Getting your profile mailed to your house!!

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by CA91709

Mr. CA posting...
This problem seems a bit odd. I actually went through the first six sign up steps at the Lifestyle lounge and at least up until that point, all they had as a solid ID was the E-Mail address. I didn't complete the sign up because frankly the Mrs. and I aren't quite ready yet. It would seem if one used a yahoo E-mail address (that one can get for free, no billing) that a hacker would have a hard time getting in and discovering WHO the address really belongs to.

UNLESS someone used the same password on the Lifestyle Lounge as they used on yahoo. That might allow someone to get into your yahoo E-mail account and get the original E-Mail address. This is assuming the Lifestyle Lounge letter issue is an inside job.

Once you buy a paid membership to any site then they have all of your personal data (as necessary to accept your credit card payment), until you do that, the only personal data any site should have is your email address (this goes back to a recent thread I started about sites asking for too much info on a free membership).

That said, someone mentioned a good hacker getting in and getting all your info. Lifestyle Lounge uses CCBill for their billing (A third party processor) so they don't keep all that info in their own files. LL SHOULD NOT have your personal contact data (real name, address, etc). I'm not saying they don't, I don't know if they collect that info separately or not, but they SHOULDN'T have it.

That said, if someone has gone through LL and connected people's personally identifiable info to their profiles, it would most likely have to be someone who has access to CCBill's info (and I do know they are pretty secure). I am aware of at least one other time when CCBill has been attacked by a pissed off past employee. If that is the case I would be worried about more than just your swinger info showing up where you don't want it, I'd be worried about whether or not they also gained access to your credit card info.

Those who are paid members on LL would probably know better than the rest of us what info they collect. Do they ask you for your real name? I've seen several swinger sites doing this on free memberships (and it really bothers me for this reason). Most of these sites require your zip code in order to help you find people close to you. If someone has your real name and your zip code they could easily get your address. In which case, it could easily be someone at LL (or an ex-employee), or at that point even a good hack job.

[GerdOEvert]

Some more thoughts on exposure.

1. Our club was a big club, and for all I know the pharmacist could have been there as a participant. You don't pay much attention to your pharmacist, except when you take a prescription to him/her. In this case it was a him.

2. The second was more disturbing, since it was used as leverage in a civil law matter between a number of people. I frankly did not acknowledge either of them, but knew they both had me by the short and curlies.

3. Later, it seemed apparent that some of the community group got wind of the participation in the "lifestyle" and made some decisions and assumptions on that basis.


The club where we partied was a 20 - 30 miles from our community, but that is not so far in a metro area.

Now, for the bible folks. If you read the first part of the Old Testament, where a lot of rules for living are spelled out, you will see that the kind of fooling around that we do in the lifestyle is definitely condemned. No ifs, ands, buts or maybes. It is clearly written that it should not be done. I don't happen to have chapter and verse, but could get it. Surprised me when I found it one day in a bible study.

As you can see from Eileen and my postings, we enjoy good sex, and have. But there is a cost. It does surprise me that someone would go to the trouble of getting a profile and mailing it out. If that does happen, it might be worth a trip to a lawyer to see what can be done.

Otto & Eileen

[L&R]

It does surprise me that someone would go to the trouble of getting a profile and mailing it out. If that does happen, it might be worth a trip to a lawyer to see what can be done.

R: I might be mistaken, but anything you put out "here" on the internet...is considered fare public use. Unless you copyright it first? Don't know exactly how you would go about "sueing" someone without it going to court<<which there too would be public.

[intuition897]

Originally Posted by txduo2000

I will tell ya ... if Mrs. Intuition decides to get in on this particular subject, SHE has wonderfully insightful and eloquent information to share from her point of view!

lol Don't get me started. I'm still reeling over the literary thrashing I recently received on a "Christian" message board. The atmosphere there feels like walking into a deep freezer. ...And I didn't even mention anything remotely about swinging! I just voiced my opinion of things, which apparently is blasphemous to do. I was told I was dwelling too much on whe I thought and not enough on what God thought. This was a board for "serious" bible study, not a place to voice an opinion. Say what? I'm not sure what their "study" involves, but I get the feeling it's a whole lot of memorization and reading by rote. And heaven forbid anyone form an opinion about what they just read, or question it!

Although it's kinda fun to poke them with a stick and make them mad, it's not nice. It's like trying to talk to a brick wall anyway. They seem very happy with their neuroses, so I'll leave them to it. I know we must seem like a sad bunch to them, but the feeling is MUTUAL!

[VegasLee]

VegasLee defense. Hell, I like that!

The Real VegasLee defense would be something I borrowed from Judge Judy.

"The Truth shall set you free!"

BTW..... NOTHING on the net is "public domain" unless it is stated that it is public domain. When you write something, or publish something you have the copyright on it as soon as it is written. Depending on what it is how long that copyright is good for. Some things the life of the author, other things can be the life of the author plus 75 years. Same with pictures, video and art.

Unless it is stated that it is Public Domain, it is copyrighted and you don't have to file for a copyright with the government. You do have more rights if you file for a copyright though.

[L&R]

Originally Posted by VegasLee

VegasLee defense. Hell, I like that!

The Real VegasLee defense would be something I borrowed from Judge Judy.

"The Truth shall set you free!"

BTW..... NOTHING on the net is "public domain" unless it is stated that it is public domain. When you write something, or publish something you have the copyright on it as soon as it is written. Depending on what it is how long that copyright is good for. Some things the life of the author, other things can be the life of the author plus 75 years. Same with pictures, video and art.

