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[remox]

I'd appreciate any rational reasoning here.

Unfortunately, I don't think you will find any. Predjudice is usually based on fear. Fear is rarely rational.

Social conditioning seems to me to be a large factor. It is not "manly" to be intimate, particularly in a public setting. Therefore, 2 men being intimate is doubly shaming.
Furthermore, "Sex is Dirty" and your "Butt is Dirty" so any king of Butt Sex is twice dirty.

So simple math dictates;

Shaming X 2 = Bad
Dirty X 2 = Taboo
Bad + Taboo = Completely Forbidden

Misinformation about the transmission of HIV and other STD's is also common. This is particularly alarming when it comes from "experts" in the field.

Without using names here are some glaring examples.

The club I run sponsored a Swing Positive Radio Talk Show the host of which is a licensed psyclogist or therapist (I don't remember which). As one of the Sponsors we were invited onto the show to discuss topics briefly each program. During one such discussion it came up that we allowed male to male activities. After a long and very audible gasp from the host, the host asked "What about Aids?" . Our response dealt with the use of latex barriers for the prevention of any disease.

In a discussion with the author of a well received book (that has been published in more than 1 edition) about the swing lifestyle, the same topic came up. He too was appalled that we would allow such a thing. I suppose I shouldn't have been suprised, in his book he basically states that the use of condoms is essentially the same as accusing the other party of being unclean and having an STD.

A lifestyle organization publication has a section concerning STD's and thier effect on the lifestyle. While it rightly talks about media hype and the panic effects that they can cause, they seem to imply that HIV can only be contracted through receptive anal sex with a man who may or may not also be an IV drug user.

On the private message board of the directors of a different lifestyle organization, there was a heated discussion about the moral and ethical obligations of the organization in regards to whether member businesses could discriminate based on sexual orientation. The organization already forbade discrimination for appearance, race, religion etc... The discussion was eventually tabled by the Chairman and has never been finished.

Because the club that I run allows male /male sexual activity when asked about our club one of my competitors was telling their patrons we were a "gay" club.

I wish that there were well thought out reasons for this double-standard. Rational arguments would be welcome.

There are 2 bright spots for the future though.

Swinging is becoming more open. BDSM has traditionally been shunned in much the same way. Now there are clubs and conventions that allow BDSM and the number is growing (albeit slowly). If the attitude on BDSM can change perhaps there is hope.

Also, there is a trend that I am seeing more of in Porn. Specifically , it involves 2 men penetrating the same orrifice of a woman. Consequently, the men not only touch (Gasp!) but their penises come in contact (add horror stricken lfacial expression). There does not seem to be a lot of public outcry about this behaviour, other than the traditional"degrading to women stuff".

It has been many times proved that repeated exposure will eventually cause acceptance in most people. I hold out hope.

[IndyGirl2004]

To Remox, and to all who responded, thank you. It really does seem that fear and ignorance is a driving force, if you will, to the double standards regarding male bisexuality. I agree with the statement that the more exposure to a certain situation, the more acceptable it will become in time (hopefully).

As far as disease goes, there is no guarantee for anyone that any sexual encounter will be "safe". If a person is infected, be it a female or a male, then anyone that person has sex with is at risk. That's just a fact. Gender doesn't matter. Anyone who doesn't realize this is living in a fool's paradise. Sooooooo if you want to vary your partners, the best you can do is to know the risks, take precautions and hope you pick partners who are as truthful and conscientious as you. Then, you have fun and enjoy life!