Rohypnol at a party - Somone put it in our drinks!

[CandPinSA]

Originally Posted by TeamSoBe

if you didn't do a rape kit and a toxicology test that night then there's no point going to the police days afterward. There would be nothing that they could do other than to take a report to humor you.

I could be mistaken, but I thought I read that when they made it home, his wife had passed out to the point that he took her to the emergency room... where their "toxicology test" revealed the presence or rohypnol.

Mr C

[TeamSoBe]

Originally Posted by CandPinSA

I could be mistaken, but I thought I read that when they made it home, his wife had passed out to the point that he took her to the emergency room... where their "toxicology test" revealed the presence or rohypnol.

Aha right you are, I missed that. Still don't see how it could help without a rape kit though, plenty of people do take roofies intentionally.

[Mr. Truelove]

Originally Posted by TeamSoBe

Also, if you didn't do a rape kit and a toxicology test that night then there's no point going to the police days afterward. There would be nothing that they could do other than to take a report to humor you.

Actually, certain signs of rape can be detected much later. In fact, if testing required same night tests, then I don't think anyone would get caught. Our local sexual assault treatment center does rape tests on subjects that report the rape within 96 hours even. Possibly longer. Thats just reporting it in that time.

I think DNA needs to be collected sooner, but I believe times are different depending on where the semen or fluids are, Anus, Mouth, or vaginal. I surely wouldn't accept forum members responses on that however, it doesn't cost anything to contact your local assault treatment center and that would ensure what the local response would be.

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In fact, if you are at all hesistant about going to the police, I would contact your local assault treatment center. "Victim Assistance Program 877-749-9111" I believe that would be your local number. They would likely assist you and keep confidentiality much more effectively if that is a major concern.

Edit: I just realized that it has been multiple weeks since the event. Still, I would not hesitate to call the Victim assistance program, as they could consult you. However, actual law enforcement remains professional opinion.

[sereneiders]

Originally Posted by 2jersey

One point which is missing from this entire discussion (so far) is that Rohypnol is used (by certain people) as a recreational drug (i.e. it is often self-administered). The mere presence of this drug in one's blood/urine is not conclusive evidence that they are victims of a crime.

For as far as I know, Rohypnol wouldn't be used ALONE as a recreational drug, since you will forget everithing about the experience you had while using it. But, if the hospital records doesn't show other drugs in the tests they did, it could be supposed that other drugs were present, so in either case you're right.

This doesn't change the fact of being known as a rape drug, and that it's hard to believe an otherwise non drug user would start on recreational drugs chosing to use Rohypnol. Moreover, the FDA forbid Rohypnol in hte USA because of it use as a rape drug, and not because it could be used as recreational drug (if so, many, many drugs that alter the behavior or perception, requiring a recipe to be bought -as Rohypnol required when it was legal- would be forbidden as well).

I don't know enough the legal system in the USA, but I guess reporting this to the police, without further evidence, wouldn't trigger an investigation nor lead to prosecution, but several reports may help to build a case. We don't even know if the police is gathering information about this very abuser and they're waiting for more people to report something like this, and this will remain unknown until reporting what happend.

In any case, I believe that asking a lawyer about these issues is advisable.

[CandPinSA]

Originally Posted by sereneiders

In any case, I believe that asking a lawyer about these issues is advisable.

I agree with this. Right on the way to local law enforcement and after stopping at the hospital to pick up the toxicology reports. At the very least make a report to the police, including whatever information you may have about whoever was there.

Mr. C

[2jersey]

Originally Posted by sereneiders

For as far as I know, Rohypnol wouldn't be used ALONE as a recreational drug, since you will forget everithing about the experience you had while using it. But, if the hospital records doesn't show other drugs in the tests they did, it could be supposed that other drugs were present, so in either case you're right.

This doesn't change the fact of being known as a rape drug, and that it's hard to believe an otherwise non drug user would start on recreational drugs chosing to use Rohypnol. Moreover, the FDA forbid Rohypnol in hte USA because of it use as a rape drug, and not because it could be used as recreational drug (if so, many, many drugs that alter the behavior or perception, requiring a recipe to be bought -as Rohypnol required when it was legal- would be forbidden as well).

