinks "your kind should stick together" so when you get to grow up and make your own decisions and KNOW that skin color doesn't mean anything more than SKIN COLOR, it's a turn-on to seek out something different.

Attraction is a fickle thing. Some people just don't think lilly bright white skin people are attractive. Some people just don't think very dark skin is attractive. Certain looks just don't do it for some. And some looks just DO.

This board does not lend itself to folks who are racist. Look at the contributors. Look at the posters. So if black men just do it for Sheryl, and that's all she's interested in, YOU GO GIRL. If some 40-something year old women only want to swing with 25 year old guys and they can attract those hot young hunks, YOU GO GIRL(S). There's no difference. Why is that hard to swallow? (is that a pun?!?)

Can we please drop this now?

[NumbskullsX2]

Ok, I'm going to delete most of this post. If anybody is planning a long repsonse to it, I'm sorry. I agree that this thread is going to hell in a handbasket. I would be happy to debate the subject of interracial sex, but like everybody BUT Greg, I just don't give a rat's ass about it. Besides which, I can't discuss a subject with somebody who throws out flames then hides behind his wife saying "she said it, not me"

(I could, but it would get ugly very fast, as you have seen)

Greg, this "interracial sex" thing is obviously a very big part of your reason for being in the lifestyle. So because of that, and because you like to incite people, I'm going to leave some of your comments about the subject here. That way, anybody who stumbles upon them in the future can decide for themselves if you're racist or not.

"Sheryl finally decided to stop swinging with white men because they have consistently underperformed in bed -On the other hand, black men would almost always leave her satisfied"

"You have no idea how many white couples contact us because they have this fetish for the BBC"

"we personally know one black man how has made a virtual career out of being the big black cock for horny white wives"

and saving the best for last,

"With white men, the problem usually falls into one of two categories. Either they cum too early (after only four or five strokes during intercourse) or they can't get an erection at all (and then make some lame statement like, "This has never happened to me before!"). This has happened at least 60% of the time during swinging encounters with white men. Black men, on the other hand, rarely seem to have these problems."

If you wanted to take a swipe at white guys, you succeeded. If you wanted to stir up some shit that would provoke me into saying something bad about black people, you failed. I still believe in the Hells Angels creed, "Treat me well, I'll treat you better. Treat me badly, I'll treat you worse"

The topic of this thread was originally "Interracial Sex: Taboo or Natural?" and I answered it (very politely and without making personal comments) in post #25.

[VegasLee]

and I am the one living in La-La-Land?