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We have a bit of an issue with a swinger site. Not everyone's beloved SLS but a different one which unfortunately is the main one for our area.

 

The problem is I do not trust it to keep details private. Something about it strikes me as underhanded potentials, plus while we were on it they had a security 'breach' of sorts in one area and I think it was from credit card info (only way it made sense).

 

Now they accept credit cards but not paypal and from what I gather, 'gift' card style credit cards do not work since it isn't linked to anything like your address.

 

So any ideas on this one besides the obvious not using them?

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Will they accept a money order mailed to them?

 

You know they might...

 

Thought I'd have to lie their form for mailing something in requires your first and last name and mailing address.

 

Its quite frustrating because its the site that 80% of the couples use in my area in our age range.

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Chicup, my friend. There seems a bit of mystery here....

 

Are you wanting information on how to use a credit card and still remain anonymous?

 

Or, are you wanting to know if this website only has cynical intentions, as in sharing your information, or using it in a fraudulent way?

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You bring up an excellent point, and the concerns for the short term are valid, but moreover, with the way the sites themselves seem to spawn a life of their own. A longer term view of personal info becomes troubling.

 

Over the years we have joined, been paying members, on numerous sites. And of those sites, they get popular, start to take off, and suddenly get SOLD.. with it your personal info. Lets face it, a Cash Cow, should be a coveted thing.. While the short term, Million Dollar pay off is great for most.. the trust we all place in the sites is often mis used and abused.

 

When Paul and Ann started swappernet, we were among the first to migrate there. And just like Swing Lifestyle, buying the long term, Lifetime membership made a lot more sense than a month to month.

 

Then they (Paul and Ann) sold it. And the ground became shaky. the site waned.. and since I cant make heads or tails of how many others have purchased it.. but its "traffic" certainly seems to have died or at the very least died down.

 

We certainly feel your pain Chicup.. a popular "local" site with scores of people in our area of FL doesn't give us good vibes either. Swingtowns goes back and forth from revisions and changes and all the while placing roadblocks for people who are evaluating the site.

 

I mean lets face it, why spend dollar one, if the people you MIGHT be interested in, you cant see.. this has been the stumbling point for the largest site out there.. AFF

 

You sign up, create a profile, add your info to their data base.. and then HOPE to draw the attention of someone, because you cant read profiles, write emails or interact unless you download their proprietary "instant messenger" and even then as a standard member, the options are limited.

 

Please forgive the RANT, but things are spinning out of control thru out the web.. CNN even ran a story in the past 24 hours, about facebook and the selling of personal info.. and how readily available it is to advertisers..

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Ok I've done some digging and I think the way to do it would be to register a gift credit card to a non-existent address. Since you are not having anything delivered it wouldn't matter, so unless the site was blocking gift cards on purpose it should work.

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"American Express' Private Payments offers a more secure way to pay online using a random, unique number for each online purchase. This enables customers to purchase online without transmitting their actual Card account number over the Internet. Private Payments is available to American Express consumer and small business Cardmembers in the US. Private Payments generates a unique Private Payments number with expiration date that is then randomly created by American Express. The Cardmember transfers this information into the merchant order form to complete the purchase. The Cardmember's actual Card account number is not sent over the Internet, thus keeping this information private. The Private Payments number is designed to be used for a single purchase and to expire after the merchant authorization process is completed. Upon expiration, the Private Payments number cannot be used again if stolen."

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Visa and Mastercard often have similar options in the US. It still doesn't avoid having to give them your real name and address through. Which is what Chicup was trying to avoid I think.

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slevin said:
Visa and Mastercard often have similar options in the US. It still doesn't avoid having to give them your real name and address through. Which is what Chicup was trying to avoid I think.

 

I thought you get the one time "fake name" and "one time purchase number" together?

 

Sometimes, the more you try to hide, the harder someone looks....

 

Nothing, on the internet is private, especially on paid websites.

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fun4Ds said:
I thought you get the one time "fake name" and "one time purchase number" together ?

 

Sometimes, the more you try to hide, the harder someone looks....

 

Nothing, on the internet is private, especially on paid websites.

 

I think it just provides a one time use credit card number. This would allow for making purchases at sites you are unsure of without worrying about whether your credit card number will be compromised.

