On bisexuality.

[puneswings]

At what point in our evolution did we begin to differentiate between the genders? At what point did humankind say 'I am a man/woman and can therefore only only be happy with a woman/man'? Will there ever reach a stage where humankind will have evolved to such a level that they shall know no difference between the genders when it comes to using the human body (one's own, and others') for pure physical pleasure?

I wonder if this differentiation that we make between the sexes are a result of social conditioning. What is it that makes a man or woman say 'never' when presented with an option to explore pleasure with another man? And, what is different about those men and women who say 'ok', or 'maybe' and are open to trying it out?

I have always considered bisexuality as the most beautiful form of sexuality. The liberating feeling of knowing that you are not limited in your choice of potential partners, the sheer thrill of being able to participate in a sexual act with any of the participants (and not to mention, double the rejections ), its simply exhilarating.
Universal Receiver, Universal Giver

I see the beauty of bisexuality not merely at the physical level; it is even more so at the mental and emotional level. To be able to admire a fellow human being belonging to the same gender as you and enjoy it is, I believe, a sign of an evolved personality; one who's inner eye has opened and can see true beauty in all humans without the limitations of social conditioning.
Universal Lover

Finally I see the social beauty of bisexuality: How can there ever be true equality until that day comes when a man can feel free to bring out the woman in him without worry, and woman can be man without fearing the wounded masculine ego?
When you are Kali; Shaker of the Worlds
I will be your Shiva; Humble Recepient
When I am Shiva; Dancing Tandav
Be my Parvati; become my Dance

Peace.
Mohan

PS: Both me and Asha are bi.

[warkman]

Bisexuality has always seemed to me (based not on any science mind you-just the musings in my own head) to make the most sense as a norm for human sexuality even though I don't consider myself to be. I'm not sure to what extent our socialization impacts on whether we feel (or allow ourselves to feel) physical attraction for someone of the same sex as well as the opposite. I wonder how the majority of people would describe their sexual preference, if the prevailing social norms encouraged bisexuality among both sexes. There sure seems to be a large increase in female bisexuality (or maybe due to more women coming out of the closet) now that there is more popular acceptance of it. I have to think that the fact that it is "more permissable" allows for more women to go there. I wonder if the same would be true for men.

[good times]

Originally Posted by puneswings

At what point in our evolution did we begin to differentiate between the genders?

I can only guess but I would say it was about the time we grasped the obvious, looked at the male and females respective equipment and then noticed it was pleasurable to insert one into the other.

Originally Posted by puneswings

At what point did humankind say 'I am a man/woman and can therefore only be happy with a woman/man'?

Probably shortly after their first orgasm.

Originally Posted by puneswings

Will there ever reach a stage where humankind will have evolved to such a level that they shall know no difference between the genders when it comes to using the human body (one's own, and others') for pure physical pleasure?

I seriously doubt it.

From your post it is apparent that, to you, if we all were bi it would be the ideall world, but keep in mind you are in the minority. Most of us prefer that our sexual pleasure involve the opposite sex. I know that for myself I don't have any sexual attraction to people of my same sex and don't understand those that do. This doesn't mean I have anything against someone who is bi, as in most things in life I am pretty indifferent about what others do as long as it doesn't negatively impact me. So while I understand the wish of the bi and gay community for everyone to be like them I think it would be pretty naive to think it will ever happen as they are pretty severely outnumbered.

This actually made me think about something that always crosses my mind when listening to the gay and lesbian community expounding on the virtues of their lifestyle. If everyone evolved to become homosexual, how long would it take for the human race to become extinct?

[PAcouple2004]

To be honest, I have no problem with Bi or gay men. None except one thing. The thing that bothers me the most is how gay men act. The whole 9 yards of the stupid lisp, the flailing of hands bothers me.The over feminism which tends to be an act I feel more than anything else.(no offense intended)

If a man could be BI or even fully gay and not act like that, then really I don't think you would see a huge gap in th acceptace of bi men to bi women.
Very few wome that are gay or even bi act like a man.

[menher1559]

I would certainly have to agree with PA couple on this one. My wife and I have both had bisexual experiences and for the most part found them to be very enjoyable. However, FEM guys and BUTCH ladies really are a turn off for us. We both believe that women should be women and men be men. And regardless of whether or not we have sex with our same gender doesn't change the fact of gender identification. (I think I said that right). Anyway. to keep from getting to carried away, keeping in perspective regarding sex is what we are looking for when we meet bi guys, ladies or bi couples. There are men and there are women. And we all have sex with each other. It doesn't change the dynamic of gender identity.

[BradAndJanet]

Originally Posted by PAcouple2004

To be honest, I have no problem with Bi or gay men. None except one thing. The thing that bothers me the most is how gay men act. The whole 9 yards of the stupid lisp, the flailing of hands bothers me.The over feminism which tends to be an act I feel more than anything else.(no offense intended)

If a man could be BI or even fully gay and not act like that, then really I don't think you would see a huge gap in th acceptace of bi men to bi women.
Very few wome that are gay or even bi act like a man.

