My first swinging experiences...

[Platinum24]

Hey Everyone,

I'd like to post some of my swinging experiences. I'm not sure if this is the appropriate board or not.
For those of you who don't know me, I'm new to the swinging scene, not the sex scene, and I'm a gay guy. I'm a 23 year old voyeur, about to be 24 later this month. I love to watch male/female sex. It turns me on so much more than watching male/male sex.
I've only had sexual contact with guys up to 2 weeks ago. I went to a swingers club just to watch and masturbate watching people have sex. I've always wanted to try doing stuff with a female even though I knew it wouldn't turn me on sexually. So while I was at the club, this guy invited me to eat his wife's pussy. This was completely unexpected. So I dove right in and did it lol. I dont' know the female anatomy so I don't know if I did a good job or not. But it was so sexually liberating. As I expected, I didn't get turned on at all. But I liked doing it. It was totally cool with me. Then a little later, while we were still in the room, this guy took his dick out right by me and I did the same thing. Then he started to feel my ass and he put my hand on his dick. I was kinda surprised that that even happens in a swingers club. He said he wanted to do stuff with my female friend who was with me but I knew she wouldn't cause she's married. So then he said he would if we went into a room together. So then I got her to come into the room and just watch. And I sucked his dick. But not for long. He wanted her mostly I'm sure.
Anyway, the following week, I went alone. This couple that showed me and my friend around invited me to play with them. So I accepted. Again, I ate pussy. He wanted me to fuck her. But I couldn't get it up. So he kinda started touching me and sucked on me a little. Still, nothing. So that was that.

I didn't know that bi male/male action happens at these clubs. It's like the sexuality lines are blurred; at least in my case. I wanted to share this with everyone because I think it might be interesting. I remember when I went to another swingers club in my area before this one, which is just an expensive dance club with a theater, bedrooms, and loud music, I made a goal to do something with a guy in a swingers club. Looks like it happened without even trying. Again, all this was completely unexpected.

Platinum24

[MrkLin]

Swingers are an eclectic bunch. Not all of this lifestyle is "man on top of the woman, get it over with quick," sex. (My apologies to George Carlin for stealing and screwing up his line.) Bi men are not unheard of, as you quickly found out, but the majority are not, as you expected. Just be careful who you approach, and enjoy the encounters you have. After all, isn't this all about pleasure? I guarantee the women you played with liked what you were doing. Trust me when I say that's a good thing. Lord, that sounded so Martha Stewart, didn't it?

[Platinum24]

Ohhh ok =)
I wasn't sure if I was good or not. I'm really good at sucking dick. But I've heard of some people not being good at it and stuff. Oh believe me, I am really careful. I don't approach guys. With that first guy, I had actually used some very subtle cruising techniques. It wasn't hard to do since we were all standing around jacking off. I liked playing with the women. It was fun =)

[likeitalot04]

Frankly Platinum, I think your story and your reply is your fantasy. I can not imagine this happening the way you describe it and I for one would not want to see or have you around any lifestyle party that I was involved in. That is MY opinion only and I may be wrong, but your story just doesn't fit the profile of a lifestyle event. I think you are just having some fun on our board.

I also think you would be much happier among your own people than trying to insert yourself where you do not belong. Again, I may be wrong, but my gut tells me different. Please, just go away.

[BorisNatasha]

Wow, it didn't take long for the narrow minded bigots to show up.

Boris

[Spoomonkey]

I posted to your other thread, but since it seems some may not be "buying" your tale, I'll threow in here as well.

All clubs are different. I suspect that few really condon male on male contact. If they do - or if it is common behind closed doors - then it seems to be a great place for you.

I would suspect - based on my experience only - that most men in the lifestyle are not bisexual. But, I also think that most men are not homophobic - which means that they don't freak out because of a person's sexual preferences. They may not want to play with you - or they may be weirded out by you watching (if they knew you were gay) - but generally speaking, they wouldn't tell you to "stick to your kind."

I am thinking that since you enjoy what you have done so far, to keep the details of your preference kind of under wraps. I think it would probably cause problems if people knew that you were a gay voyeur.

But - it sounds like you have found a fun club with some fun people who are open to your interests. Good for you!

