Swinger Writes in defense of Ron Jeremy

[intuition897]

I am such an ass. Why oh WHY can't I resist an argument??? What the fuck do I actually hope to gain by bashing my head against the vanilla brick wall? But now I've started it and I'm hoping I can refrain from commenting any further. The more I talk, the worse it gets.

Special thanks goes to Graygo for putting the bait out there for me.

Anyhoo, if anyone's interested, here's the thread in the National Post. There's a link to the article in it.

[Darkblue]

I agree why bother,the People are set in their ways and wont accept ever what we do, its the same here they but the difference is they look the other way and wisper behind your back,we are not ashamed at what we do and its our business not thiers, @intuition897 i just wouldnt wother anymore your right your knocking your head against a brick wall because they dontwant to listen and they definatly do not want to understand what the lifestyle is about and why we enjoy oursleves so lets just leave them to enjoy their sad little affairs let them cheat on each other and let them wank themselves in public toilets because thats the most satisfaction the will ever get from Sex but each to their own i guess..

Take Care intuition897 and thanks for bringing this to our attention but i would give up on the dimwits and let them live their boring unfullfilled lives..


Steve

[spectraschain]

I am such an ass.

Hardly. Pushing the boundries of coventional wisdom is how I define character.

What the fuck do I actually hope to gain by bashing my head against the vanilla brick wall?

Hope to gain? I don't believe you hope to gain anything. No more than you would hope to gain by defending, say, a family member.

The more I talk, the worse it gets.

No ma'am, the more you talk the more passion you stir in others, be it in accordence or not. Heck, you've even been known to draw friendly fire from some. (not that i would know anything about that )

[confunktion]

Nice work, sweetie... The Mrs. is a big believer in the saying, "Well-behaved women rarely make history". I fully agree. If we were all sheep, following some lame-ass shepherd around, saying and doing only what they wanted, this would be a hellish world. Keep being yourself and don't let anyone convince you otherwise. Kick some ass, but don't take names; no one wants to remember them, anyway.

Mr. Funk
I love women who don't behave.

[intuition897]

Well thanks for the words of encouragement, guys. Responding to this stuff is like a compulsion with me, and I need to stop. Mr. intuition rolls his eyes at me. "Why don't you just let them think what they want?", he says. I guess maybe it's just the idea that their soapboxing mis-educates everyone else, and even if they themselves don't do anything to impede us, the others that they fire up with their myths just might. I was somewhat reluctant to post anything in a column like the National Post because some self-righteous goody-two-shoes/computer geek might take it upon him/herself to somehow figure out who I am and "do the right thing" by making my identity public. There, that'll show her. If what she does is so right and good, why is she hiding it? No no no, come on out where eeeeeverybody can see you for what you REALLY are!

If it were that simple, we would. Trouble is, thanks to jackasses like these, no one is able to see us for what we really are. They want to believe what they want to believe. I guess I'm lamenting their ignorance.

[iapr]

You are right of course in that you are not going to singlehandedly change the views and the mores of the general society. But look at it this way for centuries people were burned at the stake for thinking and acting in ways counter to the church or the social and political views at the time and it was through incrimental changes over time brought on by regular people standing and questioning the conventional wisdom that brought on those changes.

In our life time homosexuality was thought of as a mental illness and also as a criminal offense and even today it is not fully accepted by everyone but it is rarely illegal and it is no longer thought of as form of disease. That change in attitude was brought about by normal rational people saying, "what is really so wrong with it? It works for me and I am a normal healthy functioning member of society and what I do in my bedroom does not hurt anyone else." Eventually if it gets said enough people start to notice and realize that they are right and begin to accept the idea that maybe it is ok to be a little different.