What you have to think about is that the feminine gay man is the one you notice more. There are plenty of gay men out there who don't act that way and whom you would never know were gay unless they told you.

You know, there are a lot of straight personality types I don't like either, so I avoid those people, but I don't lump all straight people together and think they're all like that. I try to treat everyone as an individual and make my decision to associate with them based on how they treat me and others.

-B

[warkman]

Originally Posted by BradAndJanet

What you have to think about is that the feminine gay man is the one you notice more. There are plenty of gay men out there who don't act that way and whom you would never know were gay unless they told you.

You know, there are a lot of straight personality types I don't like either, so I avoid those people, but I don't lump all straight people together and think they're all like that. I try to treat everyone as an individual and make my decision to associate with them based on how they treat me and others.

-B

Amen to that. Being in the music biz we have lots of gay and lesbian associates - all of whom are different. As you say, many meet the stereotypes, and many don't. There are some we really like and others we don't like.

[warkman]

Originally Posted by good times

This actually made me think about something that always crosses my mind when listening to the gay and lesbian community expounding on the virtues of their lifestyle. If everyone evolved to become homosexual, how long would it take for the human race to become extinct?

I heard a teaser for (I think) a PBS radio or TV show dealing with a few scientist's beliefs that the xx xy chromosome difference in humans may go the way of the dinosaur- the implication being that men would disappear and that women will become able to reproduce without them. Don't know if that would happen without sexual contact. Now wouldn't that be a shame!

[imsnowman]

Originally Posted by PAcouple2004

To be honest, I have no problem with Bi or gay men. None except one thing. The thing that bothers me the most is how gay men act. The whole 9 yards of the stupid lisp, the flailing of hands bothers me.The over feminism which tends to be an act I feel more than anything else.(no offense intended)

If a man could be BI or even fully gay and not act like that, then really I don't think you would see a huge gap in th acceptace of bi men to bi women.
Very few wome that are gay or even bi act like a man.

Couple of questions
1. You state that the feminism is an act. How is that you know it's an act?
2. You state that very few wome(n) that are gay or even bi act like a man. Do you mean that very few of the gay or bi women that YOU KNOW act like a man?

I've met plenty of butch gay females. Maybe you just don't get out into the gay/lesbian community enough.

[misterbates]

Originally Posted by PAcouple2004

If a man could be BI or even fully gay and not act like that, then really I don't think you would see a huge gap in th acceptace of bi men to bi women.
Very few wome that are gay or even bi act like a man.

Huh?? you must not know many lesbians....or you watch too much tv....most of the gay women i know are VERY butch..flannel shirts,chain wallets,the whole nine yards...the truth is not far from the stereotype...lol!!....

I also know many gay men that you would never know were gay....and some that shoot sparks out their ass when they walk.....

Most Bi men and women do not fit the stereotype because they are BI not Gay...

Mr B
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[PAcouple2004]

Ok guys it was only my opinion,
I said I think it tends to be an act, I don't know for sure, and I know LOTS of lesbians that are very feminine (both of them) and very few butch ones.

As for that matter I know lots of gay men that don't act like flamers that think that it is totally unacceptable for the gay man to act that way.

[imsnowman]

Originally Posted by PAcouple2004

To be honest, I have no problem with Bi or gay men. None except one thing. The thing that bothers me the most is how gay men act.

Most people here understand that we're all discussing opinions. However, when you make the statement "how gay men act." you're putting your opinion out as a fact because you are covering an entire group ("gay men") of people.

[Hellboy]

Like any other group, there by choice or biology, the ranks are filled with a vast spectrum of people. Personally, I do not enjoy being around people who let their sexual persuasion completely define them, which to me at least, encompasses many "flamboyant" gay men and "butch" gay women.

The best way I can think to describe it is Gay man vs. Man who is gay...

I don't get it, I cannot get inside the head of a man who has to act out his sexuality, make it their identity. Its not about sex, its lifestyle and I think its an act for the most part. And a part of a system of cliques and peer groups many of us have played roles in at various times. Jocks, nerds, rednecks, stoners, etc. I think its in large part the same type of behavior.

Back to the original topic : What ever floats your boat. I personally have no attraction to men, but that doesn't make me any less of a free person sexually or otherwise.

BTW: I have not gone away, but I am super busy now and the whole swinging experiment is on hold....damn, our sexlife period is shoved into little stolen moments when the stars, babysitters, time off from work, are all in proper alignment. I snuck off from work this morning for a quickie with the wife. I'll still log 70+ hours of work though....blech....

[JustAskJulie]

It really only takes a look back through the history of the world to see that this separation is through social conditioning. Look back at ancient Rome and other civilizations and we see bisexuality (especially among men) as a much more common thing.

People today are making a huge deal about the movie Alexander coming out and how dare Oliver Stone put in a scene with Alexander kissing another man. He was bisexual, as were most men in that day, it was not a big deal. He had male and female lovers. The fact that we feel the need to make a big deal out of it, is the sad thing.

[menher1559]

Thank You Julie. Words well spoken.