Why the Double Standard?

[Greg & Sheryl]

Originally Posted by ourrockstarlife

Worldwide, the incidence of HIV infection is reflected in heterosexuals at 85%

In the United States, 31% of cases in heteros and 42% in homosexuals

If you are speaking CDC, a US department, than YES the incidence of HIV infection is higher for homosexuals, BUT NOT BY MUCH.

Worldwide, the infection is simply passed through unprotected sex, and is more prevelant in heterosexuals.

You can't hide homophobia behind a disease, especially one that is NOT a gay disease anymore.

Please forgive us for being ugly Americans, but we're not really concerned about what the situation supposedly is outside of the United States. In reference to the CDC figures we pointed out, just under one-third of the total HIV/AIDS cases in the US were transsmitted via high-risk heterosexual contact, meaning that the patient's sexual partner was either an IV drug user or was a man that has sex with other men. This tells us that if you are a heterosexual in America, also long as you avoid having sex with people in these high-risk groups, your chances of catching HIV are very remote.

The primary transmission agents for HIV are blood and semen. Because women don't have semen, unless there is blood involved, it's very difficult for women to pass the virus to men. Most heterosexual infections occur when the man becomes infected via the aforementioned high-risk activities, then passes on the virus to a female partner via his infected semen. We don't use this to justify homophobia; we use it to justfy why we don't have sex with bisexual men. It's risky enough having sex with multiple partners in this lifestyle, so why should we increase that risk by adding male-on-male activity to it?

[ANGEDKY(mr)]

Global sex, use global stats

USA sex, use US (CDC?) stats

regional/state(s)sex, use regional stats



Regional sex, use global stats to make your case--NOT

Don't you think the African Nations plight changes things? Which, by the way, have NOTHING to do with the stats of how AIDS are transmitted in Smallville, NE.

[SIR_DRAGONFIRE5]

Well once again the issue of a double standard rises. I believe over the years it's more acceptable for men than it used to be, but has a very long way to go! It's a double standard by definition than most other double standard issues. I feel in my experiences it's totally more acceptable & expect when it comes to bi-females, especialy in Ca. for sure! I've heard men & women state it's more erotic for bi-females, not erotic for bi-males,

[Malachista]

The Internet may be serious business, but the Internet is also for porn

The moment I'm typing this there are 282 (mostly female) persons interrested in reading and/or writing erotic stories with Batman and the Joker sucking off each other - They never use a condom but they don't get HIV, but we are not sure if this is due to them being superheros or fictional characters.
(batmanjoker - Community Info)

On the other hand there are 465 (mostly female) persons interrested to read/write about Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal (#1 & 2 in the World Ranking of male tennis players) taking each other up the bum
(fedal_slash - Community Info)

Simmilar communities about Kirk/Spock or Harry Potter/Severus Snape can double up those numbers.
So yeah, there are women who would enjoy seeing more males play with each other, as well as a market for MM porn made for a female audience

Malachista (Slasher, Nerd and non-bi single female Swinger)

[Chicup]

Originally Posted by Malachista

The Internet may be serious business, but the Internet is also for porn

The moment I'm typing this there are 282 (mostly female) persons interrested in reading and/or writing erotic stories with Batman and the Joker sucking off each other - They never use a condom but they don't get HIV, but we are not sure if this is due to them being superheros or fictional characters.
(batmanjoker - Community Info)

On the other hand there are 465 (mostly female) persons interrested to read/write about Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal (#1 & 2 in the World Ranking of male tennis players) taking each other up the bum
(fedal_slash - Community Info)

Simmilar communities about Kirk/Spock or Harry Potter/Severus Snape can double up those numbers.
So yeah, there are women who would enjoy seeing more males play with each other, as well as a market for MM porn made for a female audience

Malachista (Slasher, Nerd and non-bi single female Swinger)

One of the 'mostly females' in question....



I internet: Men, men pretending to be women, and cops pretending to be 14.

Undoubtedly some women are into MM stuff, and all it takes for one if a couple is into it, but its by no means a majority, or even a sizable minority. Self described sex, age, etc is useless on the internet for determining anything.

[Malachista]

You mean I was screwed?
That two years ago me and those 10 gay guys were the only honest people on that conference about the topic?
That the other 789 ladies were fakes sent by their fathers, husbands and best friends from the brother in law from all over the world to London? ( But kudos to them for not running screaming from the room when the discussion came to the point if it really was way more sick to being mounted by a magicially sedated werewolf who normally is your lover then having national TV showing a fantasy series at 3pm where a centauer introduces his guests to his human wife who holds their centaure fowl in her arms)
Fuck, but now I want my money back.....


Malachista (who in reality is a pink plush elephant belonging to a 15 month old toddler, and is turning neon-green with giddy glee everytime some stupid human on the internet believes she is a cynical 27 year old Swiss girl)

[Chicup]

Originally Posted by Malachista

You mean I was screwed?
That two years ago me and those 10 gay guys were the only honest people on that conference about the topic?
That the other 789 ladies were fakes sent by their fathers, husbands and best friends from the brother in law from all over the world to London? ( But kudos to them for not running screaming from the room when the discussion came to the point if it really was way more sick to being mounted by a magicially sedated werewolf who normally is your lover then having national TV showing a fantasy series at 3pm where a centauer introduces his guests to his human wife who holds their centaure fowl in her arms)
Fuck, but now I want my money back.....


Malachista (who in reality is a pink plush elephant belonging to a 15 month old toddler, and is turning neon-green with giddy glee everytime some stupid human on the internet believes she is a cynical 27 year old Swiss girl)

Eh?

You skipped a few steps, how did we get from a website where you can have Batman get fucked by the Joker, to a conference with a 70-1 female/male ratio?

[Malachista]

Because the Batman & Joker Stories are a medium called Slash Fanfiction
Said conference was about Slash Fanfiction (but while mostly centered about Harry Potter, Star Wars and Lord of the Rings it was all about MM romance and sex created by a mostly female artist crowd for a mostly female audience - so there is a real community or the guys like the one in your picture are really good at faking, for sending those females to pretend they're them)

[WesternSwing]

Originally Posted by Beardedknight

I would like to hear comments from anyone that wishes to add their thoughts without being rude or vicious about this question:
Why is there a Double Standard when it comes to Bisexuality in Swinging?

It is okay, if not expected, for women to be Bisexual. But when it comes to guys being Bisexual it is totally frowned on or even banned, in most "On Premise" Clubs and even in most swing groups that are not On Premise.

Also wondering if the thought of two men together, turns any of you women on?

Thanks in advance to all that reply.

In my opinion and experience, although many swingers claim to be more liberated sexually, the instance of male/male contact freaking people out is pretty on par with general society. However, also in my experience many men are bisexual in private with another couple/man they trust than will admit to it publicly. This may also hold true in general society, though.

Mr. WS

[Playful1]

I'd just like to point out that despite all the people who like to say they don't have sex with bisexual men....unless they tell you, you have no idea. It is actually quite likely that at some point you have had sex with someone who had bisexual contact...be that oral or full penetration.

As for the double standard I think it has to do with the majority of people thinking male on male sex is a threat to masculinity. Whereas there is no threat from female on female sex.

I find male on male play hot, but it's not for everyone. Everyone doesn't need to be turned on by everything, but as long as its consensual we need to be more understanding of peoples various interests...be that bi play, bdsm, or some other variation that people seem to have issues with.