Is Swinging Biblical? If so, let's endorse a hott new forum and consistantly prove it

[cupl4fun]

As far as that goes Julie we (Mr. and Mrs. Cupl ) don't really need a forum like that, but couldn't he just do that under the religion forum? We've dealt with our issues about those things but would be more than willing to help anyone who might be struggling with those questions and share what we've learned.

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by cupl4fun

As far as that goes Julie we (Mr. and Mrs. Cupl ) don't really need a forum like that, but couldn't he just do that under the religion forum? We've dealt with our issues about those things but would be more than willing to help anyone who might be struggling with those questions and share what we've learned.

Like I said personally I don't see a need for such a forum (or it would already exist). I suggested to him that he post his request here (rather than send it to me privately to see if others shared his thoughts... unfortunately, I don't think he approached his question/request as well in this thread as he did to me personally, since he spent more time focusing on his planned book than anything else).

The "religion" subforum in the archives is not actually a forum but an archive that does not allow new posts. As with all of the archive sub-forums, old posts are simply moved there after they have died (still trying to track down why said old posts are not showing up correctly).

[JustMrJ]

Did anyone else but me notice the oxymoron "... research on the web ..."

[davephx]

The correct link is
Liberated Christians Polyamory, Swing, Biblical, Sybian Cyber Center
Liberated Christians: Promoting Intimacy and Other-Centered Sexuality

The bible doesn't say a word about swinging. But there was nothing wrong with many wives, concubines and "common" prostitutes (not those in the Temples worshiping the futility gods - idolatry was the sin not sex or being a prostitute)

Marriage at age 12 was based usually on a family deal. Sometimes the bride and groom first met on their wedding day.

A married man could not commit adultery as long as the "other women" was single, not owned by another man. Adultery was by definition a violation of a husbands rights over his wives or concubines.

But if the husband gave permission nothing wrong. Men owned their women just as their ox's etc. This was cultural not from God but never wrong.

Today women have the same right to sexual pleasure and variety that men have always had. In biblical times men didn't need swinging since they could have as many wives and concubines and common prostitutes as they wished. One exception was the elders of the Church's of Timothy and Titus.

If you read my background section, I started out about as traditional, fundamental Christian as you can get from Bible Study Fellowship, Christian Business Men's Committee, even a council with Billy Graham (Lived in Minneapolis there headquarters city).

I started out to prove my conservative, traditional beliefs true vs more liberal ideas. But after years of seriously study and prayer I had to admit I was wrong. That is why I have been so outspoken on the biblical issues.

Nothing I share is just my ideas. Zillions of theologians are pointing out this truth. We have a very extensive book section for those wishing to seriously study the issue and not just take the world from the minister preaching the sins of sex on Sunday:
Recommended Resources

Over the years we we get so many e-mails saying how it helped overcome guilt from Christian backgrounds for being honest about their desires for sexual variety.

In addition even if your not Christian, many in our culture are sex negatively effected by the general society "morals" and we hear from many non Christians who were also helped in their "morality" decisions.

[davephx]

Originally Posted by VegasLee

The Church and its followers have no real interest in Swinging

I disagree.

I led the Phoenix Couples Group for 3-years with 350 members. About 90% were Christians or were interested because of the Christian aspects. As they often expressed they appreciated a place they could talk about issues that they can't discuss with their Church friends. We were not a traditional swing club. Yes we had parties, sex, an infamous "massage garage of one great older couple host), as well as workshop/discussions on communications, intimacy, massage and many other issues. And I had my Sybian machine (and still do)

When I was a speaker at Lifestyles "Swinging Christians not a biblical Conflict" zillions of Christians came out of their closet.

It is interesting since in polyamory there seem to be fewer Christians and more pagen or "new age" types. In my expereince swinging as far more a percentage of Christians.

My personal interest is more in "love for the moment' relationships and more high touch physical intimacy that just pure physical sex. Have ideas for sharing these ideas if anyone is interested at lovetouch.info but haven't found the right partner/s yet.

But while polyamory fits more my interest in real relationships I have no interest in group living etc.