 

Chicup's concern, and I understand it, is having the site store his real name and address. Not for what they might do with it, but if their security sucks then someone else might come across it. Better safe than sorry, though that probably takes it further than I'd worry about.

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slevin said:
Chicup's concern, and I understand it, is having the site store his real name and address. Not for what they might do with it, but if their security sucks then someone else might come across it. Better safe than sorry, though that probably takes it further than I'd worry about.

 

I see what your saying, and agree. Its more than I worry about now because we have had our identity's stolen. One thing I can assure you on 100%, is no one cares ! Not the police, not the courts, not the IRS or Social Security. Been down that road :(

 

But, Say for instance, we meet someone through said website. Now is your identity safe ? Just in meeting people, your identity is compromised. The more you meet the more you compromise.

 

Say you use AOL with a static IP, your getting comfort not a guarantee. Read the fine print.

 

Say you use a cloaking website, they still only sell comfort. In the end they wont be held accountable if your security/identity is compromised. None of them Guarantee anything more than personal comfort. Again, read the fine print...

 

Heck, all or any of our banks don't even guarantee 100% anonymity. They will cover any losses, which is more than a website will. But still, once security is breached your identity is still out there somewhere in a database.

 

Nothing on the Web is 100% private, but comfort is always for sell. I had a friend tell me that once, and then he showed me.

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It would be easier if you just told us the site and that way if any of us have had experience with it, we could tell of our track record with them. We, for one [or two] are on SLS, SDC, Swappernet, Sexxymofo, and gave up our profile on LSL due to geographic malaise, and all have been fine over the past 6 years. Regarding credit card abuse, if you get an unauthorized charge you would do a chargeback through your credit card. The charge will be negated and the proof on the vendor to have authorized the charge.

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This site had a compromise a few years ago when we were on, and someone was mailing people their own profiles back to them at their home address. Some who got them never attended a life style event or party and the only place it made sense they got the address info from was the CC payment.

 

Now I understand nothing is 100% secure, but I'm not looking to hide from the NSA, I'm just looking that our name isn't on a list somewhere that gets sold, stolen, etc.

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This site had a compromise a few years ago when we were on, and someone was mailing people their own profiles back to them at their home address.

 

I am not easily freaked out, but that would definitely freak me out.

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I was doing some research and found out a few things. Depending on the CC Authorization service used by a site, they may not even see this information, i.e. you real name, credit card number and address. If the site uses provided module by certain CC Auth vendors, the information goes directly to the Auth company and the site does not see it, and certainly does not store the info. The problem is, it is often difficult to know what CC auth company a site uses. I am not sure if that is a relief for you or not Chicup.

 

Personally, if I were running a site, that type set up would be preferred. It reduces the possibility of (and potentially the incentive) of being hacked and revealing personal data.

 

Oh, and by the way SLS and any other adult content site cannot use PayPal or Google. Their agreements do not permit collection for adult content sites (not sure exactly ow that is defined, obviously porn sites and SLS type sites, but not sure what else.) It is a shame, because CC auth sites that do accept adult content sites seem to much more expensive.

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Coupleerotic22 said:
I was doing some research and found out a few things. Depending on the CC Authorization service used by a site, they may not even see this information, i.e. you real name, credit card number and address. If the site uses provided module by certain CC Auth vendors, the information goes directly to the Auth company and the site does not see it, and certainly does not store the info. The problem is, it is often difficult to know what CC auth company a site uses. I am not sure if that is a relief for you or not Chicup.

 

Personally, if I were running a site, that type set up would be preferred. It reduces the possibility of (and potentially the incentive) of being hacked and revealing personal data.

 

Oh, and by the way Swing Lifestyle and any other adult content site cannot use PayPal or Google. Their agreements do not permit collection for adult content sites (not sure exactly ow that is defined, obviously porn sites and Swing Lifestyle type sites, but not sure what else.) It is a shame, because CC auth sites that do accept adult content sites seem to much more expensive.

 

You would think that (and, for the record, I agree with you), however that seems to not be the case when it comes to most swinger sites. They usually opt to go with a standard auth account where they control the info. This requires a lot more work (imo) and a lot more problems overall. In some ways I can understand why wouldn't go with something like CCBill as it does cut your profit margin a bit BUT you get a lot more for what you are paying. It seems like they way most choose to do it just creates more issues than it solves.

 

The only thing I can think of is as you said to register a gift type credit card to a different address and see if that will work.

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