If it were legal - would you sell your sex?

[ohhandahh]

I just watched the Keith Ablow show, kind of like Dr. Phil but no solving anyones problems, just discussions, questions, more of a talk show. It was about the Bunny Ranch in Nevada where prostitution is legal. A tour showed how this place works. Each male is somewhat screened before selection of a girl. They go into a living room with private nooks so the girl can talk with the gentleman and get to know a little about him. Each girl is a private contractor and can turn down the gentleman if she doesn't want to do him. Each girl has her own rules about what she will and will not do, and sets her own price for what the guy wants.
One girl in her late 30's early 40's had worked at the Ranch 7 months, entertained 75 guys in that time and made over $100,000. That averages over $1,300 per guy, so they are all professionals, not riff raff. 75 guys in 7 months is about 3 guys per week @$1300 each is about $4000 a week x 52 weeks is about $208,000.00 per year. This lady is married. She had a discussion with her husband about going to work there. She said on the show she likes sex with strangers. If they were not in Nevada it may have been a discussion about swinging 3somes. All the girls were asked why they enjoyed their job and all said they loved sex, the money was great, but they liked sex. My impression was they would have worked for office wages to have the sex. They, like swingers, realize the difference between sex and love.
They, like swingers, had sex with men they just met, as wives do at an on premise sex club.
I am not trying to say swingers are like prostitutes. The thread is for fun, information and deep thinking, and maybe a fantasy. Please dont flame me if you take exception to the thread or make assumptions I have not made.
The question is, if such a place as the Bunny Club was legal near you, would a swinger wife work as a prostitute there? The word "prostitute" prompts a negative reaction. If you would be called something like a sex therapist practioner, not having the stigma as "prostitute" does, would you, as a swinger who likes sex with other men, do it for that kind of money in a nice, clean place like the Bunny Ranch was protrayed? Three guys a week for five years is over a million dollars. You would never have to work again in your entire life. Would you do it? Or would you give it away as a swinger, thinking your morals are above playing for money? The wife could be in one room, getting money for sex while her husband could be in another room and give the money back to the girl he was having sex with, a net result of zero dollars. Just like couples who swing in seperate rooms.

[LFM2]

Ya know, one of my best female friends (Mr. LFM is my bestest friend) did a speech for college on legalizing prostitution in Idaho. She talked to many of the girls at the Bunny Ranch for her information, and come to find out, many of the girls there are married, yet are just going to "work" like they would at any other job. They do their work, go home and have a family to take care of there. She named names and talked to some of the regular girls at the Ranch who've worked there for quite a while. What a lot of people might not know is that the girls at the Ranch donate a lot of their money to charities around there. They've bought a new ambulance for the EMS unit and they also chipped in and rebuilt a house for a families that was destroyed by fire. Their hearts are big as gold.

I could do that! I really could! I don't know about the label, but I'd be a girl who just loves sex!

She spoke to many of the girls and everyone loved their jobs. After hearing her speech, she convinced me that I should work at the Bunny Ranch and I should fight to make prostitution legal in Idaho.

[good times]

First I will just say, don't believe everything you see on TV.

I know several women that work at the ranches here, included the Bunny Ranch, but I have never met one that "actually" does it for the sex. Of course it is good business to say that if someone with a camera asks you. Additionally, I have never met one that could afford a mansion or drove around in a Mercedes. If they are good and work long hours they make pretty decent money but those figures sound highly inflated to me. Keep in mind that the owner of the Bunny Ranch is a good promoter and the women interviewed work for him. Even if they did make the money they claimed he gets half of it, and like any other business, their are expenses involved that trim down what actually gets taken home to a much more modest income figure than the gross income would lead one to believe. Mrs. GT and I admire these women, because as she says, "I sure couldn't do it", to be successful at it takes a very special kind of woman.

[highlander]

First off, I agree that prostitution should be legal. I'd regulate it a little differently than Nevada does though. Nevada only allows prostitutes to work ree of major diseaese to work in the brothels-but does nothing to test the customers. I'd test the customers too--and match up the clients and providers with folks that have the _same_ diseases. Frankly, the last thing I want is some guy with HIV having sex with uninfected women.

Anyhow, I had a friend that worked in Nevada for a while. She said that most of her coworkers weren't really making much money-and most of them had a pimp somewhere in the background.

Anyhow, some of the highest paid sex workers aren't having sex with strangers. Some of the ones I've heard about making substantial money were "kept women" who had more than one guy contributing to their lifestyle. This is kind of a gray area between a girlfriend that gets her rent paid and a pay-for-service prostitute(since there may be 3-5 different guys contributing to this lady's lifestyle--and they are all much more stable relationships).

