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Communication Without strong communication, you will find swinging can damage a relationship. These threads discuss issues related to communication.

 
 
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Old 08-30-2007, 04:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dear Mrs. of Couple who shall not be named:

As I know it will make absolutely no difference for me to say this to you, I shall just have to say it here.

Despite our various online communications and couple to couple in-person meeting, I guess I should not have assumed that when you and your husband got naked with me and my husband at our mutual friend's party, that you would be open to the idea of playing with both of us.

Under the assumption that all party-goers were interested in all other party-goers (especially since the question had been tossed out there just to be sure), I got jiggy with your husband thinking that my husband would get his turn during round two.

Instead, you fled to the porch after round one and would not return, nor would you state a reason for your sudden departure. As there were only three couples, this meant that the indoor action could not proceed and that I had screwed your husband under the false impression that you were interested in screwing mine too.

So, you and your husband used me and cheated my husband out of his fair turn. What a selfish thing to do. I really hope you both rot in Hades.

Sincerely yours,
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Old 08-30-2007, 05:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 08-30-2007, 06:09 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Dear Mrs. of Couple who shall not be named:

We have been in this situation, only from the other side. If the other wife had said this to me, this is how I might have responded.

Dear Ms unhappy camper,

I am sorry that our actions ruined your evening. Unfortunately, my husbands standards for playmates are somwhat lower than my own, especially after he's had a few beers (I don't drink). It's a problem we discussed at length on the drive home.

Of course, you bear some of the blame for this. Had you not been so busy jumping my husband as quickly as you did, you might have noticed that at no time was I feeling any attrraction towards yours.

When I agreed to enter this lifestyle, it was only with the understanding that at any time and in any circumstance, NO means NO! Please do not try to make ME feel guilty for exercising that right.

P.S. The reason I didn't explain my sudden departue was that I was trying to be polite. But if you really need a reason, how's this? ------

"Your husband was crass and clumsy in his attempt to seduce me, as well as having very poor personal hygiene (do I need to be more specific?) These are all qualities that I find very unnattractive in a man, especially one that is somewhat obese to begin with. I can understand your attraction to my husband, do you now understand why I am NOT attracted to yours?"


Maybe none of what I said applies to your situation, but it sure applied to mine.

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Old 08-30-2007, 06:09 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Dear Mrs. of Couple who shall not be named:

This is probably not the right time to mention this, but I don't understand the concept of being cheated here. I think If I were the one on the porch, I'd be there for a reason. And if I were the porch-dweller's spouse, I'd want to be supportive of their emotional needs. And if I were a fellow partier, maybe not knowing how to best help the porch dweller and after offering the best consolation I could, I think I'd be wanting to party with whomever was fun and willing even if that meant participating in an unplanned 3some (while hoping the porch dweller got things sorted out).

I've read how some folks put a lot of emphasis on "balance of play". I never saw the value there. I think I'd rather fuck someone that wants to fuck back without regard for "keeping score". Am I missing something????
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Old 08-30-2007, 06:09 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: Dear Mrs. of Couple who shall not be named:

I've spent many years in the deep south and several of them in Middle Georgia. I know that Southerners know two things right off the bat - how to be hospitable and their rights.

This individual, undoubtedly a transplant, trampled on both.

How dare she! Honor must be satisfied. Where do I sign up?

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Old 08-30-2007, 08:12 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think If I were the one on the porch, I'd be there for a reason. And if I were the porch-dweller's spouse, I'd want to be supportive of their emotional needs. And if I were a fellow partier, maybe not knowing how to best help the porch dweller and after offering the best consolation I could, I think I'd be wanting to party with whomever was fun and willing even if that meant participating in an unplanned 3some (while hoping the porch dweller got things sorted out).
I agree with you. If it had been a casual, anything/anybody goes party with a few more couples, then "play with who you want" would be fine. Where my problem comes in is that before the action started we actually agreed between us three couples that we were going to be playing as couples same room and we were in for a long evening where everybody would have ample opportunity to play with everybody else. Then after she got what she wanted, she disappeared on a smoke break and didn't come back. She didn't even tell her husband (or maybe she did and I just don't know it) that she wasn't going to come back. I just felt like if she was uncomfortable with the situation to begin with (which circumstances indicate tho I know you don't have all the details), she should have told somebody, rather than let the other two couples who were picturing her completing the circle get the wrong idea.
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Old 08-30-2007, 08:20 PM   #7 (permalink)
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she should have told somebody, rather than let the other two couples who were picturing her completing the circle get the wrong idea.
Was it a situation where everyone was taking turns?

That really is the part of this I am somewhat lost on. When we play with another couple, we are all four busy at the same time. What was going on that you had a chance to play with the husband and after that she was able to ditch? Did she have sex with the third husband? Did she specifically say she was going to play with yours?

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Old 08-30-2007, 08:40 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Was it a situation where everyone was taking turns? . .
When we play with another couple, we are all four busy at the same time.
Yes, the situation was the same as if it was a basic two-couple swap, except that there was three couples. The plan was to do one round swapping with other spouse #1, then one round swapping with other spouse #2, then all couples would have had a go with everyone else.

