Men...would you...

[fun4Ds]

havn't been around in a while and the first thing i see is this thread.okaaaa, just my 2 cents.. two ladies on the beach playing with each other, one of witch is mrs.fun . im not going to walk away....

after a cup of coffee and some thaught i can only say that who ever said

"a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" never had any good bush

[Cpl2share]

That will teach me to assume. I did not read the story, just based my response on an assumption that it was a fondle during a swing situation. Since that is NOT what the poll was about: I would very calmly beat the hell out of anyone who tried to violate me. As other posters said, it would never go that far. If I am with two women who are pleasuring each other I am not going to walk away with another man to a secluded area.

[openmindedcpl]

I wrote this thread. I love this site. You can seek advice, have questions answered and a form where you can express your views, see what others think. I neither advocate nor promote anything, it is merely something to think about. There are many good people on this site, intelligent, much subject savy and experienced and most of all articulate. Others are totally off base, miss key elements of what is said and insert off the wall things of their own to come to a conclusion and insinuate that the writer is an idiot or a fake. I never even intimated that he purposly followed. He left last and walking behind me is following. You give it a different meaning. I would be cautious if followed too, in your sense. I would come up swinging if someone walked up to me and started that. I said they had walked along together for some time, stopped and talked for some time. I made every inference that for a non bi-sexual reason hormones were at work at the time of the first move. It was a thread that took a person that was open minded enough to let other men fuck his wife and watch her and a friend eat each others pussy ( swinging is not the common sexual activity of couples ) you have to be open minded to accept wife swapping as fun. Are you smarter than a fifth grader? If you are NOT open minded....then class, you are... what ...minded? If you attach the idea that open minded is a code word for gay, then by your deciphering you must be gay. I put the man into a situation in which his hormones were flowing. I made the thought of the f/f sex that they watched as a reason for having a woodie. No bi intent mentioned. Made it clear they were comfortable enough with each other not to be too embarrased to occasionally stroke themselves. I made the approach very sudden and undiscussed to free him of any prethought about saying yes or no to an oral m/m encounter. The question was... how many guys would look upon the situation as it was and be confident enough they were NOT gay, didnt 'like' men but would at least try something it to see how it felt in a girls mouth, without being ashamed of it or homophobic about it. Ask about something and some just answer. Others claw at the cage, rant, rave, commit violence, cry out to everyone, 'I am not one of them'! While others just assume no one would ever think they were. I think the word 'homophobic' was coined for these people who claim they are not when they were never asked or assumed to be. This seems to me that 'homophobic' conjures up the thought "why is he raving on so?" Me douth think ye protest too much.
The beach exists. It is named Playalinda Beach. It is Part of the Cape Canaveral Natural Wildlife Preserve and the south end access ends at the nort end of Cape Canaveral so close to the Shuttle launch pad that the road is closed when the Shutle is on the pad. It extends maybe 30 miles north. I visited the nude beach a couple of times a year to look at pussy for over thirty five years. I have seen girls playing with each other in front of everyone. At the stairramp over the dune there may be 100 people in a small area. A wife with a female friend would be completely safe I have seen guys walking on the beach with their wife or girl friend with their dick straight up. I have seen males laying alone playing with themselves. I have seen couples fucking and not stop as people walk by. I have seen men on their knees sucking another guy off.
I had a dream when I was divorced and about fifty. Drempt I went to Playalinda and some guy walks up to me, we talk for some time and he just puts his dick in my mouth. Woke up with a hard-on. Was confused and wondered why such a dream would cause me a hard-on. I had never even thought about a dick. That was it! I had never thought about it! Girls love to suck it, what does it feel like in their mouth? I know I am not gay, but what does a dick feel like in your mouth? Made me curious. And yes, it made me open minded enough to want to find out. Took me 6 months to get up the courage to go to the beach with the intention of finding out. Said Hi to every guy who walked by. Waved. Touched myself as we walked past 10 feet apart, told some they had a nice dick. Nothing happened. Finally sat down alone. One guy was about 50 yards away laying in the shallow of the beach sand run out and not obvious but could see him. A saw a wife and husband walking up the beach maybe 5 minutes stroll away. For kicks I sat there and played with myself til I had it up. I laid down and it stood straight up. They walked by about 50 ft away, me looked, then looked away. She never stopped looking, held her had at her thigh and gave my the thumbs up.
They turned and went back and she had her head over her shoulder looking.
I continued to occasionally stroke it to keep it up, then I saw they guy 50 yards away start walking towards me. Asked me if I liked playing with it. Blurted out 'I want to suck one for the first time.' Dont know where that came from even, but thats what I said. He said well.... I dont know. I thought oh no! Then he said lets walk up the beach where no one can see.
I jumped up and walking we went. He started towars a dip in the sand dunes. He began to get it up. A few yards we were there, he was full up, I dropped to my knees and he slipped it in my mouth.
There is such a palce. Things I said I have seen happen. And it was the biggest thrill since I firsr ate pussy.
From the poll, when I looked at it, 7 guys said they would continue out of 25. That's one in four. That's all I wondered. A lot did not vote, so were not interested. Some answered in what I think most would call a homophobic way. You told us who you are. Be cool with it, be against it, be "it doesn't apply to me about it". Why get so upset you need to lash out to prove your masculinity when it has never been questioned?