[iapr]

While it is interesting to compare swinging women with professional prostitutes I am going to have to say that they are two completely different things. I think it is like comparing a professional NASCAR driver to a taxi driver. They both drive cars and make money doing it but the simalarities pretty much end there.

I think your swinger/prostitute comparison ends at enjoying sex and separating sex and love. Heck my grandmother probably enjoyed sex and I know she knew there was a difference between sex and love but she was niether a swinger or prostitute.

There probably are some hookers that are in the lifestyle that do both for the reasons you mentioned but I would be willing to bet that if you were to sit down and really talk to the married hookers you would find that most of them would consider themselves to be in a traditional monogamous marriage when they punch out from work at the end of the day.

Swingers may see a separation between sex and love but swingers also are largely interested in the open and erotic social envirnment and get a lot pleasure and excitement from both the sex as well as the social interaction.
Hookers may enjoy sex to a degree , afterall sex is pleasurable, but make no mistakes the hookers are in it for the money and for the work hours. They are going to work just as you and I.

I enjoy my job and if I am being interviewed on tv I will say I love it, but I go to work every day for the pay and benifits pure and simple. I would not do it for free just because I enjoy it and I bet the hookers view it the same way. Many have home and families for the same reason we all do and they go to work for money to pay for the home and families just like we all do.

[highlander]

There probably are some hookers that are in the lifestyle that do both
for the reasons you mentioned but I would be willing to bet that if you
were to sit down and really talk to the married hookers you would find
that most of them would consider themselves to be in a traditional
monogamous marriage when they punch out from work at the end of the day.

I've had a couple friends that were hookers that also enjoyed lifestyle parties. However, in both cases they were _barely_ fitting the term "hooker"--and were much more focused on the "Girl Friend Experience" or Courtesan level of that occupation.

I think most hookers are purely motivated by money-but for some it is an artform. My experience is that a lot of the ones for whom the work is art tend to gravitate to the lifestyle when they retire. Someone that has been working on the high end of that profession isn't likely to want to "slum"--and the simple fact is that high end prositutes don't have a real high lifetime working in that profession. Some establish stable clientles-but a lot don't. The smart ones retire with a degree of financial comfort.

However, someone that has been having sex several times per week for while-and often enjoying it doesn't just stop cold turkey. The lifestyle is someplace where a woman that likes having sex with 3-4 different men 8-10 times week has respectability-and even status.

[BiloxiCouple]

The media has too many shades of grey and too many twists on a story. Too many generaliztions and too many "what ifs".

[ohash01]

Could I be a protitute? Probably not. I am just FAR too picky. I wouldn't make any money. I have no moral issues with it, that's a personal choice. It's just not for me. Plus, I agree with one of the previous posters - I'd be anal about it...I'd need every man I chose to hook up with to present me with a clean bill of health, preferably hand written, signed by their doctor AND notarized. Haha.

Now being a "kept-woman" or "courtesan" COULD fly with me. Does it happen much in today's society? I doubt it. I'm not very needy...I don't want jewels or a Mercedes...I want my mortgage and my college loans paid. Haha. And I wouldn't have 50 men running into the brothel each night that I know nothing about and may/may not be physically attractd to...I'd have 3 or 4 men in my life that would be sweet and doting. Hmmm...or maybe I say that because I'm in love with Victorian-era romance novels. *shrugs*. I'm kind of old fashioned in that I want the people I hook up with to atleast LIKE "ME" a little...not just my body or my mind-blowing sexual abilities

[highlander]

Originally Posted by ohash01

Could I be a protitute? Probably not. I am just FAR too picky. I wouldn't make any money. I have no moral issues with it, that's a personal choice. It's just not for me. Plus, I agree with one of the previous posters - I'd be anal about it...I'd need every man I chose to hook up with to present me with a clean bill of health, preferably hand written, signed by their doctor AND notarized. Haha.

Is it you--or do you simply have a variety of more attractive choices in this society at this time? There are those that would rather die than become a prostitute-and those that would engage in prostitution if it was a choice between staying middle class via prostitution-and abject poverty.

From what I've heard, in Brazil, prostitution among middle class women is _much_ more common in the US. Brazilian society is much more harsh-you have things like bad credit ratings that stick with someone the rest of their lives.

Now being a "kept-woman" or "courtesan" COULD fly with me. Does it happen much in today's society? I doubt it.