I don't know enough the legal system in the USA, but I guess reporting this to the police, without further evidence, wouldn't trigger an investigation nor lead to prosecution, but several reports may help to build a case. We don't even know if the police is gathering information about this very abuser and they're waiting for more people to report something like this, and this will remain unknown until reporting what happend.

In any case, I believe that asking a lawyer about these issues is advisable.

Although it has never been legal in the US, thiss drug is surprisingly inexpensive on the street - and some people are remarkably stupid as to what they will put in their bodies. Several years ago, we had a rock star (Kurt Cobain) overdose on this drug shortly before his death by suicide.

Recreational uses (from Wikipedia): To produce profound intoxication - To boost the high produced by heroin, or ease the anxiety and/or sleeplessness of withdrawal - To counteract the side effects of stimulants (e.g. insomnia, paranoia, jitteriness) -To "soften" the so-called "crash" which follows heavy usage of stimulants, such as cocaine or methamphetamine - To improve sex drive and appetite.

It is extremely likely that a police report would trigger an investigation in this case. The US laws regarding this drug are extremely stringent and the criminal sentencing guidelines are severe. There would be no reason for law enforcement to standby and wait for additional victims to surface.

[fun4Ds]

We are still trying to deal with this, its not been easy. alot of people have wanted us to let the authorities handle this. we are not ready to risk the exposure.wouldn't that make us the bigger piece of shit in the swinging community? we would like to at least feel good that we can keep the people we have met identities confidential. it sucks. the investigating has been on our own so far. we are thankful to our friends and we are lucky... no... grateful to be alive. we were raped and brain fucked. It hurts on the inside more than we can show on the outside. its probably going to be a while before we get any closure to this in our personal lives. you can only imagine what its like to not have any recollection . it has been an earth shaking kaboom. who would have thought they needed to dope us? thats sick. some days we don't want to contact anyone and some days we want to contact everyone. who do we point the finger at? the couple we met? the bartender who served us? the folks at the party? i guess its my fault. they say time heals all wounds.. we are thinking to send the owners a letter of an apology but apologize for what? were only guessing we were the worst. our current swing partners tell us that if we were an ass at the party it would be way out of our character. i guess we are going to have to take it as a team and put it behind us.somehow take it as a learning experience.

[OttawaCuple]

<<<HUGS>>>

It's NOT YOUR FAULT!!!!!!

MrsOttawaCuple

[ANGEDKY(mr)]

Please take the time to find some victim counseling. Be it hotline (1-800), therapist, psychologist or whatever you can lay your hands on. At this stage both of you NEED someone on the outside of the situation to talk to, someone that can relate to being a victim and who is trained to recognize all of the symptoms you are experiencing !! Often times situations like these lead to severe depression, loss of self esteem, on and on and it can go as far as financial devastation, even suicide. Not saying that you will or are at that this point, rather that it has happened to more than one person.

Prior to leaving my last place of employment, I was in daily contact with vast numbers of young females who had been preyed upon in one fashion or another. Most had turned to drugs, pills and sex to ease the pain ALL of them spiraled out of control and were on the way to rock bottom. To date some are dead, some are still slumped in the corner of a bar, using Xanax, GHB or Roofies to sleep off a 3 day coke binge, others are in the state or federal prison system. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM TURNED TO SELF-HELP TO DEAL WITH THEIR PROBLEMS !!

Again, to reiterate, I am well aware that you are not at this point. However I do detect a certain sorrow or "Why me" vibe in your posts and think you should seek outside help to gain some additional coping skills while the impact is relatively minimal.

Happy thoughts and Best of luck to you

Angedky(mr)


p.s. ........ the P.M. box is always available if you want to vent in private

[2jersey]

Originally Posted by fun4Ds

we are still trying to deal with this, its not been easy. alot of people have wanted us to let the authorities handel this. we are not ready to risk the exposure.wouldn't that make us the bigger piece of shit in the swinging community? we would like to at least feel good that we can keep the people we have met identitys confadintial. it sucks. the investagating has been on our own so far. we are thankfull to our friends and we are lucky... no... gratefull to be alive. we were raped and brain fucked.it hurts on the inside more than we can show on the outside. its probly going to be a while before we get any closure to this in our personal lives. you can only imagine what its like to not have any recollection . it has been an earth shaking kaboom. who would have thaught they needed to dope us? thats sick. some days we dont want to contact anyone and some days we want to contact everyone. who do we point the finger at? the couple we met? the bartender who served us? the folks at the party? i guess its my falt. they say time heals all wounds.. we are thinking to send the owners a letter of an apology but apoligise for what? were only guessing we were the worst. our current swing partners tell us that if we were an ass at the party it would be way out of our character. i guess we are going to have to take it as a team and put it behind us.somehow take it as a learning experiance.