My personal thoughts are that what people do in the privacy of their own bedroom with sane consenting adults is a private matter between the involved parties and is noone elses business. That includes society has no business telling me I am wrong and to change my ways but it also includes I have no business telling society that it should come over to my way of thinking. I will say that I too hate to see falsehoods being told as facts to an unenlightened populace and I too have to fight down the urge to set the record straight whether it is in some form of media or just a vanilla conversation about 70s style key parties around the water cooler at the office. In the end either way I bite my tongue till it bleeds so that I can maintain my lifestyle choice in privacy and in the comfort of my own bedroom with whom I choose as that is the way I like.

I will say this to you though Intuition, even though I will never be a spokeperson for the lifestyle there are very few if any that I think would be a better spokesperson or role model than you. I like what you have to say and you say it well. You may not change societies perception of swinging but somewhere out there some individuals will see that somebody who is intelligent and articulate and well adjusted has found this lifestyle to be an acceptable lifestyle choice and if that person can accept it and thrive in it then maybe it isn't so evil and harmfull afterall. Society is just a collection of individuals so if people becoming accepting one at a time eventually the stigma is reduced.

[The Fuse]

Intuition,

I just posted a response in that thread. Thanks for carrying so much of the load. I feel obligated to help chip away at the wall. Nothing will ever change unless people speak up.

[WildMiCouple]

Atta girl Intuition

Originally Posted by confunktion

Nice work, sweetie... The Mrs. is a big believer in the saying, "Well-behaved women rarely make history".

Tam's favorite hat says this She usually wears it the morning after going to a club

Brett

[Tia Vampire]

I agree with all of the above. like many people in our society before joining the life-style myself, i thought the the life-style was full of perverts, junkies, and people with low self-esteem. to my surprise it was quite the opposite. when you are on the outside looking in, many people should keep their mouths shut until they educate themselves on the facts. i really like hearing the advice that many on here give and because of them the life-style may one day have a better reputation than it does now.

[flkeyscouple]

Intuition & The Fuse -

I know it's like banging you head on the 'vanilla wall', but even if ONE person reads and starts to THINK... it's worth it.

I wanted to yell at one of the responders who said your sample was too small. He says he knows plenty of people that are happy and have a healthy sex life - I wanted to yell - YA, AND HOW MANY OF THEM ARE SWINGERS BUT DON'T DARE TELL YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE SO CLOSED MINDED???

Again.. THANKS to both of you for taking the time to respond!

Mrs. FLKeys

[cubnamy1995]

Hey sweetie! I read that damn thread and I am impressed you kept your wits about you as much as you did. I would have posted three paragraphs of straight profanity.

It helps to remember that self-righteousness is a terminal condition. Some people are open to the point-of-view of others. Some are simply not.

What helps me to feel better is to remember that when these high & mighty vanillas look back on their life at the end of it, they will not have the feeling they lived it to the fullest quite like we would.

[intuition897]

You people are awesome! Thanks to all of you for your moral support. I'm going to see the other responses, but I'm really going to try to avoid posting anymore.

[intuition897]

Great response Fuse! Very well spoken!

[lovinher]

Shooting my mouth off...again

Well, SOMEBODY has to do it!

[prettylady]

Why are kids always brought into this mix. When I was in a vanilla relationship with my husband my kids had no knowledge of my sex life.(or lack there of) So why do they think as swingers our sex life is going to influence the kids? How is what we are doing corupting the communitte. We are accepting of homosexuals as good parents, their sex lives up until recently was deemed wrong and yet, wow look at what great parents they can make. Our sex lives are not doing any harm to the kids. I see kids come from homes that have an unhealthy enviroment. Yet there is no outward attack on these people. Kids going to school without breakfast, or a good lunch, or even an extra hug and kiss. Yet we give a collective ahhhh, they are the unfortunate of society, we need to understand their situation. BS, I am a single mom, in school full time, and raising my little ones on a student loan. My kids are well fed, kissed and hugged to death, I help them with homework, teach them karate, read to them before bed, I have snacks and treats, both healthy and yummy.
All of this good I do for my kids, and I am looked down upon because of the time I take for myself as an adult.
Piss on you all out there who are clueless.
Rant completed
Your friend,
Prettylady