Is Swinging putting British Security at Risk?

***JustAskJulie*** · 10-15-2009, 10:16 PM

Secret swinger at UK nuclear weapons HQ | The Sun |News

socolais · 10-15-2009, 10:47 PM

I'll bet the Admiral is pissed - got his pic in the tabloid too.

xxxboxy · 10-15-2009, 10:48 PM

Since the article mentions that her husband didn't know I'd say she was cheating not swinging...and blackmail only works if you're determined to keep it all hidden. I'd come out as a swinger in a heartbeat rather than be blackmailed.

ncmd_couple · 10-15-2009, 11:01 PM

At least in the US, Swinging is not a basis for loss of your security clearance unless it is determined that such behavior, coupled with other factors, put security at risk. Having had a lot of experience with the topic, most people who have "tickets" and are swingers, would just walk into the security office and tell them about it if it was an issue. Her status will be determined on how she handles this. Not what is in the tabloids.

Rackir · 10-15-2009, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxboxy

Since the article mentions that her husband didn't know I'd say she was cheating not swinging...and blackmail only works if you're determined to keep it all hidden. I'd come out as a swinger in a heartbeat rather than be blackmailed.

Yup, like so many things, it's a problem because you think it's a problem. I can just imagine somone trying to blackmail me with proof that Im a swinger. Everyone who knows me would say "well no shit! Everyone knows that".

bicuriocpl · 10-15-2009, 11:10 PM

I think its interesting that they put the word Orgies in all caps. When I read the first sentence it seemed to me more like a couple of school girls were talking gossip. And I agree with Xxxboxy that if the husband didn't know about her activities, she was cheating not swinging. No communication = problems every time.

bbarnsworth · 10-16-2009, 10:18 AM

Yep, plain old cheating. Of course, never pass up the opportunity to slam swinging.

Gag.

***JustAskJulie*** · 10-16-2009, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ncmd_couple

At least in the US, Swinging is not a basis for loss of your security clearance unless it is determined that such behavior, coupled with other factors, put security at risk. Having had a lot of experience with the topic, most people who have "tickets" and are swingers, would just walk into the security office and tell them about it if it was an issue. Her status will be determined on how she handles this. Not what is in the tabloids.

This discussion has been rather close to home lately, and we came to the consensus that while being outted wouldn't force a loss of security clearance in a religious area such as this it could still very easily cause the loss of a job and being black-balled in the area - forcing a move to a new state...

ncmd_couple · 10-16-2009, 11:22 PM

Julie,

Oh, her life is going to be messed up in many ways, personally, professionally, and publicly, because of this. Something like this happening is also why if cameras are involved in a swinging situation where I don't control the camera, we exit stage left immediately! I also fully understand that "being outed" can have significant ramification on a person's job or privately owned business. Part of my professional experience is Risk Management. The keys to that are:

1. Identify the risks.
2. Mitigate the risks.
3. Always have "Plan C" ready to go.

The lady in question didn't do this. In fact, she placed herself at risk.

1. Swinging without the knowledge of her husband, i.e. cheating.
2. Swinging in an environment that was not safe and discrete.
a. If this happened at a club, they did not provide appropriate security to their guests.
b. If the camera was out, she played anyway.
c. If this was a private party, it wasn't safe because others didn't step in and deal with the camera if it wasn't supposed to be there.
d. If she had any clue that she was being photographed, and continued, she was an idiot considering her profession.
3. At the first sign that she was at risk, hopefully she went straight to the appropriate authorities where she worked. If she didn't, then she is royally screwed.

Maybe I should write a thread about it even though this topic has been touched on before. But my bottom line is, if you know the risks, and mitigate them, then you can swing safely except for the possibility of an "oh shit!" But if you have plan C in place, you should be ok.

S

PB&J · 10-16-2009, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ncmd_couple

Maybe I should write a thread about it even though this topic has been touched on before. But my bottom line is, if you know the risks, and mitigate them, then you can swing safely except for the possibility of an "oh shit!" But if you have plan C in place, you should be ok.
S

You should... I'm dying to know how to come up with Plan C!

Oh my... I LOVE this line:
"Another expert said: "She'll have sensitive details of Trident missiles."

mmmm those missiles

ncmd_couple · 10-16-2009, 11:37 PM

For you babe, I will

It will probably be Monday as we have a full weekend planned.