[Thrax]

Frankly, openmindedcpl, I don't care if you are bi or gay. I just hope you don't teach English composition at ANY educational level.

But, and there is your big but (thank you PeeWee), if I was a student and you were the teacher, I'd also be worried if you were my Qualitative Reasoning, Logic, or Philosophy professor.

Yes! I went there! Sorry! But for me? It's been fun!

Thrax

[Mr. Truelove]

The question should have just said, "Are you gay?"

Or, I know that some men on here like a little M/M play without calling themselves gay so I guess you could put down, "Would you be open to Male male play?" (Yes) (No). Because that is all this post succeeded in doing (even less accurate though as even people that are open to male/male play would not answer yes to being sexually assaulted.

You gave some sort of long story that instead of asking the simple question that you really wanted to ask, complicated with issues of non-consent and unlikely situations/impossibilities.

Negative reactions to this had everything to do with how the question was asked, and very little to do with homophobia.

:beatdeadh

Mr. Truelove

[Alura]

Openmindedcpl wrote:

I had a dream when I was divorced and about fifty. Drempt I went to Playalinda and some guy walks up to me, we talk for some time and he just puts his dick in my mouth.

Hah! I knew it had to be a dream. It's the only way such irrationality comes to mind!

Still, it's not a bad try at starting a thought-producing thread, Openmindedcpl. We look forward to seeing what you can come up with in other subjects.

Mr. Alura

[at-a-kiss]

As most are replying, would not ever happen in that way. I am not sure about some one just getting up and forcing me! That would probably draw an adverce reaction. In a mfm play I'm not sure as I have never had a penis in my mouth although I'm not sure that I wouldn't not think about it. I do enjoy anal play with my wife.(Never actually been with a man) The thought has intrieged me and I would be more than willing to have streight sex. Good story. I do not consider myself gay, I have never liked the thought of kissing a man and am nopt attracted to the man, that said I am attracted to a penis.
And by no means was I ever a great english or spelling student as you can tell.

[cubnamy1995]

I agree with the others that it would never have gotten that far. Nothing against anyone who's into that, but not my thing. I like vagina. Always have. Don't need to expand on that.

[lovinher]

I guess for us straight guys it is impossible for us to be open minded. Sound familiar? If a guy wants to suck a dick or have one in his ass he is either bi or gay. What else is it? Nothing wrong with either but how many times have we seen I'm not bi or gay but I gave a guy a blow job and loved it? I could see a guy trying it out and finding out it's not for him. But if you liked it and seek it you are bi at least.
Come on guys just admit it. Nobody here is anti bi or anti gay. But you will hear from me and many others when someone posts straight men are not open minded because we want nothing to do with a man.
The men that post this nonsense are looking for ways to justify their own sexuality to themselves or others. So they try to convince us that WE have a problem. Then, to top it off when we respond we MUST be gay or bi for saying otherwise. So why do we respond? Because it is a discussion board.

[sereneiders]

openmidnedcpl,

I don't know about the others, nor the meaning this forum have for them. To me, this is a place where people discuss (mostly) swinging related issues, seek for advice and where swingers portraits themselves for the rest of the society, i.e., the vanilla, perhaps curious, guys wanting to have a clue of what this is about and the kind of people they could find around.