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What was going on that you had a chance to play with the husband and after that she was able to ditch? Did she have sex with the third husband? Did she specifically say she was going to play with yours?
She even actually took the lead in designating the order of swaps: that I would swap with her husband, while she got husband #2, and husband #2's wife was with my husband. Once everybody had played and cum from the first round, she went out for a smoke break and we waited and waited and waited.

She never actually said that she "I'm going to do your SO," but it was understood there would be at least two rounds and everybody would play with everyone else.

Looking back on the situation I think she was trying to give her hubby what he wanted without having to be with someone who she apparently didn't want to be with. She just chose a very wrong and deceptive way to do that.

Naive me - I actually was more interested in her, and obviously my SO was too. So I was more or less killing time playing around with her hubby for the greater benefit of playing with her and enjoying hubby's pleasure playing with her. I would not have played with her hubby on a MMF basis (neither would my SO), only with them on a couple swap basis. I feel like she took advantage of everybody involved and am even madder that she set me up to f her husband when she had no intentions of doing the same for mine.
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Default Re: Dear Mrs. of Couple who shall not be named:

Challenge her to a duel!! Of course I am only kidding. I think life is too short to dwell on this. Unfortunately, your feelings were hurt. Don't let this consume you. Learn from the experience...not everyone has the concept of "balance in play."
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We have been in this situation, only from the other side. If the other wife had said this to me, this is how I might have responded.

Dear Ms unhappy camper,

I am sorry that our actions ruined your evening. Unfortunately, my husbands standards for playmates are somwhat lower than my own, especially after he's had a few beers (I don't drink). It's a problem we discussed at length on the drive home.

Of course, you bear some of the blame for this. Had you not been so busy jumping my husband as quickly as you did, you might have noticed that at no time was I feeling any attrraction towards yours.

When I agreed to enter this lifestyle, it was only with the understanding that at any time and in any circumstance, NO means NO! Please do not try to make ME feel guilty for exercising that right.

P.S. The reason I didn't explain my sudden departue was that I was trying to be polite. But if you really need a reason, how's this? ------

"Your husband was crass and clumsy in his attempt to seduce me, as well as having very poor personal hygiene (do I need to be more specific?) These are all qualities that I find very unnattractive in a man, especially one that is somewhat obese to begin with. I can understand your attraction to my husband, do you now understand why I am NOT attracted to yours?"


Maybe none of what I said applies to your situation, but it sure applied to mine.
I'm elated you had the opportunity to vent...however...the revelence here is questionable...perhaps a new thread...
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She never actually said that she "I'm going to do your SO," but it was understood there would be at least two rounds and everybody would play with everyone else.
How was this communicated? If she never said that she was going to play with your SO, did she say that she was going to play with every man in the room? Did you understand that was the case or did she say something specific to indicate that this was the case?

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Dear Mrs. of Couple who shall not be named:

As I know it will make absolutely no difference for me to say this to you, I shall just have to say it here.

Despite our various online communications and couple to couple in-person meeting, I guess I should not have assumed that when you and your husband got naked with me and my husband at our mutual friend's party, that you would be open to the idea of playing with both of us.

Under the assumption that all party-goers were interested in all other party-goers (especially since the question had been tossed out there just to be sure), I got jiggy with your husband thinking that my husband would get his turn during round two.

Instead, you fled to the porch after round one and would not return, nor would you state a reason for your sudden departure. As there were only three couples, this meant that the indoor action could not proceed and that I had screwed your husband under the false impression that you were interested in screwing mine too.

So, you and your husband used me and cheated my husband out of his fair turn. What a selfish thing to do. I really hope you both rot in Hades.

Sincerely yours,
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Am I wrong here, or are you addressing another member of this board who you know will probably read this thread? To me it seems you are talking to someone in your post that will more than likely read this thread and you'll both know Exactly what you're talking about.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, or right with that, I'm just wondering.

Then again I could be totaly off the mark. My average score is 50/50 on guessing (Of course I may be a bit bias in my favor on that number )
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Hmmmmm...let's see....three couples, and the dynamics didn't work out to everyone's liking.
Now, that could never happen in our "perfect" swinging world...
But, if it did...and I found myself taking an "extended" smoke break...pretty sure I'd take the "next in line for my services" with me and explain the situation...

Now, maybe I didn't, but should have. Next thing I know some Georgian Belle is reprimanding me in front of God and everyone...real friggin' nice, people.
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Ok, now I'm totaly confused

Playinginmacon is from Ga.

Spectra is in Ohio

Numb is also in Ohio (Which may toatly be irrelevant, except for the fact that spectra quoted Numb in her post)

So I'm left wondering if Spectra was talking to playininginmacon or Numb? Or neither?

Spectra, are you the other half of the couple playinginmacon are talking about? She said they got together with the other couple (You?) at a mutual friends place. But you are in Ohio and she is in Georgia.

Yet you and Numb are both in Ohio, but it sounded like you were addressing playinginmacon (The Georgian Belle comment).

See....I told you I was confused..... Maybe I got it ALL wrong and no one in this thread is connected at all.....
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Oh boy are you confused....
Neither would be the correct answer...as in...I was making a general comment directed at those who would assume that what we pursue here is "cut & dried".

I do not know "numb", or anyone in Macon, for cryin' out loud...
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