Nightclub owner charged with allowing sex on premises (NC)

[two4youinswva]

Owner of club near Asheville charged with allowing sex | citizen-times.com | Asheville Citizen-Times LINK NOW DEAD

Undercover investigators visited the club on June 13 and saw sexual activity in an upstairs area accessible to anyone inside the establishment, the application states. They also saw Dean observe a variety of different sex acts, some involving multiple groups of people.

Investigators visited the Blu Lounge again on June 20 and heard Dean asking females to “bare their breasts.” One woman complied, investigators said. Agents visited a third time on July 18 and again saw patrons engaged in sex acts, according to warrants.

Asheville Area Swinger Parties Leads to Club Owner’s Arrest | AdultCarolina

Some of the materials gathered at the location during the search included promotional material from Swinglifestyle.com. A search on the Swing Lifestyle site shows that a group called “Asheville Area Swingers” was holding events at the Blu Lounge on at one of the nights when the undercover investigation was in progress.

[bbarnsworth]

And another organizer doing it wrong bites the dust.

I wonder how many of the stories have to be told before people get the lesson?

Answer: Infinity, or course.

Sigh.

[Coupleerotic22]

I know it varies by state, but generally, do off premise clubs that do not sell alcohol fall under the same laws?

[ClosetSwinger]

In our state the two areas have to be seperated by a door. Meaning there has to be a bar side where NO SEX or nudity can occur and then there can be a "private area" that no alcohol can go in (so you gotta leave your drinks in the bar) they have to be seperated by a door and there can be NO alcohol in that area. Here the law is if there is alcohol being sold there can be no sexual activity or nudity openly. The strip club here gets away with it because the girls wear pasties (clear ones at that so it's stupid).

[Tom & Bonnie]

Originally Posted by Coupleerotic22

I know it varies by state, but generally, do off premise clubs that do not sell alcohol fall under the same laws?

Local laws differ so check for yourself but in Texas no alcohol license and privacy and offensive disclaimers at BYOB Private clubs prevents these types of problems.

The Alcohol board in Texas has morality clauses that are not even in state laws yet they enforce them with an iron fist. A friend of mine that has a night club with a beer & wine permit was warned that their license would be pulled if the DJ played "Pussy Control" by Prince again!

As always, any potential client to a swingers club whether Off, On or at a local bar should know the laws and observe them....

[bbarnsworth]

Originally Posted by ClosetSwinger

The strip club here gets away with it because the girls wear pasties (clear ones at that so it's stupid).

Never let common sense get in the way of a bad law.

[monkeycouple]

I was there July 4th weekend on that Saturday. Here's what I recall. On the door was posted, "Private Party" and you checked in from a RSVP list from what you posted on Swing Lifestyle if you were attending. The bar was selling alcohol, and according to North Carolina Law, you can't have nudity around where a liqour license is display and where drinks are being sold. Add the fact that intercourse occured upstairs behind a locked door area, that allowed justification for the arrest of the bar owner. The swingers club owner was the entity that "rented" the bar for a private party for their swingers function as posted on their website. This was two seperate individuals with two different cashflows, now keep in mind it was the bar owner, not the any of the swingers group, that was arrested. The case hasn't been to trial that I know of, but the bar owner may or may not loose his lisence to sell booze because he let some (knowingly or unknowingly) swingers club owner have their liberties on "his" public property and got himself in the news. Regardless, no more swingers parties with nudity after that!

The moral of the story is: BYOB your party whenever possible.

[DavidandKari]

Originally Posted by monkeycouple

The moral of the story is: BYOB your party whenever possible.

AMEN. Luckily in hotel parties it's been extremely rare that there's been any issues...but when M&G's are held in a bar the risks are just sooo much higher.

Add to that pre-existing issues in Asheville...it's one of those "Red flag" areas for lifestyle parties anyways (and I'd love to say why but I won't lol).

We had a few parties in a bar back last year near Charlotte..but in that case we rented the place out and didn't allow anyone in except those that we knew/allowed. Even then we ran a risk that we were ultimately uncomfortable with.

-David T.

[prometheius]

Originally Posted by DavidandKari

AMEN. Luckily in hotel parties it's been extremely rare that there's been any issues...but when M&G's are held in a bar the risks are just sooo much higher.

We have hosted M&G's in a hotel lounge in south-central VA for well over a year now and have never run into any high risk situations, so I'm curious to know what you consider to be high risk issues. I am aware of the difference in the laws between NC and VA, but would like to know what we might want to possibly be watching out for?

[slevin]

Originally Posted by prometheius

We have hosted M&G's in a hotel lounge in south-central VA for well over a year now and have never run into any high risk situations, so I'm curious to know what you consider to be high risk issues. I am aware of the difference in the laws between NC and VA, but would like to know what we might want to possibly be watching out for?

Boy am I glad I live in Canada now! On-premises clubs serving alcohol are legal. So are strip clubs offering full-contact lapdances and serving alcohol.

Who wants to move to Canada?

[DavidandKari]

Originally Posted by prometheius

We have hosted M&G's in a hotel lounge in south-central VA for well over a year now and have never run into any high risk situations, so I'm curious to know what you consider to be high risk issues. I am aware of the difference in the laws between NC and VA, but would like to know what we might want to possibly be watching out for?

Was referring to the nudity/sexual activity issue. Most of the hotel parties (cash bars as well as BYOB) in the Carolinas that we've been to over the years usually have some level of rule-breaking. The M&G's held in regular bars or strip clubs just are at a higher risk of problems *if* people go beyond the normal rules.

[it'sso]

Just one question. How does an official investigator conduct an investigation "undercover" in one of these clubs?

[partypants64]

Hi everyone...reading your posts it makes me happy for sure to be from Ontario canada...Where on premise swing clubs are legal and (IMO) getting to be a huge source of entertainment...not just for swingers, but for all couples who want a night out that is purely for themselves...the open minded, the curious etc...

[monkeycouple]

Originally Posted by it'sso

Just one question. How does an official investigator conduct an investigation "undercover" in one of these clubs?

Another reason you dont allow single males in a bar party where booze is sold. The investigator must have taken pictures with his cell phone. The newspaper article (not currently posted - dead link) said, "taken photos of used rubbers/condoms left in the room upstairs where intercourse taken place."

Insertions is "high risk" in a state where the law states no vaginal insertion is allowed or nudity around where a license for alcohol sales are taking place. Now if the bar owner didnt sale his alcohol, and the party was a private party with a RSVP list at the door, wella, "no risk." But the bar owner still claimed "he wasn't aware if intercourse had happened."

The couple was a young couple whom hosted the party and posted the address on their website. After the bust, immediately, the address of the bar where the swingers were to meet was removed. After that weekend, the turnout was ziltch and, wella, no more swingers parties there anymore after the news blasted all over for the world to see. Amazed was the nearby Christains critisizing what they dont understand.

Left to see, is the outcome of the bar owner and how his court case came out. He risked to loose his $1,500 alcohol lisense in the future depending on the outcome of the court case. Regardless, no more swingers parties at that bar.

Pride sets in when you allow intercourse and post an address to your party. Not so private is it? Swinger functions should never post an address in my opinion, but some still do such, even to hotel parties. But face it, after years of no problems, there will always be pride that will get you in the end.

Swingers parties should be at a secret location and only posted to those that RSVP'd members is the moral of this write-up. If the law allows a license to sell alcohol, you better know the laws in your state.

[PB&J]

Originally Posted by monkeycouple

Another reason you dont allow single males in a bar party where booze is sold.

Of course, the investigator could be a single woman or, for that matter, a couple.