nudity vs swinging

What is the proper connection between nudism and swinging? We have always met people that to swing with at either nude beaches or clubs. (yes we are discrete as there are children around) Lately I've been hearing about swinging clubs and stuff. Never heard of them. Is there a cover charge or a special way to become a member? Is it just better to leave well enough alone? We are happy meeting people there, but there has been so much neg. press about it we just weren't sure if it we want to be a contributing factor to fuel the fire. I'd hate to ruin the clubs. We love them. I hate tan lines:}

[CanadianCouple]

Originally posted by nudeygirl:
What is the proper connection between nudism and swinging?

The answer is none.

Although some nudists do engage in swinging (we're two of them), organized social nudity and swinging are separate entities, and all nudist camps I know of, with the exception of one, take great pains to disassociate their establishments from the lifestyle. In fact, the camp we've gone to for many years is especially tenacious in distancing themselves from anything related to swinging.

We've had older nudists tell us that back in the 50's, behaviour in nudist camps were so regimented that some even banned married couples from holding hands in public!!

Dan

[JustAskJulie]

No connection whatsoever between the two. There are many nudists who swing and there are many swingers who are also nudists.. but one doesn't equal the other.. and many swingers are uncomfortable with the idea of nudism (actually being naked in public).. and as mentioned most nudist resorts/camps/beaches etc don't look at all kindly on swinging.

Most nudist camps will basically say what you do in your own camper is your business but keep it out of the public eye. I know of 2 here in MI that knowingly promote themselves amongst the swinging community (one is listed in our club listings) and one that is considered as much a swinger campground as it is a nudist resort (they actually hold swinging functions there).

You will find swingers and nudist places.. but don't ever assume that because they are nudists they are swingers or vice versa.

Julie http://www.swingersboard.com

Thanks for the info. We are in Fla. and have found that the people in the places we go are open to swinging, however, its possible that it is just the places we are going, based on what you are saying. Could be because it is hotter in Fla. and the natives are restless.

[CanadianCouple]

Nudeygirl --

Certain camps have earned reputations as either very conservative or very liberal. We've never been to Florida, but based on what my wife and I have heard from those who have, Cypress Cove leans more towards the conservative side, while Paradise Lakes... wow, if half the things we've heard are true...

Dan

[Lysander]

Personally, I know many people who go to Haulover on a regular basis and are not swingers.

[CanadianCouple]

Lysander --

Well, that's good, but it only takes a few to paint the rest with the same brush. Kinda like four white cops in LA...

Dan

[LaylaSusanne]

We go to Haulover a lot. (well, not now, there's a sewer leak) But usually.

We just go to hang out and tan nude. Never thought of meeting other swingers there. Although many of the swingers we know go there, too.

John Lloyd Park, too, is definitely a bit of a cruising area.

I would have to say, YES, the natives get VERY restless. Maybe it's the heat, or the tropical breezes, or just the vast quantities of rum available!

Remember the old tourist slogan:

"Florida. The rules are different here."

SO TRUE!!!!

Layla

[lycioos]

LaylaSusanne, Ever been to the Riverboat in Tampa? I hear that it is a "anything goes" kinda place. Thy have full body massages and even tatooing on site. (so I hear)

[LaylaSusanne]

No, I've never been to Tampa, except doing Medical Flights, but we didn't get to leave the airport

I may have to plan a trip soon, though!

[Mike and Jan]

Great Topic! We've talked a lot about just this. Jan thinks that I'm a bit of a hypocrite for enjoying Apollo beach at the Canaveral National Seashore. We go, I look, and in fairness..., I strip. I always think of nudists as the hypocrites though in a way. I just can't think of a good excuse for nudism other than enjoying seeing naked bodies. Ok nudists..., I'm waiting for my lectures. LOL
As far as resorts? We'd go if we could find one that was neither a true "Swingers" or "Nudist" place that had RV sites. Paradise Lakes definitely comes closest but they still maintain the "Family" concept. We're just not comfortable with kids around.
It would be nice to have a place to go and possibly meet that, illusive, perfect person or couple. The closest we've found is Key West during Fantasy Fest. Very open-minded mix of nudity and naughdity! BTW, it's the last two weeks of October every year!