I've known women who did this. Now, this wasn't a real "high end" kept woman. She was a "welfare mom" who had children with 5 different men-4 of whom were well-to-do businessmen(older guys with a bit of real estate-not the type that would buy a Mercedes). Those guys knew dang well it was cheaper to keep her happy than to bring governmental services into the issue-so "father unknown" went on the birth certificate-and they paid on the side. She dabbled in swinging-and as well as the clients usually had a "boy toy" or two around. This lady wasn't especially good looking-or educated-but she wasn't an idiot-and was "morally flexible".

I'm not very needy...I don't want jewels or a Mercedes...I want my mortgage and my college loans paid.

basically what she got was most of what child support would have been-plus a lot of independence, public assistance and a good relationship with the fathers of her kids. Now welfare laws have changed a bit-I'm not sure how this niche works in today's kinder, gentler america.

The other variation I've seen is the "corporate concubine". Basically women that are attached to a highly placed corporate executive-and follow that guy where ever he goe-and get placed into jobs for which they aren't qualified for on the basis of providing sexual favors(or at least the possibility of them). Basically it is hard for executives to pay themselves a high salary, but if they are in a position to hire folks, they can hire "concubines" as a perk--and hide that. From what I could see, some of these ladies were more attached to their corporate patrons than their own husbands. Now, those ladies run the risk of getting discarded--or passed around- as they age-and they are more likely to be highly emotionally attached to what is really a sociopathic corporate manager--and to be strung along financially. I've seen companies where a lot of the higher level managers were lesbians-because I think they tended to be more trustworthy in that respect than their male counterparts-and were thus able to better maintain cohesion in their corporate harems. I'd personally rather my daughter become a kept woman-or a prostitute that saves her money than a corporate concubine. However, as private wealth in the US gets more and more concentrated, we are seeing more these "games".

Also, any place I've lived where there was a lot of disposable wealth, there was lot of prostitution--and kept women and such.

[Chicup]

Prostitutes tend to have sex with low quality men who can't get it on their own in exchange for money.

Casual sex isn't that difficult if you have anything going for you. While the old 'you pay them to go away' may be true for famous/wealthy, most guys looking for hookers are neither famous nor wealthy. They are losers or just too old to get younger women.

Maybe the women love having sex with lifes losers and men as old as their fathers, but I somehow doubt thats their first choice.

Swinging women may have sex right away with someone they just met, but its her choice because she wants to have sex, and she can say no to those that she doesn't find attractive.

While I find nothing wrong with prostitution on a moral level, I find this question almost offensive. Comparing swinging to prostitution shows that someone doesn't really get it. You ask not to be flamed, you say that swingers are like prostitutes, yet we are suppose to play a mental game and pretend that they are?

What you are really asking is 'Women would you be a whore?' Some would, some wouldn't but to tie it in with swinging was not the way to go about it.

Oh and pay those girls an office wage and see how many stick around 'cause they like sex'.

[highlander]

Originally Posted by Chicup

Prostitutes tend to have sex with low quality men who can't get it on their own in exchange for money.

First off, I don't like a lot of what has been done with prostitution in the US. I don't like the prevalence of hookers that are IV drug users in some parts of the country for example. However, I have known many decent men that occaisionally used prostitutes. Men working necessary occuptations like long distance truckers that make it difficult to mainstain stable relationships tend to use the lower cost prostitutes for example(and IMHO get grossly ripped off
due to the way this is regulated in the US).

Anyhow, what is a "low quality" man? I see lots of sociopaths that get laid a lot-folks I'd NEVER want in my house--and have little interest to interact in any way except to make their lives more difficult. If you judge folks "quality" by their ability to get laid, I expect you have a VERY difficult time ahead for yourself.

Anyhow, my own experience in this subculture is as the _boyfriend_ not a client-of women who were providers. I have dated women with experience as prostitutes, women with experience as swingers, and women experienced as both. I'm not going to put any of them down.

Saying anyone with "anything going can get laid easily"? There are providers that specialize with specific groups of the disabled. I knew one guy with a masters from MIT-and other with a degree from U of Chicago that both had their first sexual experiences with prostitutes. These were both high gifted, decent guys-with the one big liability they were too dang fat.

Casual sex isn't that difficult if you have anything going for you. While the old 'you pay them to go away' may be true for famous/wealthy, most guys looking for hookers are neither famous nor wealthy. They are losers or just too old to get younger women.

Some of the subcultures in which prostitution use is very prevalent include the military, long distance truckers and specialty construction workers that travel a lot for work. I don't consider any of those guys "loosers"--except to the extent a sick society has made them so.

