First time....with an Escort!

[LikeMinds321]

I found a thread that might interest you:

How To Use An Escort Service?

LM

[lotsoffun201]

We did it for many years. It was easy, you could pick who you wanted, the reviews (on well known independant review sites) were usually spot on. The problem is that it got expensive. Couples calls were usually in the range of $500-$600. As the economy tanked the prices went down. Using a "service" is a bad idea because of the bait and switch and prices are always a joke. The brothels are an even bigger rip off for prices and having a timer go off with a voice over a speaker telling you time is up sucks even more. We did that once and it wasn't worth the drive.


STD's with high end well reviewed escorts are relatively rare since this is their occupation and they don't take many risks. In fact their risk taking is less than what we see at most swing clubs.

If you are looking for a GUARANTEED single female to join you while you are in vegas and the cost is not a problem then its a good way to go IMHO. Just stick to a well reviewed independant escort and have a good time. Sting operations are generally from craigslist and the services. They are looking for catching the girls more so than the customers.

[bbarnsworth]

Originally Posted by azcoupledr

Thanks for the caution. I hear you and maybe the legal way is the best. Just did not want to travel the hour out to the brothel.

Choices:

1. 1 hour drive, legal, STD rate almost non-existent.
2. No drive, illegal, much higher STD rate, possibility of being caught in a sting.

Is there really any debate about this? Saving yourself two hours of driving is worth risking STDs, being arrested, a big fine and/or jail time? You're so wanting to be careful that you're doing a bunch of research. Why not be careful and do this LEGALLY and SAFELY?



VegasLee disagreed with my assertion of the STD rates among prostitutes in Las Vegas. Very well, I'll back it up with cited fact:
September 3, 2002: Dr. Randall Todd (Nevada state epidemiologist is in charge of tracking sexually transmitted diseases): "HIV has turned up in hundreds of Las Vegas prostitutes". Contrast that with another quote from him: "We see very little STD among the working girls in [legal] brothels" (cite).

So I guess the question becomes; feeling lucky?

Originally Posted by azcoupledr

While I know stings are a possibility, I feel that you can take a lot of the risk out of it with homework. We have already contacted one very well reviewed, higher end Courtesan and believe, she is even more worried about security than we are!

What, and cops aren't capable of setting a good sting? Having the bait tell you she is careful about security? What did you expect, the bait cop would say "Oh honey, don't worry about security! I'm not a cop!"?!?!?

[VegasLee]

Originally Posted by bbarnsworth

VegasLee disagreed with my assertion of the STD rates among prostitutes in Las Vegas. Very well, I'll back it up with cited fact:
September 3, 2002: Dr. Randall Todd (Nevada state epidemiologist is in charge of tracking sexually transmitted diseases): "HIV has turned up in hundreds of Las Vegas prostitutes". Contrast that with another quote from him: "We see very little STD among the working girls in [legal] brothels" (cite).

So I guess the question becomes; feeling lucky?

I disagreed that your statement of over 50%. As stated in your "cite" it is found in 100's. In this town we have THOUSANDS of Illegal hookers. Your also using a 8 year old article. Believe it or not, a few thing have got better in Vegas. Last Health Department information shows that HIV has had a big drop in Clark County.

You are correct that there are many with STD's but I have problems with over statements about most anything.

Vegas is easy to pick on because there are a lot so stupid things done in this town but I do my best to try to keep it a bit real. I love this town and hate to see people do really stupid things that make us look worse then we are.

[bbarnsworth]

Originally Posted by VegasLee

Vegas is easy to pick on because there are a lot so stupid things done in this town but I do my best to try to keep it a bit real. I love this town and hate to see people do really stupid things that make us look worse then we are.

I'm not picking on Vegas, but rather the choice to use an illegal prostitute when legal prostitution is only an hour away. That's really a compliment to Vegas, not an insult.

We know the STD rate among illegal prostitutes is considerable, whatever we'd like to state it to be. We know the STD rate among legal prostitutes in Nevada is very low to the point of almost non-existent. That's all the comparison necessary to add on to the heap of reasons why choosing an illegal prostitute for this fantasy fulfillment is, in my book, a seriously bad decision, most especially when legal avenues are a stone's throw away.

[slevin]

Originally Posted by bbarnsworth

We know the STD rate among illegal prostitutes is considerable

We do?