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[CanadianCouple]

Originally posted by Mike and Jan:
Ok nudists..., I'm waiting for my lectures.

Ask, and ye shall receive.

Nudism and swinging are indeed two separate entities. We know, we're engaging in both. Nudism is about body acceptance, by others and yourself. Social barriers are broken down for the most part, the aggressive businessman can't hide behind his three piece suit, the fashion conscious career woman doesn't have to worry about dressing to hide those unwanted pounds. Everyone blends in together, and it relieves so much of the pressure we all put on ourselves concerning body image.

Probably the reason you're uncomfortable with the idea of kids around in a nudist setting is you can't deliniate in your mind the difference between nudism and sexuality. Our own two children spent many summer weekends in nudist camps, from the age of around 7 until they were in their late teens. Both continued to willingly engage in social nudism as their bodies underwent the physical changes that are part and parcel with adolescence and my wife and I are both proud of the healthy and accepting image they have of themselves today. They grew up in a household where casual nudity was common, but were NEVER subjected to anything sexual. Our bedroom door was always closed, and they've never seen me with an erection. We're very adament about adult/parental sexuality being hidden from children. They're now in their early 20's, and both in committed relationships. And to our knowledge, neither have "slept around". One study we read of several years ago, around the time we began frequenting nudist camps with our children, showed kids who grew up in that environment ended up having babies out of wedlock in their teens at a rate about half the national average. Clearly there's a reason for this.

All I can suggest, Mike and Jan, is try it for yourselves, then make an informed judgement. As far as overt sexuality, I've personally never seen it, and haven't seen a single instance of an erection in a nudist camp, except for one or two cases of guys jumping out of their tents or trailers a bit too quickly in the morning. You may THINK all those nude bodies are sexually stimulating, but trust me, it ain't so.

Dan

[lycioos]

I found this to be very informative, I do have a question if that is o.k.
Your kids never saw you aroused, which is great, but how about anyone else? (not being sarcastic) Are they also as discrete? How do you keep out, or protect your kids from seeing those who are "just looking for a piece?" I think I worded that right????

Originally posted by lycioos:
I found this to be very informative, I do have a question if that is o.k.
Your kids never saw you aroused, which is great, but how about anyone else? (not being sarcastic) Are they also as discrete? How do you keep out, or protect your kids from seeing those who are "just looking for a piece?" I think I worded that right????

A "piece" of what?

As for discretion around our children, and as far as "I" know, they've never seen us "doing the deed". Everyone had their own rooms, and the whole family knows, that you knock before entering anyones room. We all had our own "rules", and we all respected each others personal rules. They don't appreciate the adults breaking their rules, and visa-versa. So they understand and respect everyones request & rules...

And if the door is locked, then they'll just wait for another time to "bug" us. *lol* But we've never had a problem with keeping any "sexual activities" "in the bedroom" from our children.

They've crawled in bed with us in the middle of the night (awaken from a nightmare, or something of that sort) while we were sleeping naked, and that never bothered them, or questioned us about it. It was something natural for them, I guess. Maybe because I breast fed my children, that it seemed natural to see us naked, and they've showered with us till they started noticing "certain details" about us (adults) that they didn't have... *lol*


CyberWife

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[JustAskJulie]

I think Lycious was referring to the nudist side of this question.. to those who are active nudists and who's children see that side of their lives. I think the "piece" he was referring to was that of guys (or girls) who attend nudist resorts just looking for sex. However, i think that most people who attend a nudist resort looking for that will soon realize they are out of luck. And most nudist resorts that promote/condone swinging at the camp either don't allow kids OR it's known enough that that is more of an adult resort that people don't take their kids there for the most part.
As far as people attending a regular nudist resort looking for sex.. I think most anyone who did would only do it once as they would find out rather quickly that a nudist resort is not what they had hoped it would be.

I could have been wrong on what Lycious was asking about.. if so please correct me.

this was just my 2cents (as compared to my usual 4cents).

Julie http://www.swingersboard.com