Is Swinging Biblical? If so, let's endorse a hott new forum and consistantly prove it

[two4youinswva]

Originally Posted by Chicup

There is nothing wrong with writing a book about the bible from the point of view that swinging is endorsed, I'm sure such a thing would help some people.

I'll agree with Chicup on this point. There have been those on the board that have had at least some type of personal difficulty resolving their faith and swinging. Anything that may help them navigate this course can't be too bad.

For me personally it doesn't matter as I don't hold the Bible to be an authority on anything.

Same here. However, I would be interested on a purely intellectual basis to see what can be interpreted as an endorsement.

[MapleSwingers]

Originally Posted by two4youinswva

...I would be interested on a purely intellectual basis to see what can be interpreted as an endorsement.

Grand idea! Hmmm, does anyone here read Hebrew so that we can get an accurate interpretation?

[two4youinswva]

Originally Posted by MapleSwingers

Grand idea! Hmmm, does anyone here read Hebrew so that we can get an accurate interpretation?

Or Greek, depending on the testament.

This is a pretty diverse and educated group. Wouldn't be surprised if there was someone on here trained in the classics.

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by MapleSwingers

but am wondering if there is some kind of meaning behind the number 7 in religious terms?

I thought it was because he needed a source for his material and it would take him 7 years to come up with the info he needs... but you may be onto something with the Number 7 .. I believe that is the number of God.... 7 Days to create the world and all.

[cupl4fun]

I do have some training in Koine (NT) Greek took 4 semesters worth in college. There just aren't any scriptures that can be seen as supporting swinging. Not without doing some mental gymnastics like "King David had multiple wives and concubines and God and His prophets never said anything about it. In fact God says through the prophet Nathan that he would've given David more wives if he had wanted them. Therefore God doesn't really care if people have lots of sex cause David did." But that's what this book would be.
Interestingly though all the scriptures which seem to be against swinging are gross mistranslations propagated by the Church. For example the word the church translates as "fornication" is the Greek word "porneia" which actually means "unlawful or immoral sex". Most likely meaning sex forbidden in Leviticus in this context meaning sex with animals, incest, temple prostitution, and rape to name most of them. But not meaning sex before marriage, and definitely not meaning consenting sex between adults.

I don't know any Hebrew though. Sorry Maple swingers.

[MapleSwingers]

cupl4fun - truth be told I had zero interest in this subject but after reading your short little intro I find myself wanting more!!! Being quite ignorant on this subject matter I learned a few things from your short text...please if you will sir, may I have some more?

[cupl4fun]

"cupl4fun - truth be told I had zero interest in this subject but after reading your short little intro I find myself wanting more!!! Being quite ignorant on this subject matter I learned a few things from your short text...please if you will sir, may I have some more?"

Well I've actually got lot's more info, but wouldn't know exactly where to start. If you have specific questions I could probably answer most of those. A few interesting things though; the first command God ever gave was to have sex Gen. 1:28. Plus the story says God created them to be nude and that clothing was a result of the fall and man's attempt to hide from God. By the scriptures one could very persuasively argue that we were meant to be nude. Not things you'll here at most churches.

[MapleSwingers]

Originally Posted by cupl4fun

"cupl4fun - If you have specific questions I could probably answer most of those.

Alrighty then, how about the most obvious question (I had to google this to find out what it was btw) - "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's."

Well, my neighbour has a hot wife and they know we are swingers and well truth be told as soon as the opportunity comes up I will not only covet her but make here scream my name while reaching orgasmic levels she's never....oh sorry, I digress. What's the deal on this commandment then?

[cupl4fun]

The command not to covet is a command to keep people from stealing from each other. The word covet doesn't mean to look at a hot woman and want to have sex with her. It means a desire to have for ones own; to possess. In other words. Don't sit around thinking about stealing your neighbor's wife from him, or his cow, or chicken. This is not a command dealing with sex at all. Or it would be saying don't want to have sex with your neighbors wife, or his cow, or his chicken. Obviously not the true meaning.

[wisevirgin]

I agree with what Ownerspet wrote, "And what better way to not feel guilty about going against a set of life guidelines than to find a way to justify going against the guidelines with the actual text of the handbook itself."

The Handbook (the Bible) is in a language all by itself, to use it, is like speaking to millions of the churchy swingers out there that will cum out of the closet. When in Rome, speak as the Romans do.

But if SB Religion forum is dead and non-postable,

what good soil do I have to seed into? It's a shame to see all this effort for such a simple request. Tisk, tisk-- 'Oh Ye of little faith.'

Q: Screminggood wrote, "My question, between this post and his other post that states he's here to "fix marriages," is whether this person is trying to get our stories for his book? Or trying to fix his own marriage?"

A: My marriage does not need fixed Brother. I have endured much trials and persecution living for the cause by being a living example. Last Fall, my ex-wife moved back in to be with me and is to this day she is still married to my ex-co-worker. He used NSA miltary-trained mind control in his attempts to try to destroy me but couldnt and I had to resort to military connections to counteract and prove my innocence. While violating a court order, I paid for our divorce and put her away just so this ex-best-friend (her husband-to-be) could qualify for Medicaid to save his life from a deadly cancer. My Ex-wife and I have had plenty of closure as if it never happened. BTW, I was cleared of all ficticous
charges and this ordeal had opened a much higher calling, one that has given me favor with some of the greatest minds in the music and arts business.

I am not interested in stories, I interested in sharing and teaming with other great minds that are willing to work with me otherwise this forum with die without a vision. It is apparent, no one else had seen the vision but Brother Dave (davephx), Cupl4fun and I. I see that MapleSwingers is catching on.

Q: MapleSwingers wrote, "How exactly does a person calculate that it will take 7 years to write such a book?"