Hi, You may want to reread this thread as a reminder that you have many people who have considered your story and feel great sympathy for you. You may also want to consider some of the advice which has been offered.

It is natural to be confused, and to feel some guilt and shame. You have been victimized, and you need to remember that you did absolutely nothing to bring this plight on yourselves.

At this point, it seems as if you might benefit from some interaction with a rape crisis counselor. We would encourage you to seek professional help immediately.

[beaverz]

I feel so bad for you and Mrs. fun, this is a terrible thing to happen. I really can’t add any advice that hasn’t been mentioned or you haven’t thought of.

I would like to thank you for coming to the board and sharing your terrible experience with others. It may help others to be more wary of their situation, not just in the swinging, but also in all other social events.

This is problem that all of us need to be aware of, watch each others back and step forward when we see something that’s not right.

Good luck!!!

[CandPinSA]

Originally Posted by fun4Ds

alot of people have wanted us to let the authorities handel this. we are not ready to risk the exposure.wouldn't that make us the bigger piece of shit in the swinging community? we would like to at least feel good that we can keep the people we have met identitys confadintial......

I would think the only people who would be upset are the people who drugged you. I would also like to think that the rest of the community would be happy that you 'outed' possible, and probable, sexual predators in your midst. Who among the people you've met would be outed besides the one's who did this? Well, if there were 3 couples there, and only one was responsible, then I guess that one other couple might be outed too.... but then again, perhaps not. And frankly, you don't know which of the other 2 couples were responsible. If it was the other 'guest' couple, I would think the hosts might actually be happy that you are concerned about the entire communities well being at heart. Does the host couple have kids? at home? perhaps everyone was drugged and the kids were drugged and raped later. Perhaps the other couple drugged both you and the hosts and raped all of you. Perhaps that's why you were banned. Maybe the other couple told the hosts the same thing happened to them so the only one's left do have done it was you. And you think that isn't going around the community if that's the case? Of course it is. If you address the hosts, simply ask them to forgive you for however you may have acted, that has gotten you banned etc. But that you really don't know what that was, so could they please at least explain it to you.

Originally Posted by fun4Ds

we were raped and brain fucked.

You're right you were. If not sexually, though I doubt that, at least emotionally and mentally. And I agree with others, at least seek victim counseling.

Originally Posted by fun4Ds

i guess its my falt.

That's the same as the 'rape' victim feeling like it was their fault. It's never the victims fault. There is no excuse. How could it be your fault? Did someone ask you if you wanted a roopy and you told them yes? Did you bring it with you and take it yourself? Did you ask someone if they had the drug so you could take it? How is it your fault. Think about that. It's never the fault of the victim.

C

[fun4Ds]

yes we are going to seek some counseling its been very depressing .we have swinger friends but we have been on a major lifestyle break. this is not something you can talk to family about maby other swingers. mrs fun has been very supportive with a lot of love notes on the table. may sound kinda strange but we are kind of making a few jokes from time to time. like the day of the party mrs.fun said i may be in for a big surprise.well it certanly was a surprise. we thank you all for the support

[AlaskanGrown]

Originally Posted by sereneiders

For as far as I know, Rohypnol wouldn't be used ALONE as a recreational drug, since you will forget everithing about the experience you had while using it.

People do use roofies recreationally. They know their tolerance and dose accordingly just below their threshhold. Never done it myself and have no real interest in doing it.

[kandr2000]

Please, dont feel like this is your fault in any way. That is what victims do is blame themselves. Try the victims hotline, it may help.

My husband is irrate over this. If this was to happen to me, he'd end up in prison. That sounds awful. He'd like to help you guys out if you were closer. This whole thing just sickens us.