[azcoupledr]

Originally Posted by lotsoffun201

We did it for many years. It was easy, you could pick who you wanted, the reviews (on well known independant review sites) were usually spot on. The problem is that it got expensive. Couples calls were usually in the range of $500-$600. As the economy tanked the prices went down. Using a "service" is a bad idea because of the bait and switch and prices are always a joke. The brothels are an even bigger rip off for prices and having a timer go off with a voice over a speaker telling you time is up sucks even more. We did that once and it wasn't worth the drive.


STD's with high end well reviewed escorts are relatively rare since this is their occupation and they don't take many risks. In fact their risk taking is less than what we see at most swing clubs.

If you are looking for a GUARANTEED single female to join you while you are in vegas and the cost is not a problem then its a good way to go IMHO. Just stick to a well reviewed independant escort and have a good time. Sting operations are generally from craigslist and the services. They are looking for catching the girls more so than the customers.

This was exactly our thoughts. We have done quite a bit of research on several well reviewed escorts and have chatted on the phone with one. She was very easy to talk to and put my wife at ease. She is an indenpendent escort not from an agency. However she is expensive, about $800 for two hours.

While we are not happy this is illegal, it seems like the risk is low. Frankly, while getting arrested for this would be a big inconvienence, what is the penalty for a visiting tourist in their own hotel room in Vegas? It would not ruin our lives.

As for STD's, it seems to use that the risks are also there in the swing community. You always need to practice some precautions, no different with an escort.

The big surprise is the hostility from some in this forum. You would thing swingers would a more open mind. We are not offended, just surprised.

[sweet_tna]

You're surprised that the members here have expressed concern for your safety and want to help you avoid the possibility of getting arrested? Funny, that doesn't strike me as hostile.

You've been given some sound advice from those in the know. Either way, it's still your life to live and you have to live with the consequences. For ya'll sake, I hope it turns out wonderfully.

If not . . . well . . . caveat emptor.

=)

[PB&J]

Well, this article seems to think there's a possibility you could be arrested...
"In a related effort, undercover female officers make arrests of men who try to hire prostitutes. "

This site warns that the consequences of being arrested in Vegas DON'T stay in Vegas:
"Las Vegas criminal defense lawyers indicate that a substantial number of tourists get arrested there on Las Vegas solicitation for prostitution charges. Some of the arrestees are under the mistaken belief that the activity is legal in Las Vegas, or that vice enforcement really doesn’t take place in Sin City. But many undercover sting operations take place, and these net numerous arrests.
Under NRS 201.354 , a person convicted for engaging in or soliciting prostitution in Nevada sustains a misdemeanor and the judge can send him/her to jail for as long as 6 months."

Seriously, is that what you want?

[Coupleerotic22]

Originally Posted by azcoupledr

The big surprise is the hostility from some in this forum. You would thing swingers would a more open mind. We are not offended, just surprised.

I don't think anyone has been hostile toward you. Cautionary, yes, and perhaps a bit dumbfounded that you are willing to take the chance with legal method not too far away. (Or with a bit more patience you could find a SF to play with, or work a deal with another couple for 3some swap.)

Also, it's not a typical swinging question since prostitution is not what most would call swinging. It's, well, prostitution, regardless of how many are involved or the reason.

Asking for advice on hiring a prostitute on a swingers site is kind of like asking marital advice on a young singles site, there is just not going to be a lot of practical experience to draw from. So most of the advice you will get is likely to be cautionary (it's not too safe, it's illegal), rather than "here's how".

I think most people on this forum are of the opinion that it is your life, live it like you want, but we don't really know what to tell you, other than be safe.

[bbarnsworth]

Originally Posted by azcoupledr

The big surprise is the hostility from some in this forum. You would thing swingers would a more open mind. We are not offended, just surprised.

I'm with Sweet tna. Further, you asked for advice. It's being given. Not liking the advice being given doesn't mean we are hostile to you. I don't make posts here to people asking for advice to be a yes men to their poor decisions.

My opinion, reject it if you like, is that engaging an illegal prostitute when legal avenues exist with considerably less risk of STDs all in the name of saving 2 hours of driving is just insanely stupid.

This isn't exactly the same topic, but it shares some common traits. Ever see the show "To Catch a Predator" with Chris Hansen on MSNBC? No? Have a look. All of the men caught in those sting operations thought they were dealing with a legit underage girl. Every last one of them got suckered in. So, I guess you're smarter than all those guys. You've done your research, you've talked to the escort on the phone, and you're just too smart to be caught in a sting operation.