A: I can answer that easily based on the fact that each of my other books took seven years a piece with the exception of my eCommerce book. This writing would be my fifth book. I have written on deeper biblical truths that if I were to mention them here, you
would not believe such depth of content exists biblically for such. Yet time after time, no one, I repeat no one, has been able to rebuked my writings openly or dared too. I prove each point with at least three scriptures, if not, I would look as though I would
have spoken with poor wisdom. I do, in fact, do my homework most analytically as I would repair a computer.

Q: Two4youinswa wrote, "...However, I would be interested on a purely intellectual basis to see what can be interpreted as an endorsement."

A: AMEN!

Q: MapleSwingers asked, "does anyone here read Hebrew so that we can get an accurate interpretation?"

A: I used many Greek and Hebrew interpretations in my writings over the years.

Q: JustAskJulie spoke, "I thought it was because he needed a source for his material and it would take him 7 years to come up with the info he needs... but you may be onto something ..."

A: The number 7 means perfection. If you had personally asked for my books to be mailed to you, you would say the same, 'perfect.'

LMAO, I see the request if becoming off topic with the first real question of hunger by MapleSwingers, "Alrighty then, how about the most obvious question (I had to google this to find out what it was btw) - 'Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's.'"

MapleSwingers writes, "please if you will sir, may I have some more?"

Julie, let me leave you with these two Commandments of the bible translated...

1) "Love this religious forum with all thy heart/mind/soul"

and

2) "Treat others with a forum as you also have your own forum".


Let my people GO (express themselves), that is!

Richard

[rpu3]

But if SB Religion forum is dead and non-postable,

what good soil do I have to seed into? It's a shame to see all this effort for such a simple request. Tisk, tisk-- 'Oh Ye of little faith.'

You have a bunch of other forums you can post in, including The Cafe and General Swingers, to name two. Why not carry your conversations out there, and see if it generates enough conversation to support its own forum on this Board in the future? Why do you need your own separate forum right this minute? One thread does not equal justification for a forum.

Tisk tisking and handing down "commandments" to Julie for her decision on HER Board that is operated on her time and her money is quite unnecessary, among other things. If it's that necessary to you, maybe you should start your own vBulletin board on your own domain and handle it with your time and your money.

[Spoomonkey]

Originally Posted by wisevirgin

He used NSA miltary-trained mind control in his attempts to try to destroy me but couldnt and I had to resort to military connections to counteract and prove my innocence.

I'll be honest - this sort of thing makes you sound barking mad. Personally, I love a good conspiracy theory but as an introduction to your academic qualifications, it does put you against the eight ball.

The topic has been discussed ad nauseam in the archived forums and does come up periodically in other forums. You are welcome to post your research questions in general swinging, the cafe or where ever your heart desires, as rpu3 said. However, I would have to question the validity of any researcher who uses an internet forum as one of their resources.

I think this is one of the best resources available for swingers, but what makes it so good for people with questions about the lifestyle makes it practically useless for someone doing the amount of research that you state you do with each book. You will find tons of anecdotes about the real experiences of real swingers, but you'll find very little in the way of hard evidence and scientific findings. In fact, the only place you'll find that is in the "cut and past" posts of the STD forums.

What would you hope to get from us? What would be the purpose of dedicating an entire forum to the research for your book?

It is important for many folks to work through the issues of their faith when they choose to swing. It is a very sensitive subject. However, to be honest, christian swingers are the same as regular swingers - they aren't diving into the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic (the bible's "other" language) to reach their conclusions - they are simply looking for something that makes them feel better about their decisions.

You aren't likely to find "three verses" apiece to support those very personal, subjective choices.

Spoomonkey

[cupl4fun]

Because of my past work in the church and studies I do have some expertise in what judeo-christian scriptures really say about sex, but please don't misunderstand me; I'm not "on board" with wisevirgin and I'm definitely not interested in converting anyone (not that I've been accused of this). I don't think there needs to be a place for him to "sow his seed." Let him post wherever like rpu3 said and people can do what they want with his posts. The only reason I shared the little I did is because I thought it might help some people which is what I believe in. After reading his last post I just wanted to put some distance between us, but I don't have that many ten foot poles.

[MapleSwingers]

Originally Posted by rpu3

Tisk tisking and handing down "commandments" to Julie for her decision on HER Board that is operated on her time and her money is quite unnecessary, among other things. If it's that necessary to you, maybe you should start your own vBulletin board on your own domain and handle it with your time and your money.

Sorry, but i am going to go off-topic for a second and respectively disagree with the statment made above. If things were to actually operate that way, then why bother having a public forum to post in anyway? No, everyone who disagrees should not open their own forum, ludicrous idea! That's what makes a forum work, good, bad, silly and plain old disagreements. Being a non american I won't quote the 'freedom of speech' that you are all so gung-ho on, but the same should apply to a forum...as long as respect is maintained then someone should be able to post an opinion even if it's to tell the owner of such a forum what your opinion is, otherwise, why bother posting if the owner is to be the be all and end all of all posts and opinions.

my .02 watts

[cplnuswing]

Originally Posted by MapleSwingers

If things were to actually operate that way, then why bother having a public forum to post in anyway? No, everyone who disagrees should not open their own forum, ludicrous idea!

It's not a freedom of speech issue at all. What is being said is there are already other venues aka forums (Cafe, General Swingers) on THIS message board where the topic CAN be discussed for those who are interested in participating. OP is free to post on the topic following the rules of the board just like other posters posting on their other topics.

But, there simply hasn't been enough interest in the subject to warrant giving it it's own forum on this board. If the OP feels there is a huge unmet need out there, then he should open his own board dedicated to the subject and gather the information he is after.