Is Swinging Biblical? If so, let's endorse a hott new forum and consistantly prove it

[wisevirgin]

In 2008, I have started a new book about the Truth of Sex and Swinging found within the Bible, backed with scriptures and lots of research.

I can honestly tell you, Swinging IS ENDORSED with plenty of scriptures to prove it!

It will take me 7 years to complete this book. The book will written as we go along.

This is a request for a new forum.

I am ready for the long haul to prove this, along with other leading scholars and writers working with me; granted, if enough interest prods this along.

What I am requesting is, if enough interest manifests itself, this will be Swingersboard newest and hottest forum. Are you ready, I am if you are too.

How about it? Are we ready, as swingers, to show the Christian World with plenty of scriptures that swinging and the whole polyamory relationships are in fact endorsed in the Bible?

This may be controversial, but when I bring the right people in, this will avalanche with tons of research and published authors that have all ready started tackled this subject.

Again the forum will prove that Swinging is Biblical and provable with scriptures!

The challenge is on! This request is real!

Are you ready for posts?

What are your questions?

What in the scriptures seem to stand out to you?

Ready to participate?

Is there enough interest?


Wisevirgin

[JustAskJulie]

As I said when you PMed me regarding this, in general I do not think there has been enough interest in topics related to swinging and religion to warrant such a forum here. There are other sites - http://www.liberatedchristians.org for example that focus strictly on that subject.


In general, pretty much every thread we've ever had related to swinging went along the lines of ... "I was raised religious, so how do I get past that..." or "how do you merge your religious beliefs with acceptance of swinging". One of these two questions comes up every few months. You will find the bulk of those threads in the "Religion" archive.

I appreciate your interest in the site and wanting to add to it, however I do find it odd that these are your very first posts here.... rather than your taking the time to try to get involved and get to know the general population first.

[wisevirgin]

The site you are referring to about Liberated Christians (out of Pheonix), for years, has ceased their forums and popular discussions on the scriptures due to extreme pressure of the unlearned and uneducated (poor wisdom) religious bunch that care more about the tribalistic team spirit AGAINST swinging, then having an open mind to deep biblical truths. Yes, the pre-cursor of sexual truths found on Libchrist.com is there.

However, if you have dig to find the forums by Liberated Christians, you will find them here:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/libchrist/messages

... And, NONE of their forums give the depth, dedication and intelligental liberty FROM Biblical Swingers teaching new Swingers. In other words, what you find there are, the Religious teaching new Believers about deeper biblical topics with 'poor wisdom' of the sexual truths of the Bible. To be honest, the deep sexual truths as to exactly why swinging is biblical, is seperate from anything you can find out there. Further research on the web shows there is not one Christian Swingers Chat Room in existance presently.

'There is nothing new under the sun', the bible says, but Acts talks of the 'New Doctorine' that causes revival. The personality of what I want to do here, can not manifest itself, unless the liberty is available--and presently, no forum exists on the web, period! This is a new and seperate thing here.

As you recommend, I will search the Religion archives.

Richard

PS I had posted on the forums here before, but that was years ago from a different email account registered.

[wisevirgin]

Currently, there are NO posts in the Swingerboard.com's "RELIGION" (Archived) FORUM

Religion - The Swingers Board

[partyof2ormore]

In my experience, you can justify just about anything with the bible...especially if you don't mind taking things out of context.

Mass murder, wife beating, slaves, incest, infanticide, rape, you name it, it's in there.

I'm not making a judgment about the bible in any manner. There is plenty of good in there as well. I'm just saying that I don't personally think one needs to justify themselves by referencing excerpts from an old book. That just seems silly to me (especially since it sounds like you made your decision BEFORE reading the required text).

J

[imapolygirl]

Polyamorous relationships and swinging can be and mostly are two very different things. I would respectfully request that you not lump them together as if they are one and the same. Neither one is better than the other, but generally speaking, where swinging is something couples do together in settings where recreational sex is the focused, polyamorists tend to focus on relationship first and are into multiple romantic relationships. Most aren't into recreational sex at all.

Thanks for considering.