Bottom line is you would be surprised how many Christians are in swinging. IN fact LOTS of ministers have spoken out for example:

The "Wicked-For-A- Week" Adventure
Of A Modern Evangelical Pastor
Letters from Christians
Letters From Ministers
at Christians In Responsbile Non-monogamy

[nice_cpl_n_bama]

Hi Julie,
Thanks for noticing our little group on SLS. We don't really use the SLS group much any more because the post length limit is annoying and makes it hard to post any in depth study. We launched a yahoo group version last year that works much better.
I think questions of sexuality are of utmost importance within the Christian world.
At the end of the Dark Ages the church began a reformation and began to shed some of the old doctrines that were actually introduced in the old Roman Empire days and afterward when the Catholic church was trying to take over the world. This reformation has been slowly advancing since the days of Martin Luthor.
I believe the next phase of the Christian Reformation will shed the old erronous sex based morality and replace it with the system that Jesus actually taught. Jesus taught a system of morality based on love, rather than law. If you are interested in the topic I'd highly recommend the book "The Royal Law of Liberty" by Darwin Chandler.
In the question of whether a subforum on the topic is nessesary here, I don't know. The only thing I'd say is that there are many of us who hold these beliefs and we have had good luck using yahoo groups as a forum to teach and fellowship.
Have fun y'all
Jeff and Laurie

Please excuse my awful spelling. My PDA lacks spell check

[screaminggood]

I see what Julie wrote, but it's not what the orginal poster wrote. He conveyed that he's writing a book, not disseminating his findings. My question, between this post and his other post that states he's here to "fix marriages," is whether this person is trying to get our stories for his book? Or trying to fix his own marriage?

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by screaminggood

I see what Julie wrote, but it's not what the orginal poster wrote. He conveyed that he's writing a book, not disseminating his findings. My question, between this post and his other post that states he's here to "fix marriages," is whether this person is trying to get our stories for his book? Or trying to fix his own marriage?

That was what his post here had me wondering. As I said, his post here was very different from what he originally PMed me. The original PM did not come off with an agenda (just a request)... after reading the post here I was left wondering the same thing (since it's going to take him 7 years to write this book, then perhaps he's still in need of material and thinking such a forum would be a good source).

[sweet_tna]

If it ain't broke don't fix it. We already have a religion forum on SB. Why can't the OP just post a new thread in that forum? It seems simple enough to ME . . .

(And no, I wouldn't be reading the new thread/forum if added).

=)

[ratimadan]

We do not understand why we need the Bible to support the swinging lifestyle which is essentially a social activity indulged in by couples of their own free will. Here the Bible is totally irrelevant whatever it's relevance might be for one's ethical and spiritual life. Engaging in and enjoying sex with someone else's spouse, where both couples are agreeable, is certainly not unethical. The Bible is of no help here either..

Then there is Tantra which supports sexual activities including intercourse as divine. For most of us lifestylers Tantra is poerhaps more relevant.

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by sweet_tna

If it ain't broke don't fix it. We already have a religion forum on SB. Why can't the OP just post a new thread in that forum? It seems simple enough to ME . . .

(And no, I wouldn't be reading the new thread/forum if added).

=)

as posted previously, we DO NOT have a religion forum on the Swingers Board. We have a religion ARCHIVE. New posts are not alllowed in that forum, old threads on said topic are sent there to die (just as with all archive forums).

Not saying the idea of having a forum is a good idea, just want to make sure people have the correct info.

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by wisevirgin

Currently, there are NO posts in the Swingerboard.com's "RELIGION" (Archived) FORUM

Religion - The Swingers Board

It has been fixed.

[Chris&Amelia]

I'm not adverse to a "Religion and Swinging" forum, but I don't see either one of us being very active participants in it. You know what they say... don't discuss religion and politics with your friends if you want to keep them as your friends.

Especially since I'll be right in any matter.

(I kid! I kid!)

[ownerspet]

Originally Posted by ratimadan

We do not understand why we need the Bible to support the swinging lifestyle which is essentially a social activity indulged in by couples of their own free will. Here the Bible is totally irrelevant whatever it's relevance might be for one's ethical and spiritual life.

I agree that we don't need to justify the swinging lifestyle with a religous book.

However, I feel that some people who have not been able to break out of norms which have been installed in them since a young age by society in general (which often began with their parents from day one); find it difficult to avoid guilt of going against what they have been told their entire lives. Because afterall, if you were told it for so long, how could it be wrong.

And what better way to not feel guilty about going against a set of life guidelines than to find a way to justify going against the guidelines with the actual text of the handbook itself.

Although I have to say that I don't justify swinging by refering to what I consider to be a religous handbook. I just don't accept christianity as fact.

[MapleSwingers]

How exactly does a person calculate that it will take 7 years to write such a book? I'm not religious myself (I follow science fact, but leave that discussion for another thread), but am wondering if there is some kind of meaning behind the number 7 in religious terms?