Ethics v. Swinging

[ANGEDKY(mr)]

Originally Posted by Mr. Truelove

I disagree and still stand behind my responce. My point is how would you change your life to better maintain others around you

I am not interested in bettering their life, simply preventing the detraction of. How? By evaluating the worst case scenario and deciding, Do we or not?

Originally Posted by Mr. Truelove

or your place of employment/work

Same basic scrutiny applies here.

Originally Posted by Mr. Truelove

How far would you go?

It really is not a question of how far, it is a question of participating or not.

Originally Posted by Mr. Truelove

Would you infringe your personal happyness??

Of course we do, in fact I think everyone on this board (with maybe one or two rare exceptions)does. How many times have you heard people say "Had to post, cant tell anyone else what a great time we had last night" or "I would like to come out and tell everyone So what , we're swingers get over it" I think infringment of personal happiness comes with the territory.

Originally Posted by Mr. Truelove

What about convenience???

Not to sound flippant, but what of it?


Would you agree with this:
The choice of ethical compromise in swinging is a derivative of 1)Amount of desire to swing 2) The effects of being outted

[Mr. Truelove]

Originally Posted by ANGEDKY(mr)

I am not interested in bettering their life, simply preventing the detraction of. How? By evaluating the worst case scenario and deciding, Do we or not? Same basic scrutiny applies here. It really is not a question of how far, it is a question of participating or not. Of course we do, in fact I think everyone on this board (with maybe one or two rare exceptions)does. How many times have you heard people say "Had to post, cant tell anyone else what a great time we had last night" or "I would like to come out and tell everyone So what , we're swingers get over it" I think infringment of personal happiness comes with the territory. Not to sound flippant, but what of it?


Would you agree with this:
The choice of ethical compromise in swinging is a derivative of 1)Amount of desire to swing 2) The effects of being outted

I agree with that statement.

However. To broaden my statement:

As long as anything I do isn't hurting anyone directly (or causing them physical harm in some way shape or form), then I do not worry about those outcomes.

For instance, in your wife's work scenario you brought up. Even if you knew they would lose their jobs and your wife's because of your being outted, I wouldn't let it affect my decision. Because the cause of that is a direct effect of the company acting on their own merits. You swung. Company fired. Effect of this is your wife's co-workers lose their jobs. Sure, you can trace it back to you. But you could trace even further back. In the end though the true decision was made by the company.

For instance, would I feel guilty about working at a gun factory? Heck no. I'd be happy to have the job. You can trace cause and effect forever.

I'll agree that there are cases that could be made that might affect my decision. But those would be individual cases and not "in general."

I was going for a more philosophical armchair logic.

Very good question. I don't think I totally disagree, but I certainly have a hard time agreeing with a blanket statement that I would always worry about the outcomes of my outing.

[JustAskJulie]

Honestly, I think that fewer people would be hurt if people were honest about it. In the end, those who have "come out" about their swinging, very few have had negative reprecussions, other than situations where someone tried to use it against them in court (custody situations) or in a job situation.

I think the analogy to homosexuality in the closet is a good one, yes there are going to be people who will turn against you and not want to continue any sort of relationship (family or otherwise) but others (those who really care about you) will get over it and move past it.


*removed comment that would lend itself towards political debate*

[celtic239]

I think that the only profession that outing would affect would be someone who is a public figure. I live in NY. The Gov recently resigned because of his sex scandal (his real criminal legal problem was the illegal wire fraud for sending the funds to pay for the sex but not the sex itself). I would suspect that all the lobbyists, campaign workers, staff members and general political hacks will be either out of their donations or looking for work.
As for most people like me and the Mrs who like our privacy, we go to great lengths (like Mexico) to avoid people that we know. Obviously we don't get out much.

[knb2004]

And here comes the new gov.... Making statements that could EASILY be construed that he and his wife are swingers. I'm glad they did so, and hope they suffer no consequences for it.

We'll see.

Mr. knb2004

[Chris&Amelia]

Luckily neither Amelia or myself are not nearly that important that us being "outed" can have such far-reaching consequences to the community at large. That being said, if I was "outed" and fired as a response, I would have a pretty solid basis for a legal tort.

And I honestly can not see any negative repercussions that would result to our respective employers if we were outed.

I only worry what would happen if both of our parents found out, but any harm that would befall them would be of their own making.

Originally Posted by knb2004

And here comes the new gov.... Making statements that could EASILY be construed that he and his wife are swingers.

Really? Could you provide links or at least the quote?