[cupl4fun]

I graduated seminary and have recently studied the OT an NT extensively plus read three scholarly books on the subject of sex in the scriptures. While there is not much to anything actually against swinging, you will be hard pressed to find scriptures that "support" swinging (i guess if you wanted to twist the over all meaning you could make scriptures say anything). But scripture is pro nudity, pro polygamy, and pro sex. What would be easy to do though is to prove that swinging is not unbiblical. The little that is there (in scripture) which seems to be against sex outside of marriage comes from mistranslated Koine (NT) Greek words. Just my two cents. I would be happy to discuss this more though. You or anyone can PM me if you like.

[TNT]

Originally Posted by wisevirgin

How about it? Are we ready, as swingers, to show the Christian World with plenty of scriptures that swinging and the whole polyamory relationships are in fact endorsed in the Bible?

Honestly...for myself, I don't feel I have anything to prove to the Christian World...it makes no difference to me if swinging is endorsed by the Bible or not. It will make no difference in my decision where swinging is concerned.



Teresa

[VegasLee]

The Church and its followers have no real interest in Swinging so I personally see no need to try to change their way of thinking.

They are happy, I am happy and that is all that really matters.

I don't desire them to change my way of thinking and I know they have no desire in me trying to change their way of thinking so what is the purpose?

If you poke a stick at a dog long enough, even a nice dog he is going to bite you someday.

[cupl4fun]

"If you poke a stick at a dog long enough, even a nice dog he is going to bite you someday."

Gotta agree with Lee here. Who are you trying to convince? Most religious people don't want to honestly look at their beliefs (believe me I tried) you'll only piss a lot of people off. If your trying to write for swingers, well you're mostly preaching to the choir (bad analogy?). If your looking for your own interests then best of luck, but don't try to push people it just doesn't work.

[Chris&Amelia]

Agreed. They have their beliefs. I have mine. I have serious doubts that we will be able to convince them otherwise.

For good or for bad, the wrath of the "Moral Majority" (or whatever you want to call it) can be quite an awesome force to behold if provoked. Why bring that down our ourselves?

As Lee said, they have their beliefs, and they are happy in them. If I go challenging what they believe and go telling them that they're wrong, what better am I from the person who derides me? I am no more better to judge them as they are to judge me.

[Chicup]

There is nothing wrong with writing a book about the bible from the point of view that swinging is endorsed, I'm sure such a thing would help some people.

For me personally it doesn't matter as I don't hold the Bible to be an authority on anything.

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by wisevirgin

Currently, there are NO posts in the Swingerboard.com's "RELIGION" (Archived) FORUM

Religion - The Swingers Board

Actually there are 23 threads in that archive, I'm not sure why the archive threads are not showing up properly (and it's not just that forum).

[MapleSwingers]

We also don't think there will be much interest in this kind of forum...let a lone an entire book on the subject!?! However, this is a good time for us to join this forum and make our first post since we actually have something to add. A little while ago we wrote an article about swinging and religion here:

Liberated Christians: Promoting Intimacy and Other-Centered Sexuality

Hope this helps...

[JustAskJulie]

I think Mr Wise Virgin took the wrong tack at what he was hoping to accomplish here. He had PMed me previously requesting a forum be added for discussion of swinging and religion. I advised him to post his request here to get an idea for how others might feel about such a forum and to see if perhaps there was more of a "demand" for it than I thought... based on the threads we have seen here (which really are not many in the scheme of things).

Unfortunately, he approached the "request" much differently here in this forum than he did in his PM and WiseVirgin, it appears that you came off with much more of an agenda in your post here than you did in your PM to me (as if your agenda is more related to your book idea than to enhancing this site.... as site which until now you have taken no interest in being involved in).

I think, and I could be wrong, from what WiseVirgin PMed me that his thought is not to "convince" the religious people but to give an outlet to those who are already religious but who have grown to accept that swinging is ok by their interpretation of the Bible. It's interesting that this came up this week as we were just looking through local groups on Swing Lifestyle in the last couple of days and ran across a "Liberated Christians" group in our area (hosted by another member of this board actually) and we thought it was "interesting" to say the least. We are not religious by any extent of the word (just the opposite really) and I have to say we thought it a bit odd that a swinger group was getting together for "Bible studies". It seems to me that WiseVirgin is wanting something similiar to be added here.... a forum where those who are "liberated christians" can share their thoughts on the Bible and have online bible studies of sorts, etc.

Definately not my thing.... but as with anything if enough people are interested, I'm open to it. That said, I have not seen that interest displayed on THIS site through the posts that have been made here (in general), which was why I invited him to post his request in the Comment Box to see if perhaps there was some interest I had missed.