Swinging women may have sex right away with someone they just met, but its her choice because she wants to have sex, and she can say no to those that she doesn't find attractive.

we are blessed to live in the US -a society in which at least a minimum level of economic security is pretty universal-but we have a lot of lonely people compared to a lot of other countries. Personally, I'd rather improve income support and legalize and sanely regulate prostitution.

While I find nothing wrong with prostitution on a moral level, I find this question almost offensive. Comparing swinging to prostitution shows that someone doesn't really get it. You ask not to be flamed, you say that swingers are like prostitutes, yet we are suppose to play a mental game and pretend that they are?

It sounds to me like at a certain level you want approval from the "nice respectable people". I fully understand that swinging and prostitution are VERY different. On the other hand, there is _some_ overlap between the communities-and both communities have issues with stigma in some more conventional circles. I see this as a chance to give the same kind of respect to another community you might like for your own.

What you are really asking is 'Women would you be a whore?' Some would, some wouldn't but to tie it in with swinging was not the way to go about it.

Oh and pay those girls an office wage and see how many stick around 'cause they like sex'.

Try to run an economy without some of those "low quality" guys around-and see how fast the US degenerates into a situation like Brazil with a lot of women _happy_ to engage in prostitution to maintain their lifestyle.

[ohhandahh]

Dear Mr Chicup. I did not imply swingers are prostitutes, only made reference to the sexual openness simularities. You are the one who takes exception to the thread. Your right to do so. But do not make such an assumption and put it in my mouth. I said I did not imply anything. I said it was not to insult anyone. That it was conversational, for thinking people. If you are offended by a question no one else is, isnt that your problem? I dont need to hear about your thin skinned character and high moral attitude after going to lenght to include a disclaimer for people like you.

[iapr]

Originally Posted by Chicup

Prostitutes tend to have sex with low quality men who can't get it on their own in exchange for money.

Casual sex isn't that difficult if you have anything going for you. While the old 'you pay them to go away' may be true for famous/wealthy, most guys looking for hookers are neither famous nor wealthy. They are losers or just too old to get younger women.

Maybe the women love having sex with lifes losers and men as old as their fathers, but I somehow doubt thats their first choice.

Swinging women may have sex right away with someone they just met, but its her choice because she wants to have sex, and she can say no to those that she doesn't find attractive.

While I find nothing wrong with prostitution on a moral level, I find this question almost offensive. Comparing swinging to prostitution shows that someone doesn't really get it. You ask not to be flamed, you say that swingers are like prostitutes, yet we are suppose to play a mental game and pretend that they are?

What you are really asking is 'Women would you be a whore?' Some would, some wouldn't but to tie it in with swinging was not the way to go about it.

Oh and pay those girls an office wage and see how many stick around 'cause they like sex'.

I do agree with your last sentence but disagree with the rest. You say you find nothing wrong with prostitution on a moral level but you sure look down on the paying customers.

I do believe the cash exchange of prostitution is not for the sex but for the no strings element. You are not paying them for the sex you are paying them to forgo all preliminaries and then to walk away when it is done. I will concede that almost every guy can get a woman into bed with him some way some how but I do not think that paying cold hard cash is such a bad thing when you look at all the other ways guys get chicks into bed. With a cash exchange at the woman knows what she's in it for and what she is going to walk away with in the end.

I realize that prostitution has a real bad stigma in this society but as has been mentioned by other posters some of the guys that get the most chicks without paying are actually the ones that have the least amount of business being around any woman in the first place.

[djjwp]

I see no reason to put anyone down, this is a free country so we are told, there is no reason anyone should be treated any different from one another. I can talk with a prostitute as easy as I can a holy roller. We are all just trying to get through life as happy as we can. We should not be judgmental, we have enough idiots out there as politicians doing it for us.

I also see it strange that even Christ associated with prostitutes, tax collectors and such but we should not? Hummm, where have we gone as a society?

[Chicup]

Originally Posted by djjwp

I see no reason to put anyone down, this is a free country so we are told, there is no reason anyone should be treated any different from one another. I can talk with a prostitute as easy as I can a holy roller. We are all just trying to get through life as happy as we can. We should not be judgmental, we have enough idiots out there as politicians doing it for us.

I also see it strange that even Christ associated with prostitutes, tax collectors and such but we should not? Hummm, where have we gone as a society?

I forgot all about this post and missed a few replies.

I'm not in the mood to thread necro on those replies, but djjwp what was the point of your post?

I put down most prostitutes customers after watching to many episodes of cops and other sources and I stick by judgment.