Spoomonkey

[Platinum24]

Excuse me, likeitornot, but you may find this hard to believe: I have better things to do than to play around on a board and make up stories. This is true. I am a gay man who enjoys watching male/female sex. I can understand that it may be hard for you to believe as this may be rare. Lots of gay men are repulsed by having sex with a female. I learned that I'm not, as I suspected before. If you don't like what I'm saying on the board, then you have the right to not read it. Your guts are wrong and I'm not going away. As I said before, I've noticed that the sexuality lines seem to blur. I wouldn't want to be at a swingers club or a lifestyle party with a person like you either. I came hear to learn about, share my experiences, and embrace this new discovery in my sexuality and this lifestyle.

[WildMiCouple]

Originally Posted by Spoomonkey

I am thinking that since you enjoy what you have done so far, to keep the details of your preference kind of under wraps. I think it would probably cause problems if people knew that you were a gay voyeur.

I understand your point, and somewhat agree with it Spoo. However.....isn't it being disingenuous going to a club and representing yourself as being straight or at the very least, bisexual, when one is gay How would you like to find out the single male that you went to a playroom with was gay......after he had enjoyed Mrs Spoo? Just a thought

Brett

[Platinum24]

Originally Posted by WildMiCouple

I understand your point, and somewhat agree with it Spoo. However.....isn't it being disingenuous going to a club and representing yourself as being straight or at the very least, bisexual, when one is gay How would you like to find out the single male that you went to a playroom with was gay......after he had enjoyed Mrs Spoo? Just a thought

Brett

WildMicouple, that's not fair. Women and str8 guys can explore their sexualities freely. Str8 guys are usually welcomed into gay establishments, whether it be a club, bathhouse, groups on campus, etc. It's the same with women, whether they're str8, bi, or gay. What is it with bi and gay guys that everyone has a problem with? It's just a sexuality. If I were a lesbian interested in fooling around with a man, I'd be welcomed. Tell the truth, wouldn't I? But I catch flak for being a gay guy interested in fooling around with women, and I get told to go back to my world. Question: how would u like to find out the single female u just went into a playroom with was gay...after she had enjoyed a man? Just a thought.

Platinum24

[twoferfun69]

WOW!
I agree with Boris, narrow mindedness is a bit out of place here.
I am a VERY straight male, and I would be upset if a man were to do something to me or even Jen without permission(or attempt to would be more to the point, the resultant "mild correction" would be ugly).
HOWEVER, if platinum24 follows the simple rules of ask permission first and no means no, then beyond that, more power to ya!!
Who are any of us to comment or judge on the gender proclavities of another poster on this board? Not to mention the idea of whether or not the tale was fantasy or reality. First of all, who really cares, if ya like the story, big deal. Second, how many of us can honestly say that at one point or another we did not have a reality that started as a fantasy? Isn't that kind of how we all ended up here?
Welcome to the 21st Century, where hopefully that kind of blatent bigotry will soon be something we only shake our heads at, not have to face in reality.
soapbox Steppin' down now.

[Chicup]

Originally Posted by Platinum24

WildMicouple, that's not fair. Women and str8 guys can explore their sexualities freely. Str8 guys are usually welcomed into gay establishments, whether it be a club, bathhouse, groups on campus, etc. It's the same with women, whether they're str8, bi, or gay. What is it with bi and gay guys that everyone has a problem with? It's just a sexuality. If I were a lesbian interested in fooling around with a man, I'd be welcomed. Tell the truth, wouldn't I? But I catch flak for being a gay guy interested in fooling around with women, and I get told to go back to my world. Question: how would u like to find out the single female u just went into a playroom with was gay...after she had enjoyed a man? Just a thought.

Platinum24

The problem would be that you are not really interested in women, most swingers are not there to play male male, and I have a feeling it would be a major ego slapping for Mrs. Chicup if you couldn't get it up for her. Of course you could then mention you were gay, which would be rather annoying at that stage of the evening.

[BorisNatasha]

Don't see a lot of people berating the married women who show up to the club to play with other women ONLY.

And you damn sure don't see anyone telling them to "go back to their own kind".

I have to say that this double standard on same-sex play is the only really disappointing thing I've come across in this lifestyle. It shows that swingers in general are not as open minded as they claim to be.

Am I going to play with a guy in a club? No. But I'm not going to jump into the group room and get in the middle of an orgy either. You don't see me railing against the group room or the sick people who participate in orgies. (note sarcasm please) If it's not for you that's fine... but it might be just what other people want to see. How many women have posted on this board that they would LOVE to see guy-guy action because it really turns them on. A LOT. So you can't lay blanket statements out there that say nobody at the club is interested in that type of activity.