You were advised of the consequences under Nevada law. Apparently a six month prison sentence for you and your wife. Just an inconvenience. Do you have kids at home? Do you think it would just be an inconvenience to them to have their parents in jail for a few months? How about your jobs? Do you think your jobs would be waiting for you when you got back home?

All of this crap can be avoided for the simple 'chore' of driving a total of two hours.

But, you're bound and determined to do this illegally. Have fun.

[Trace Ekies]

You come here and ask our advice and then find us "hostile" because you didn't get the answer you wanted.

Okay, here goes...

Hiring a prostitute in Las Vegas is a good idea.

Have a ball.

Trace

[bbarnsworth]

Had another thought about this. Feel free to be skeptical, since I've never had sex with a prostitute (propositioned a few times, but never took them up on it).

It strikes me as a very odd that a prostitute would agree, over the phone, to being willing to play with you for $$$. If she is so careful about security, I would think from her side that it would be a seriously bad idea to consent to illegal prostitution over the phone with a person(s) she's never met before.

I would think a 'real' (as in, not a cop, but illegal - as opposed to legal, in a brothel) prostitute would be a lot more cagey than that, most especially one who is experienced.

I'm sensing big red flags here.

[ALilOEverything]

This thread reminds me of an old poll. There is one couple who mentions a positive experience going that route. The percentages in the poll really surprised me but it is an old poll.

How many have used prostitutes?

What I want to evaluate is if you take out all the risks (std's, legal) is it really going to be the experience you want? I think it's a very different reality than finding a third who WANTS to be there vs. someone who's doing it because she's getting PAID. The fun of the lifestyle is finding others who WANT to be with you. They are excited and aroused at giving you pleasure, that is their DESIRE as well. Knowing the other person touching you desires you as much as you desire them is a huge component of what makes swinging as fun and intense as it is.

The FMF's I've had have been pretty incredible. I cannot imagine that paying someone to fill that other woman's shoes would have made it as wonderful at it was. At least from the perspective as a wife. I know my husband would feel the same because we've had some great talks about what we enjoy about the lifestyle and we're on the same page.

[fun4Ds]

Originally Posted by azcoupledr

Ms. AZdr and I have been together 5 years and have almost as long been talking about having a threesome with another girl. Of course finding a unicorn has been next to impossible, although we have had a few near misses that have only made us more eager. The Ms. and I make love 7 to 10 times a week, and if I even mention another girl going down on her, she cums immediately...and hard...Works for me too!

This I can understand, although I don't understand your limitations finding another female companion ? Could you expand on this ?

We have finally decided to enlist the services of a beautiful escort when we go to Las Vegas in several weeks. We found a beautiful, well reviewed escort online and have already scheduled an appointment. Since then, we have probably doubled our love making activity and the Ms. has been coming 3 to 4 times per session....just from the thought of Vegas.

So, here is the question. For those who have had threesomes the same way....any advice for us?

Well its obvious you have a small group of people who HAVE used this alternative route. Sure anyone could voice their opinion on why they haven't or wouldn't, thats easy enough.. I hate to be Bobby Bummer but dang, were all adults here. Prostitution IS the oldest profession known to mankind. The OP didn't say anything remotely close to finding some crack head on a corner and doing the dirty deed. I think they have done their homework, know the ramifications, and made their choice. The are asking for experience or advice in something.

The thing is, do people who choose different alternatives have the answers. I say NO. Unless you have known or been with a professional hooker how can anyone say ?

I ask the OP AZcouple to share their experience, every detail. Not because I don't have an imagination, I can guess the worst possible scenerio....I can also be open minded enough to think of the possible good outcome. So why not follow along with them ? It might be a chance for postiterity....

I don't promote illegal prostitution, however I don't chastise people on something I personally haven't tried. I speak from personal experience and advise through that experience. I also think prostitution should be legal, but this isn't about anyones opinion of what is right or wrong.

I think plain and simple the OP asked for experienced opinions and this has gone to almost persacution. I ask, to share the details for others to learn something who may follow this path and yes I believe do it legally to begin with. I don't think anyone broke any laws at this point. I have to wonder what peoples ideas might have been had the OP enlisted the legal opportunities and what all might have said then ? What if at this point they do take a legal route, what would the questions be ?

Trying to stay on topic... AZCOUPLE, you mentioned that this phone call put MrsAZ at ease. Could you tell me how ?