Unless it is stated that it is Public Domain, it is copyrighted and you don't have to file for a copyright with the government. You do have more rights if you file for a copyright though.

Thanks for setting me straight, I just went and researched it. It's my other favorite site which calls everything I post there...the Public Domain. By the way you know what we post here becomes the property of: WEBZ PLUS INC
© Swingers Board.com and all text within is protected under all copyright laws. No text or images may be copied from this site without express permission from Webz Plus Inc

[ItTakes3]

Originally Posted by GerdOEvert

Some more thoughts on exposure.

Now, for the bible folks. If you read the first part of the Old Testament, where a lot of rules for living are spelled out, you will see that the kind of fooling around that we do in the lifestyle is definitely condemned. No ifs, ands, buts or maybes. It is clearly written that it should not be done. I don't happen to have chapter and verse, but could get it. Surprised me when I found it one day in a bible study.

There are numerous conflicting chapters and verses in the bible and other religous tomes, but the faith being trashed was Christianity, which didn't arrive until the New Testament.

My point was to focus the criticism where it belongs. Someone played a rotten trick. They made a personal decision to interfere in another person's life and lifestyle. It was not the Christian faith.

[VegasLee]

Originally Posted by L&R

Thanks for setting me straight, I just went and researched it. It's my other favorite site which calls everything I post there...the Public Domain. By the way you know what we post here becomes the property of: WEBZ PLUS INC
© Swingers Board.com and all text within is protected under all copyright laws. No text or images may be copied from this site without express permission from Webz Plus Inc

Yes, that is right. WEBZ PLUS INC. is the publisher. You are just the writer. Like at a news paper. The Company has the copyright to protect the content, not the writer. That is also why many boards do not like or want people "cutting and pasting" posts from one board to another.

[Chicup]

We are on LL and the website itself does not have our address. The only place it could be from IMHO is the credit card processing company (LL does not store them). Not everyone who got the mail had attended outside parties etc, so thats the only weak link left in my book.

Also some people got the wrong profile sent to them which makes me think its someone with a list of addresses trying to guess. If you were the only couple in a certain area they would just assume. If not they would guess.

All were sent from the same location in southern california, all read the same, and so far thats about all anyone knows.

We don't have any nude photos and our address doesn't quite match so I'm not worried.

[wiscpl]

We will be following this closely. We had a trail period on LL but did not continue. We were just getting ready to renew our membership when we happened across this thread. Hopefully things get cleared up because we saw some facelick profiles on there.

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by L&R

R: I might be mistaken, but anything you put out "here" on the internet...is considered fare public use. Unless you copyright it first? Don't know exactly how you would go about "sueing" someone without it going to court<<which there too would be public.

Ditto VegasLee on this one, in addition, MOST sites with a membership area have their own policies as to what is allowed/ not allowed in regards to their content. In most cases, personals sites like that have it in their TOS what exactly is allowed, and often state that profiles are not to be reprinted, taken off the site, etc.

Originally Posted by chicup

Also some people got the wrong profile sent to them which makes me think its someone with a list of addresses trying to guess. If you were the only couple in a certain area they would just assume. If not they would guess.

Does LL have your real name? Or rather do they ask for it (Just because they ask for it doesn't mean you gave it, but if they do ask for it, some will give it). If they ask for it, and they have your zip code, this could easily explain the above and I would say that yes, it is connected to LL (at that point), because then whoever is doing it WOULD be guessing about who they go to, they would most likely be trying to match names and zip codes and typically within a zip code there may be more than one person with the same name, not to mention how many use a different zip code on ad sites than what they really live in (for a variety of reasons).

[Chicup]

Originally Posted by JustAskJulie

Does LL have your real name? Or rather do they ask for it (Just because they ask for it doesn't mean you gave it, but if they do ask for it, some will give it). If they ask for it, and they have your zip code, this could easily explain the above and I would say that yes, it is connected to LL (at that point), because then whoever is doing it WOULD be guessing about who they go to, they would most likely be trying to match names and zip codes and typically within a zip code there may be more than one person with the same name, not to mention how many use a different zip code on ad sites than what they really live in (for a variety of reasons).

They don't ask for it. The only place your real name shows up is paying by credit card which is handled by an outside company. Now they COULD have it and just by lying, but I dont' think that is the case.

Thats why I think its somehow related to the credit cards, though there may well be another common link.

[JustAskJulie]

Originally Posted by Chicup

They don't ask for it. The only place your real name shows up is paying by credit card which is handled by an outside company. Now they COULD have it and just by lying, but I dont' think that is the case.

Thats why I think its somehow related to the credit cards, though there may well be another common link.

It's been so long since I used CCBill as a merchant, I honestly can't remember if site owners get that info or not.

[curiousagain]

Originally Posted by GerdOEvert

2. Some months later, a woman attorney, who was working on a civil case in which we were involved, threated to expose our "social habits".

Otto & Eileen

That pisses me off.

The next time a lawyer ask you something like that ask them if they are threatening you.
A lawyers only real power is people are afraid of them. Some of them need to learn to be afraid of you. I had one screwing me over (it's a long story I won't go into here). When I spoke to him about it he said "There's nothing you can do to stop it". I called the presiding Judge's secretary and told her what was going on, and I would either talk to the Judge or the Newspaper in one hour. The Judge called me in less than 20 minutes. He wound up forcing the lawyer to reimburse me and removed him from the case.

If y'all find out who did this I hope you make sure he/she/they regret it for the rest of their natural life.