On bisexuality.

[DBL D]

You know what? I really don't care if "society" condones what I do or not.

You have just live your life. Why shouldn't you do it doing something you enjoy doing? (Of course, this takes into consideration that it doesn't hurt someone else in a terribly physical way as in causing pain or death.)

Doesn't make sense to me otherwise.

Male D

[EternallySingle]

Originally Posted by warkman

I'm not sure what you're saying here ES. I don't quite understand the second sentence. I guess it could beg the question, "What is morality?" but to my mind's eye causing pain, injury, suffering, hardship, or death to others is exactly where my kind of morality comes into play. That's wrong- or at least in a non self defense capacity. Of course opinions will vary as to what's acceptable or not. Or are you saying that many people use morality to justify hurtful actions? By the way, I really enjoy your posts.

What I was trying to say is that when you do something that will hurt someone in a visible, concrete way like causing bodily harm or causing them to lose something of physical value, there is no gray area as to whether its right or wrong. The same goes if you do something you know will cause someone emotional anguish because you broke a clearly defined written or verbal contract (such as marriage vows or financial agreement). When it comes to whether one person approves of a behavior or idea and another disapproves of that behavior or idea, or an action that is beneficial to a person in one instance but detrimental in another (like becoming pregnant before marriage), or an action where there is no possibility of anyone being affected except the person involved(masturbation, taking mind altering substances in the confines of your home and not leaving until you become sober again, then you are talking about morality, not what is right or wrong.

I did my dimensions of human behavior term paper on technology and its affects on local morality. Interesting research. Did you know it was considered bad form for an older woman to marry a younger man in feudal European society because it almost always meant that the man would outlive his wife and marry again, allowing the children of his new wife (if he remarried) to inherit a portion of his estate? Did you also know that it was bad form for a widow who inherited an estate to remarry because it would keep another woman's children from potentially inheriting an estate? What did someone say about the real reason for morality laws?

[Vespertine]

A little off topic, but interesting....


WHO IS BISEXUAL?*

As you can see, there is no simple definition of bisexuality, and bisexual people are a very diverse group. There are several theories about different models of bisexual behavior. J. R. Little identifies at least 13 types of bisexuality, as defined by sexual desires and experiences. They are:

Alternating bisexuals:
may have a relationship with a man, and then after that relationship ends, may choose a female partner for a subsequent relationship, and many go back to a male partner next.
Circumstantial bisexuals:
primarily heterosexual, but will choose same sex partners only in situations where they have no access to other-sex partners, such as when in jail, in the military, or in a gender-segregated school.
Concurrent relationship bisexuals:
have primary relationship with one gender only but have other casual or secondary relationships with people of another gender at the same time.
Conditional bisexuals:
either straight or gay/lesbian, but will switch to a relationship with another gender for financial or career gain or for a specific purpose, such as young straight males who become gay prostitutes or lesbians who get married to men in order to gain acceptance from family members or to have children.
Emotional bisexuals:
have intimate emotional relationships with both men and women, but only have sexual relationships with one gender.
Integrated bisexuals:
have more than one primary relationship at the same time, one with a man and one with a woman.
Exploratory bisexuals:
either straight or gay/lesbian, but have sex with another gender just to satisfy curiosity or "see what it's like."
Hedonistic bisexuals:
primarily straight or gay/lesbian but will sometimes have sex with another gender primarily for fun or purely sexual satisfaction.
Recreational bisexuals:
primarily heterosexual but engage in gay or lesbian sex only when under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol.
Isolated bisexuals:
100% straight or gay/lesbian now but has had at one or more sexual experience with another gender in the past.
Latent bisexuals:
completely straight or gay lesbian in behavior but have strong desire for sex with another gender, but have never acted on it.
Motivational bisexuals:
straight women who have sex with other women only because a male partner insists on it to titillate him.
Transitional bisexuals:
temporarily identify as bisexual while in the process of moving from being straight to being gay or lesbian, or going from being gay or lesbian to being heterosexual.

Many of these people might not call themselves bisexual, but because they are attracted to and have relationships with both men and women, they are in fact bisexual.


Now let's toss in a brief summary on Kinsey

Dr. Alfred Kinsey created a scale, graduated between heterosexuality and homosexuality, to rate individuals on actual experiences and psychological reactions. The ratings are as follows**:

0 - Entirely heterosexual.
1 - Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual.
2 - Predominantly heterosexual, but with a distinct homosexual history.
3 - Equally heterosexual and homosexual.
4 - Predominantly homosexual, but with a distinct heterosexual history.
5 - Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual.
6 - Entirely homosexual.

Clearly anything above 0 and less than 6 can be defined as bisexual. Although many people will say "I am Kinsey (whatever)," it should be noted that subsequent researchers such as Klein have found it more useful to rate people on a variety of levels, such as "Past History," "Present History," "Present Feelings," and "Future Inclinations". Nevertheless the Kinsey scale remains a useful tool for discussion of sexuality precisely because it is so simple.


Wow. Talk about labels.

No more Bi Vs. Bi-curious. There are subcategories for bi's now.

Which one are you?

I'm a Hedonstic Bisexual, Kinsey 2. I like the sound of that. So much better than bi-curious.

*http://www.bayarea.net/~stef/Poly/La.../bisexual.html
**http://bi.org/db/res.html

[davesgirl2305]

Wait a minute why all the grief? Doesn't it really come down to you and yourself to deal with. If you like who and what you are who cares? Right? I dont need anyone to tell me I think sex with a girl is fun. I think you get to totally different feelings from both sexes why not experience it.
There are no "do overs" in life. Why have regrets?

[Vespertine]

Originally Posted by davesgirl2305

There are no "do overs" in life. Why have regrets?

This is one of the best quotes I have ever read.

So true....so true.

[confunktion]

Excellent research, Vespertine. I have been a Kinsey scale advocate, but I didn't know about that info from Little. Knowledge is power, you know? Based on that, you are like She-Ra.

Mr. Funk
Ignorance Is Not One Of My Favorite Things

[Vespertine]

Originally Posted by confunktion

Based on that, you are like She-Ra.

I'd love to be like She-Ra....

Didn't she have a magical flying unicorn? Mmm... the places I could go...

[Pepper & Drew]

Originally Posted by Vespertine

I'm a Hedonstic Bisexual, Kinsey 2. I like the sound of that. So much better than bi-curious.

I am too, Vespertine! Now, how do I change that on our Swing Lifestyle profile?

Pepper

[confunktion]

Originally Posted by Vespertine

I'd love to be like She-Ra....

Didn't she have a magical flying unicorn? Mmm... the places I could go...

Yup she did. She could have overpowered any man on the planet. I'm thinking that would be appealing to you as well....

Mr. Funk
Planning My Annual Pilgrimage To Castle Greyskull

[Vespertine]

Originally Posted by Pepper & Drew

I am too, Vespertine! Now, how do I change that on our Swing Lifestyle profile?

Pepper

Oohh.... We can start a trend, Pepper.


Our very own cultic swing-formula lingo.


-Vespertine (HbK2)

[Vespertine]

Originally Posted by confunktion

Yup she did. She could have overpowered any man on the planet. I'm thinking that would be appealing to you as well....

Mr. Funk
Planning My Annual Pilgrimage To Castle Greyskull

"By the power of Grayskull...I have the power!!!"