Or are we all really into swinging to do whatever the men want and to hell with what the women fantasize about?

Double standards really piss me off in case you couldn't tell.

Boris

[Chicup]

Originally Posted by BorisNatasha

Don't see a lot of people berating the married women who show up to the club to play with other women ONLY.

And you damn sure don't see anyone telling them to "go back to their own kind".

I have to say that this double standard on same-sex play is the only really disappointing thing I've come across in this lifestyle. It shows that swingers in general are not as open minded as they claim to be.

Am I going to play with a guy in a club? No. But I'm not going to jump into the group room and get in the middle of an orgy either. You don't see me railing against the group room or the sick people who participate in orgies. (note sarcasm please) If it's not for you that's fine... but it might be just what other people want to see. How many women have posted on this board that they would LOVE to see guy-guy action because it really turns them on. A LOT. So you can't lay blanket statements out there that say nobody at the club is interested in that type of activity.

Or are we all really into swinging to do whatever the men want and to hell with what the women fantasize about?

Double standards really piss me off in case you couldn't tell.

Boris

Boris I don't know what you are talking about in relation to this post. I think ye are fighting demons which are not located here. If you want to complain about bi-males not being accepted in swinging then we have many more threads for that.

[WildMiCouple]

Originally Posted by Platinum24

But I catch flak for being a gay guy interested in fooling around with women, and I get told to go back to my world.
Platinum24

I personally couldn't care less what people do. To each their own. As long as your not not violating someone elses personal rights.....more power to ya platinum. But your not being honest with those you play with. The main reason we don't play with bi-males (along with gay males) hasn't even been addressed in this thread yet. It's because of the higher risk of HIV. There are enough std's we we have to worry about while playing, let alone playing with someone whose sexual orientation puts them in a significantly higher risk group of a deadly disease. Btw.....the other reason is male to male sex just turns me off anyway.

Platinum......it's about the honesty, plain and simple.

Brett

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by WildMiCouple

I understand your point, and somewhat agree with it Spoo. However.....isn't it being disingenuous going to a club and representing yourself as being straight or at the very least, bisexual, when one is gay How would you like to find out the single male that you went to a playroom with was gay......after he had enjoyed Mrs Spoo? Just a thought

Brett

Good point and great question!

I wasn't suggesting he tell folks he is straight - but I was saying to simply not say that he was gay. As you can tell - some folks have a strong reaction to that. Generally, I have found the board to be much more open minded than swinging's "real world".

Our club is not a place where ale on male play would be accepted. As a straight guy - that doesn't bother me one bit. But I am glad that people who have that interest find clubs that fit their interests.

Now - how would I feel if he were gay AFTER he had given my wife oral sex? A heck of a lot better than I would if I found out he were a cheater

To be honest, I never ask a guy if he is straight, bi or gay before we head into a play room. I simply make sure they know that I am straight. What he does with other folks is his business - what he does with us is ours. I assume that someone coming into a play room under those "guidelines" is either straight or bi, because he is only having sex with Mrs Spoo.

He can call himself what he wants, but if he enjoys sex with women... Well - if it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck...

If a guy told us he was gay during the flirting process, we would not go to a room with him. But, I also know there are plenty of folks out there who would entertain him - so live and let live.

And I agree with Chicup - I don't think Mrs Spoo would be too happy if a guy was only intro oral, for whatever reason. If he couldn't get it up - well that would be disappointing to say the least. I don't think it would be an ego hit for Mrs Spoo, though.

Originally Posted by Boris

Or are we all really into swinging to do whatever the men want and to hell with what the women fantasize about?

No - Boris - we are not. But if there are men out there asking or forcing their wives to do things that they are uncomfortable with, then I suggest that they are some of the lowest forms of scum.

I would never ask my wife to play in a situation or with a person that she was not comfortable with. She respects me the same way, fortunately for me, and wouldn't ask me to have sex with another man. Also fortunate for me, that doesn't interest her in the least.

I am not going to start having sex with other men like some trained monkey just to show that I am "open minded" or to fulfill some woman's fantasy. To do so would be stupid and weak. I play within my comfort zones - and I respect the comfort zones of my spouse and playmates...

THAT is the open-minded-ness that really matters...

Spoomonkey