So, you came to this forum without introducing yourself, not allowing us to know anything about yourself, who you are, what's your story, and your first act here is to produce a poll, moreover one that has nothing to do with swinging, but with a very elaborated sexual fantasy of you about an scenario unfeasible among swingers, thus, grounded on a set of prejudices about our supposed behavior, able to misslead the casual vanilla reader into believe it could be possible.

For example: that the guy from a swinger's couple would leave alone his wife making out with another gal, naked in the beach, surrounded of dosens of people (a very dangerous situation for any mowan), without even tell her he's leaving, and end up engaging in some other activity forgetting about his wife fate. And it doesn't care if this activity were sexual as well, altought being a sexual one adds another ingredient: this guy would be so selfish he only care about himself, his lust, no matter if the dozen guys surrounding his wife and the other gal were gangraping them.

I wonder how well portrayed we would be for this casual vanilla reader after reaching to the same conclusions I just did about the possible "side effects" for such an scenario.

You didn't even care to add the option "none of the above", which is the logical option to choose for the swingers. Also, I wonder who answered your poll, because I think most swingers guys (i.e., married ones, singles aren't swingers by definition) wouldn't even consider to answer it.

You didn't even care to look around in the forum for the proper section where to make this pool: you did it in the "General Swingers Stuff"... as if this really were having to do with swinging.

You were careless.

In any case, my guts tells me you're a lurker wanting to convalidate your own sexual fantasy against (what you suppose is) the reality as to "strenghten" it for a good jack off, attempting to use us all in the process.

Notice that I am not against sharing sexual fantasies, nor asking theoretical questions about "what would you do" if inside such a fantasy. I can play this game as much as the next guy, however, I wouldn't do it in this board, and at least, not in this section of the board, because I feel it'd be disrespectfull for the real swingers dealing with real life scenarios, and sometimes at high levels of risks for themselves and their relationships.

Of course, I am aware the forum spirit is to allow anyone, even trolls, to post whatever they want, you have the right to make this poll, and I'd be the first one deffending your right to do it. The same way, I have the right to post my oppinion about this poll, about this poll author, about your behavior, and about the ways I feel this poll negativelly affects us all, and this is what I am doing.

So, please, let's start over. I'd suggest you to make a post in the "Intorductions" section, tell us who you are, what sort of relationship you have, and why you're here. At least allow the reader to tell appart the reality form the fantasy.

PS: It doesn't exists the "absotuletty open minded" guy, everyone is narrowed minded in some or another aspect, and some guys, luckily, get to become open minded about a couple of things. FYI, swingers are open minded about sexuality, but narrowed minded about reasons to break the rules or risk to preduce emotional harm to themselves or other people. And IMO this narrowing is pretty healthy. So, I already know I am not being as open minded as you'd like me to be here, and it is because I don't want to be.

[Alura]

I second the motion, Sereneiders. Like you, I didn't vote because none of the options applied to me.

Mr. Alura

[EternallySingle]

I understand your point, openmindedcpl, but based on how the story read, my answer was "wouldn't leave my woman without her consent." After you explained it, it is still "wouldn't leave my woman without prior consent." As for the rest, no, I wouldn't simply because he didn't ask first. I don't care who I'm with, kissing and a quick pinch here or there is as far as I go without her either encouraging me to go further or me asking her and she agreeing to go further. Someone has got to keep the hormones under some semblance of control, and I've been brought up to believe that someone should be the man. Nothing homophobic about that, just good manners.

[new2wild]

Ok we are new here, as well as new to swinging. That being said.

openmindedcpl I read yor post and like many men that responded voted be angry not that I am a homophobe, in the proper situation I might play with him or more. I have to somewhat agree with sereneiders but understand you felt you were leading up to the question properly. But it seemed a little dominating/forcefull to me, I don't think very many men would feel comfortable being dominated, or forced into man on man and would respond acordingly,

I feel it would have been better recived by the group had it evolved from a 4some (2 couples) and proceeded gently from that point

P.S. I really tried to take your post in the everything/everyone is safe notion that I beleve it was ment, but still agree not leaving the ladies alone.

[r_poseidon]

I dunno. Two naked hotties fingering each other and all sorts of fun stuff? I don't think ANYTHING could persuade me to leave that!!

[velbuzz]

there should have been a choice to say that you dont play without your spouse, but lets hook up later