S

Additude · 10-17-2009, 07:31 AM

Well - Well - Well....

This will not be a good outcome for her no matter which way it tilts.

But she was "discovered by pictures taken of her that were circulating amongst swinger friends". Now for the life of me I'd love to know just exactly how those pics were intercepted or exposed.

I bet that's a story in itself.

PB&J · 10-17-2009, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ncmd_couple

For you babe, I will

Thank you!

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socolais nothin special Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,251 Location: Dallas Status: M. Male - half of a novice swinging couple Swing Lifestyle Name:Bruce_Melissa	Re: Is Swinging putting British Security at Risk? I'll bet the Admiral is pissed - got his pic in the tabloid too.
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xxxboxy Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 360 Location: Near Seattle Status: Male half of couple Swing Lifestyle Name:xxxboxy	Re: Is Swinging putting British Security at Risk? Since the article mentions that her husband didn't know I'd say she was cheating not swinging...and blackmail only works if you're determined to keep it all hidden. I'd come out as a swinger in a heartbeat rather than be blackmailed.

10-15-2009, 11:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
ncmd_couple Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,252 Location: North Carolina Status: Couple Swing Lifestyle Name:ncmd_couple	Re: Is Swinging putting British Security at Risk? At least in the US, Swinging is not a basis for loss of your security clearance unless it is determined that such behavior, coupled with other factors, put security at risk. Having had a lot of experience with the topic, most people who have "tickets" and are swingers, would just walk into the security office and tell them about it if it was an issue. Her status will be determined on how she handles this. Not what is in the tabloids.
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10-15-2009, 11:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
bicuriocpl Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 111 Location: Oregon Status: Couple Swing Lifestyle Name:Bicuriocpl	Re: Is Swinging putting British Security at Risk? I think its interesting that they put the word Orgies in all caps. When I read the first sentence it seemed to me more like a couple of school girls were talking gossip. And I agree with Xxxboxy that if the husband didn't know about her activities, she was cheating not swinging. No communication = problems every time.
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10-16-2009, 10:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
bbarnsworth Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,870 Location: South Central Indiana Status: Couple	Re: Is Swinging putting British Security at Risk? Yep, plain old cheating. Of course, never pass up the opportunity to slam swinging. Gag.

10-16-2009, 11:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
ncmd_couple Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,252 Location: North Carolina Status: Couple Swing Lifestyle Name:ncmd_couple	Re: Is Swinging putting British Security at Risk? Julie, Oh, her life is going to be messed up in many ways, personally, professionally, and publicly, because of this. Something like this happening is also why if cameras are involved in a swinging situation where I don't control the camera, we exit stage left immediately! I also fully understand that "being outed" can have significant ramification on a person's job or privately owned business. Part of my professional experience is Risk Management. The keys to that are: 1. Identify the risks. 2. Mitigate the risks. 3. Always have "Plan C" ready to go. The lady in question didn't do this. In fact, she placed herself at risk. 1. Swinging without the knowledge of her husband, i.e. cheating. 2. Swinging in an environment that was not safe and discrete. a. If this happened at a club, they did not provide appropriate security to their guests. b. If the camera was out, she played anyway. c. If this was a private party, it wasn't safe because others didn't step in and deal with the camera if it wasn't supposed to be there. d. If she had any clue that she was being photographed, and continued, she was an idiot considering her profession. 3. At the first sign that she was at risk, hopefully she went straight to the appropriate authorities where she worked. If she didn't, then she is royally screwed. Maybe I should write a thread about it even though this topic has been touched on before. But my bottom line is, if you know the risks, and mitigate them, then you can swing safely except for the possibility of an "oh shit!" But if you have plan C in place, you should be ok. S
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10-16-2009, 11:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
ncmd_couple Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,252 Location: North Carolina Status: Couple Swing Lifestyle Name:ncmd_couple	Re: Is Swinging putting British Security at Risk? For you babe, I will It will probably be Monday as we have a full weekend planned. S
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10-17-2009, 07:31 AM	#12 (permalink)
Additude Swingers Board Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 623 Location: OBX-NC	Re: Is Swinging putting British Security at Risk? Well - Well - Well.... This will not be a good outcome for her no matter which way it tilts. But she was "discovered by pictures taken of her that were circulating amongst swinger friends". Now for the life of me I'd love to know just exactly how those pics were intercepted or exposed. I bet that's a story in itself.
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